Trade Ideas for This Season

[ForeverRDjazz]

The package I'd want for Donovan...

Jazz receive: Obi Toppin, Miles McBride, Quentin Grimes, Evan Fouriner 2023 1st (NYK), 2023 1st (DAL), 2025 1st (NYK), 2025 1st (MIL), 2027 1st (NYK), 2029 1st (NYK)

if you received 4 unprotected 1st from knicks,
that is same as gobert haul and would only be privy to the worst players and salary fillers the knicks could afford.
Not 1 playable asset would be included in the deal other than salary filler.

Oh how cute, an unintelligent Knicks fan.

I'd tell them to piss up a rope. Danny A will get good players back with picks for Mitchell. Anything else we just keep Mitchell.

[stitches]

The package I'd want for Donovan...

Jazz receive: Obi Toppin, Miles McBride, Quentin Grimes, Evan Fouriner 2023 1st (NYK), 2023 1st (DAL), 2025 1st (NYK), 2025 1st (MIL), 2027 1st (NYK), 2029 1st (NYK)

if you received 4 unprotected 1st from knicks,
that is same as gobert haul and would only be privy to the worst players and salary fillers the knicks could afford.
Not 1 playable asset would be included in the deal other than salary filler.

Why is that? The Jazz actually got players that are actual assets - Walker Kessler who was just drafted in R1, Bolmaro who was drafted in R1 last year, Vanderbilt who many think is worth a 1st, Beverley who the Jazz will very likely flip for picks too. I guess Beasley is somewhat similar to an Evan Foournier in value... hard to tell what he can fetch, but we can keep him and try to rehab his value if he doesn't have positive value.

My point is - you are undervaluing what hte Jazz got for Gobert. You can argue they got the equivalent of 8 firsts+a swap.

If the Knicks had to make the same type of offer IMO it would have to be something like:
- NYK 2023, 2025, 2027 unprotected (equivalent to what MIN gave us)
- NYK 2029 top 5 protected (equivalent to what MIN gave us)
- Pick swap 2026(equivalent to what MIN gave us)
- DAL 2023 pick(equivalent to no. 22 pick in this year's draft)
- Grimes+McBride(equivalent to Vanderbilt and Bolmaro in the MIN trade)
- Fournier and/or Rose(equivalent to Beasley and Beverley) ... this is generous on my part because I think we can actually flip Beverley for an asset.

And That's not to say it will even be enough. By all indications the Jazz want MORE for Mitchell than they did for Gobert.

[bearadonisdna]

The package I'd want for Donovan...

Jazz receive: Obi Toppin, Miles McBride, Quentin Grimes, Evan Fouriner 2023 1st (NYK), 2023 1st (DAL), 2025 1st (NYK), 2025 1st (MIL), 2027 1st (NYK), 2029 1st (NYK)

if you received 4 unprotected 1st from knicks,
that is same as gobert haul and would only be privy to the worst players and salary fillers the knicks could afford.
Not 1 playable asset would be included in the deal other than salary filler.

Why is that? The Jazz actually got players that are actual assets - Walker Kessler who was just drafted in R1, Bolmaro who was drafted in R1 last year, Vanderbilt who many think is worth a 1st, Beverley who the Jazz will very likely flip for picks too. I guess Beasley is somewhat similar to an Evan Foournier in value... hard to tell what he can fetch, but we can keep him and try to rehab his value if he doesn't have positive value.

My point is - you are undervaluing what hte Jazz got for Gobert. You can argue they got the equivalent of 8 firsts+a swap.

If the Knicks had to make the same type of offer IMO it would have to be something like:
- NYK 2023, 2025, 2027 unprotected (equivalent to what MIN gave us)
- NYK 2029 top 5 protected (equivalent to what MIN gave us)
- Pick swap 2026(equivalent to what MIN gave us)
- DAL 2023 pick(equivalent to no. 22 pick in this year's draft)
- Grimes+McBride(equivalent to Vanderbilt and Bolmaro in the MIN trade)
- Fournier and/or Rose(equivalent to Beasley and Beverley) ... this is generous on my part because I think we can actually flip Beverley for an asset.

And That's not to say it will even be enough. By all indications the Jazz want MORE for Mitchell than they did for Gobert.

Well it’s clearer to me now that Knicks would have to send back playable just due to salary matching and it seems Ainge wants the youth package over the Fournier/ Drose package.

That being said there is no way Knicks are looking to give more for Mitchell than you got from Gobert .
4 NYK unprotected is not anything anybody is willing to do.

[bearadonisdna]

There’s a good chance there’s a deal done already according to reports and it’s being stalked to allow expansion.

Right now the comfortability in pick compensation lies at :
2 NYK unprotected
1 Milwaukee unprotected
2 2023 protected 1st from other teams
Obi -1st rounder
Quickley -1st rounder
Grimes -1st rounder
McBride
Fournier -Servicable SF starter

That’s still a haul but Knicks CANT send the farm because they aren’t ready to contention yet and can’t kick the debt can down the road too far.

We’ll see how it goes , I think both our GMs are smart and likely find a deal that’s fair to both sides.
My package above is it doable in a vacuum ? Don’t only compared to Gobert trade but what is fair nba value.

[AingesBurner]

There’s a good chance there’s a deal done already according to reports and it’s being stalked to allow expansion.

Right now the comfortability in pick compensation lies at :
2 NYK unprotected
1 Milwaukee unprotected
2 2023 protected 1st from other teams
Obi -1st rounder
Quickley -1st rounder
Grimes -1st rounder
McBride
Fournier -Servicable SF starter

That’s still a haul but Knicks CANT send the farm because they aren’t ready to contention yet and can’t kick the debt can down the road too far.

We’ll see how it goes , I think both our GMs are smart and likely find a deal that’s fair to both sides.
My package above is it doable in a vacuum ? Don’t only compared to Gobert trade but what is fair nba value.

Links?

[bearadonisdna]

There’s a good chance there’s a deal done already according to reports and it’s being stalked to allow expansion.

Right now the comfortability in pick compensation lies at :
2 NYK unprotected
1 Milwaukee unprotected
2 2023 protected 1st from other teams
Obi -1st rounder
Quickley -1st rounder
Grimes -1st rounder
McBride
Fournier -Servicable SF starter

That’s still a haul but Knicks CANT send the farm because they aren’t ready to contention yet and can’t kick the debt can down the road too far.

We’ll see how it goes , I think both our GMs are smart and likely find a deal that’s fair to both sides.
My package above is it doable in a vacuum ? Don’t only compared to Gobert trade but what is fair nba value.

Links?

found it on the knicks board. also reports this thing is stalled so its probably the latter.
according to woj which is probably the higher most source.

Watch on YouTube

6:00 minute mark for woj and jazz, otherwise if i come across the other report i mentioned in the megathread ill come back around to link you,

[SoCalJazzFan]

Knicks- Russell Westbrook, Donovan Mitchell
Lakers- Gay, Rose, Fournier, Randle
Jazz- Grimes, THT, Toppin, Quickley, McBride, five 1sts (Laker pick given to Knicks for doing this deal, at least 2 unprotected Knicks 1sts, and two other 1sts).

Works out in trade machine.
Jazz would have more than 15 players, so I am not sure how the FO would handle that.
Knicks would need to sign vet minimums to fill out roster and take on RW, but they would have a ton of cap space next summer (which is why we demand Knicks 2023 unprotected 1st).

[dr0welf]

Knicks- Russell Westbrook, Donovan Mitchell
Lakers- Gay, Rose, Fournier, Randle
Jazz- Grimes, THT, Toppin, Quickley, McBride, five 1sts (Laker pick given to Knicks for doing this deal, at least 2 unprotected Knicks 1sts, and two other 1sts).

Works out in trade machine.
Jazz would have more than 15 players, so I am not sure how the FO would handle that.
Knicks would need to sign vet minimums to fill out roster and take on RW, but they would have a ton of cap space next summer (which is why we demand Knicks 2023 unprotected 1st).

What would the Knicks do with Westbrook, Mitchell, and Brunson? Where does Barrett fit into that? If he is supposedly not available on trade then what are the Knicks building? the smallest starting lineup in history? Otherwise who would come off the bench? I don't see any of those 4 willingly do that.

[Rauxcee]

There’s a good chance there’s a deal done already according to reports and it’s being stalked to allow expansion.

Right now the comfortability in pick compensation lies at :
2 NYK unprotected
1 Milwaukee unprotected
2 2023 protected 1st from other teams
Obi -1st rounder
Quickley -1st rounder
Grimes -1st rounder
McBride
Fournier -Servicable SF starter

That’s still a haul but Knicks CANT send the farm because they aren’t ready to contention yet and can’t kick the debt can down the road too far.

We’ll see how it goes , I think both our GMs are smart and likely find a deal that’s fair to both sides.
My package above is it doable in a vacuum ? Don’t only compared to Gobert trade but what is fair nba value.

Honestly I think that is fair IMO, and hopefully something like that will get the deal done.

[dr0welf]

It almost makes since from a Knicks standpoint if we make this a 3 team trade: They need some height and honestly getting Turner from Indiana and Bogie makes more sense to me.

A line up of Brunson, Barrett, Bogie, Randle, Turner would be a decent starting line up in the East. I actually like that for them better then putting DM and Brunson together in the back court.

I don't know what it would take for New York to get Turner but that makes more sense to me.

[Hoops Addict]

I wonder what the Knicks offer is.

I would guess they want to give 4 picks and no great players....also having us take Fournier and getting one player like Grimes or someone not as good.

What do the Knicks want?

For a real tank the Jazz do not want back many great players ( but they could trade them for 1sts) and want more picks then players. New York wants to keep all their good players, so I see a deal like that.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Knicks- Russell Westbrook, Donovan Mitchell
Lakers- Gay, Rose, Fournier, Randle
Jazz- Grimes, THT, Toppin, Quickley, McBride, five 1sts (Laker pick given to Knicks for doing this deal, at least 2 unprotected Knicks 1sts, and two other 1sts).

Works out in trade machine.
Jazz would have more than 15 players, so I am not sure how the FO would handle that.
Knicks would need to sign vet minimums to fill out roster and take on RW, but they would have a ton of cap space next summer (which is why we demand Knicks 2023 unprotected 1st).

What would the Knicks do with Westbrook, Mitchell, and Brunson? Where does Barrett fit into that? If he is supposedly not available on trade then what are the Knicks building? the smallest starting lineup in history? Otherwise who would come off the bench? I don't see any of those 4 willingly do that.

They get squeezed financially if they keep Randle and have to extend RJ Barrett to a max, or even large, contract. This is a way for them to unload Randle and have cap space next year. A bit of an experiment/throw away season to set them up for the future. THT could go to Knicks and a player to the Lakers would work too, I think.

[SoCalJazzFan]

It almost makes since from a Knicks standpoint if we make this a 3 team trade: They need some height and honestly getting Turner from Indiana and Bogie makes more sense to me.

A line up of Brunson, Barrett, Bogie, Randle, Turner would be a decent starting line up in the East. I actually like that for them better then putting DM and Brunson together in the back court.

I don't know what it would take for New York to get Turner but that makes more sense to me.

I think that the Jazz are hoping that the Brunson/Mitchell backcourt doesn't pan out. I don't think we want to help the Knicks be any better than have to be.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I wonder what the Knicks offer is.

I would guess they want to give 4 picks and no great players....also having us take Fournier and getting one player like Grimes or someone not as good.

What do the Knicks want?

For a real tank the Jazz do not want back many great players ( but they could trade them for 1sts) and want more picks then players. New York wants to keep all their good players, so I see a deal like that.

This is what I have read.
The Jazz asked for 6 picks and young players, and the Knicks rebuffed that offer.
The Knicks didn't want to include RJ Barrett in the deal and the Jazz were ok with that.
The Jazz have indicated that they don't want Randle as salary filler in the deal, but rather Rose or Fournier.
The Knicks offered 4 of the protected picks from other teams and young players, but the Jazz declined that, instead asking for 4 Knicks unprotected picks.

My guess is that the deal will eventually be young players (at least a combo or all of Grimes, Quickley and Toppin), Rose/Fournier, 2 unprotected Knicks picks and 2-3 protected picks and maybe a pick swap or two. Perhaps a 3rd, or even 4th, team could get involved if they are interested in Rose/Fournier or Randle.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Here's another one where the Lakers are involved (and give the Jazz their future 1st)

Knicks- Mitchell
Lakers- Conley and Randle
Jazz- Westbrook, Grimes, Toppin, Quickley, Lakers future 1st (unprotected), and Knicks pick haul (e.g. at least two NYK unprotected and at least 2-3 additional picks and pick swaps).
(edit: in addition Gay goes to either NYK or LAL)

[pickIBL]

Obviously the talk is around Mitchell. But Rudy Gay also has a player option for 23-24. It would be nice to see his contract off the books. And at 30 Clarkson should probably follow him. He too has a player option I believe.

[Hoops Addict]

I think that the Jazz are hoping that the Brunson/Mitchell backcourt doesn't pan out. I don't think we want to help the Knicks be any better than have to be.[/quote]

Even Knicks fans say they expect hte management to mess up and make a bad trade

The Knicks wont do well with 2 small guards...like the Jazz did. I want their 2 unprotected pics.

[skywalker33]

Feels like you traded the wrong guy, at least Gobert seemed like he wanted to be in Utah. DM has "implied" he wants to be in a bigger (NYK) market, very disrespectful to the team IMO.

[Inigo Montoya]

Feels like you traded the wrong guy, at least Gobert seemed like he wanted to be in Utah. DM has "implied" he wants to be in a bigger (NYK) market, very disrespectful to the team IMO.

We had both and got nowhere. It's time to move on.

[Hoops Addict]

Some speculate Jazz get 7 picks and Fournier. Good deal?