Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4

[TrueWarrior]

While I agree with you, it does need to be said that 3 of those guys essentially came out of nowhere - Kawhi, Curry and Giannis were never expected to be that guy.

so keep the picks and hope to get lucky at 12th or something ? that's not really a plan and more like a prayer . plus i've seen them draft. we kept all the picks for the last 5 years, they were all in the lottery, and we got maybe 1 starter who i won't get even into if he's even worthy of being one

Just keep building, what exactly is the rush at this point? We haven't been good for so long, lets rush into a team build that wont have staying power and wont be a contender, but at least it'll give us 2 second round exits at best.

We have enough picks that one of them is eventually going to hit, I think this front office has done a good job drafting so far. You think the Pacers wish they could take back the George Hill for Kawhi trade?

I just want us to wait until the trade deadline at least. We will know a lot more about our players then hopefully.

I do understand the “just get him” people, but it isn’t the right time when we have so many question marks still. My hunch is we will see more of our player’s values go up this season than down.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If the Warriors are your only example (not a great one), then it’s clear that tanking hasn’t yielded much success.

Spurs? Miami? Cleveland? Lakers? All won chips with a Top 5 draft pick and more. The only exception is really the Bucks.

Just the Spurs. You say top 5 picks but most of them got them through trades. The Heat didn’t really tank and the Cavs did but LeBron didn’t win on the first go around. That’s all you got.

Heat tanked for Wade

[KnicksNext]

And what do you mean by “gaining steam”? Have Woj or Shams confirmed, or just a bunch of slapdicks fishing for clicks?

Bill Simmons is just a slapdick fishing for clicks? I think he's popular enough by now to not need Knicks clicks.

You guys really think Orlando has no chance here? Their youth crushes ours, and their 1st are just as valuable.

Yes he is. What if I told you he also suggested Charlotte, Sacramento and Denver trade for Donovan. He’s carrying water for Ainge and preying on anxiety filled fans like you. It always works on a percentage of people. Always

If you say so. Sounds like you have more contacts than Simmons.

[rajajackal]

if we got a third team involved, do you think ainge would trade donovan mitchell for capspace + 5 1sts?

[KnixinSix]

None of the all-time greats are coming here unless you already have a good core. That would be the hope with Mitchell. Maybe other stars would eventually want to team up if he is here already and then you figure out a way to do it. That is why the price is steep, but may be worth it if we can pull off the right moves afterwards.

If RJ turns out to be something than yeah this could be the makings of a good core. Randle is likely to be something of the last 5 years not including last years hopefully aberration. If you look at his numbers he is close to a 50% FG player as a secondary scorer and 18-20pt player. That is an excellent 2 or 3 option to Mitchell if he cuts down on Iso stuff and focuses on better shot selection and defense (which I think he will).

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/randlju01.html

In the right role he will be right around 50% FG and able to hit a 3 too. That will be a very very good player to complement what we have.

[3toheadmelo]

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Don’t know who this is but take it with a grain of salt.

[Deeeez Knicks]

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Don’t know who this is but take it with a grain of salt.

If this is accurate ....language like this USUALLY means much of the framework of the deal has been agreed to with a minor piece or two needing to be tweaked/ironed out. If they are both pushing hard we could see this happen pretty soon. Again we are assuming this is actually credible info here.

All these twitter guys just seem to be saying the same things and copying each other. They are all just reading the tea leaves that a deal is close and playing it off that they have sources

[stitches]

Jazz fan here - NONE of those are reliable sources for information on the Jazz - bigmike, Monty show, Jazz notes... NONE OF THEM. They are all throwing **** at the wall and hoping something sticks so they can claim victory after.

[Gravy]

I’m just jealous of Detroit. Here we are talking about giving up our youth plus damn near all of our future picks for a non-superstar player, while Detroit did it right and has all their picks plus Cade, Ivey, Duren, and Bey.

Why is this so hard for us to do? We should have Ivey & Duren

Is Cade, Ivey, Duren, and Bey the same amount of talent as Donovan Mitchell, RJ, Brunson, and Mitch? In the end thats all that matters whether we drafted or signed them.

I think you’re overlooking something pretty significant. Who are we trading for Mitchell? If that costs us Obi, IQ, Grimes etc, that’s a big loss. But more importantly, who will these picks we trade turn into? We’d have to wait years to see what we really lost/could have had, and it could end up badly.

But I’d much rather have Cade, Ivey, Duren, and Bey over Donovan, Brunson, RJ, and Mitch. Duren already is displaying high level passing ability, versatility, and dominance in the paint at just 18 years old (yeah I know it’s just summer league), and Ivey looks like he’s got sure fire star potential, as does Cade. Bey is a perfect 3rd/4th option for them too. Plus they still have all their own picks.

It’s not just about these 4 vs those 4… but what else they’re capable of adding there. Not to mention all their cap space after this year… we’ve seen how they can land lotto picks just from taking bad contracts that only have 1 year left on them. Plus all their guys are on rookie contracts for many years to come. We’re freaking out about RJ’s extension, Mitch’s 15 mil per year, and the overpay for Brunson.

If a magic genie came and offered to swap their players and pick & cap situation for ours, I’d do it in a nanosecond.

The only difference is we started "tanking" earlier than they did. If we picked Donovan Mitchell instead of Frank then we would have the same contract he is on now, we also had the KP contract we could have given up for Brunson instead of DSJ and we are in the same place as today(when we get Mitchell). We tanked for RJ now yall scared of paying him. Picks and Rookies are loved until its time to pay up.

You cant keep tanking forever, eventually you have to pay these guys and go into the playoffs and struggle like everyone else. Maybe Detroit becomes a championship contender or maybe they are a 2nd round exit like Philly. There will always be a new young team with infinite picks everybody wishes we were. A few years ago it was the Wolves/Bulls now its OKC/Orl/Det. Before that it was us

[Deeeez Knicks]

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Don’t know who this is but take it with a grain of salt.

Looks like hes trying to sell me a used car with 200,000 miles on it

[KnicksNext]

https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-wojnarowski-donovan-mitchell-trade-155813385.html

I haven't read this thread so I'm sure this was posted, but this is what I thought was interesting. If the Jazz are not in a hurry, that's because there are multiple teams they're talking to. Watch the Knicks lose Mitchell after all of this..

[3toheadmelo]

This ain’t happening anytime soon. F big mike. F elizah huge.

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[Knox]

https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-wojnarowski-donovan-mitchell-trade-155813385.html

I haven't read this thread so I'm sure this was posted, but this is what I thought was interesting. If the Jazz are not in a hurry, that's because there are multiple teams they're talking to. Watch the Knicks lose Mitchell after all of this..

Look at the nets, they went all on two great talents like Durant and Kyrie (not my favorite players but they can ball). They went all in and our in big trouble if they don’t get Max value for their talent. I don’t want the Knicks making the same mistake. Especially with two pieces that don’t really fit

[Zenzibar]

Read on Twitter

Don’t know who this is but take it with a grain of salt.

If this is accurate ....language like this USUALLY means much of the framework of the deal has been agreed to with a minor piece or two needing to be tweaked/ironed out. If they are both pushing hard we could see this happen pretty soon. Again we are assuming this is actually credible info here.

What the guy is missing is that Utah is not firm about not receiving RJ, it's the Knicks are not budging on packaging all these youths: Obi, IQ, Grimes.

RJ is not and never was on the table for the Knicks.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-wojnarowski-donovan-mitchell-trade-155813385.html

I haven't read this thread so I'm sure this was posted, but this is what I thought was interesting. If the Jazz are not in a hurry, that's because there are multiple teams they're talking to. Watch the Knicks lose Mitchell after all of this..

Look at the nets, they went all on two great talents like Durant and Kyrie (not my favorite players but they can ball). They went all in and our in big trouble if they don’t get Max value for their talent. I don’t want the Knicks making the same mistake. Especially with two pieces that don’t really fit

And they owe 7 more picks to the Rockets for the Harden trade it's already paying too cause Tari Eason was the first of their pick package due. The Nets could have used a 6'8" athletic forward, and an all-star center, that's just the opening salvo of what they lost.

[mpharris36]

This ain’t happening anytime soon. F big mike. F elizah huge.

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The longer it goes the better deal the knicks will get though.

If we agreed to Ainge' terms right now we would get taken to the woodshed. The longer this goes and once they see there is no one offering what we can offer we can at least get back to talking about a reasonable deal that works for both parties.

Right now Ainge is saying "this is what we need to get a deal done"

Knicks are saying this is what we are willing to give up.

Either the Jazz keep him and run the risk of getting him upset or they come back to the table with the Knicks.

[whocares1]

Spurs? Miami? Cleveland? Lakers? All won chips with a Top 5 draft pick and more. The only exception is really the Bucks.

Just the Spurs. You say top 5 picks but most of them got them through trades. The Heat didn’t really tank and the Cavs did but LeBron didn’t win on the first go around. That’s all you got.

Heat tanked for Wade

They literally had Lebron, Kyrie and trade a number one pick for Love and he still doesn’t think tanking helps.

Some people can’t be helped.

[iLLmatic860]

We will give Utah 5 or 6 picks, only if we keep Rj, Obi and Iq. If they can't accept that SO BE IT. If its not gonna make us a championship contender immediately, whats the rush anyways

Ainge tryna play us. Lets just make their life a living hell and get CAA involved

[Deeeez Knicks]

None of the all-time greats are coming here unless you already have a good core. That would be the hope with Mitchell. Maybe other stars would eventually want to team up if he is here already and then you figure out a way to do it. That is why the price is steep, but may be worth it if we can pull off the right moves afterwards.

If RJ turns out to be something than yeah this could be the makings of a good core. Randle is likely to be something of the last 5 years not including last years hopefully aberration. If you look at his numbers he is close to a 50% FG player as a secondary scorer and 18-20pt player. That is an excellent 2 or 3 option to Mitchell if he cuts down on Iso stuff and focuses on better shot selection and defense (which I think he will).

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/randlju01.html

In the right role he will be right around 50% FG and able to hit a 3 too. That will be a very very good player to complement what we have.

If RJ could develop as a legit #2 or #3 that would go a long ways. Next year will be big for him.

I am just not sold on Randle as a good complimentary piece and would move him. Not sure the Knicks will be able to do that so just have to hope he can get it together

[knicksstuff]

Basically what I got from the Woj report is that the Jazz know where the Knicks lie in terms of what they are willing to give up. my guess is taht there are a couple deals on the table one with more players / less picks and vice versa. Jazz are now going to go out and see waht other teams are offering and then will circle back around to the knicks if nothing else is enticing and come to an agreement. This will take 1-2 weeks.