Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4

[Knox]

Basically what I got from the Woj report is that the Jazz know where the Knicks lie in terms of what they are willing to give up. my guess is taht there are a couple deals on the table one with more players / less picks and vice versa. Jazz are now going to go out and see waht other teams are offering and then will circle back around to the knicks if nothing else is enticing and come to an agreement. This will take 1-2 weeks.

Knicks appear to be holding firm. Ainge is going to shop around and try to beat his offer. Hoping the Knicks are playing hardball

[KnicksNext]

https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-wojnarowski-donovan-mitchell-trade-155813385.html

I haven't read this thread so I'm sure this was posted, but this is what I thought was interesting. If the Jazz are not in a hurry, that's because there are multiple teams they're talking to. Watch the Knicks lose Mitchell after all of this..

Look at the nets, they went all on two great talents like Durant and Kyrie (not my favorite players but they can ball). They went all in and our in big trouble if they don’t get Max value for their talent. I don’t want the Knicks making the same mistake. Especially with two pieces that don’t really fit

This is your opinion but not necessarily true. Comparing the Nets to our situation is not really fair. Completely different situations. And Mitchell and Brunson are only 25. Who are we waiting for if Mitchell is not good enough for the Knicks? No one seems to be able to answer this question.

[SARGO127]

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[Clyde_Style]

I agree with this but I think if Obi is shipped out it wouldnt be that bad..... I think a lot of Randles issues last year were due to the fact that eery game he had to hear the crowd chant for his backup to come in

Randle's issues are deeper than that and won't be resolved by removing Obi. He'll still be the same self-absorbed brat. If anything, the issues of sharing the spotlight will only get worse with DM and Brunson stealing his thunder. The man is not built for prime time and belongs in a smaller market.

Obi is all prime-time. He feeds off the pressure and is made for the spotlight. It is freaking amazing how many Knicks fans underestimate his star potential. I'm pretty fed up at the rubbish talent evaluation going on here

oh im 100% with you on Obi .... he makes the players around him better we saw that to end the year and he did the same in college

It's sad how literal minded most fans are. They actually cannot see how Obi will optimize the talent around him while his talent will now be optimized with superior PG facilitation. He is our Shawn Marion. Letting him go would be so fcking stupid

[Gravy]

These tweets are starting to sound like they were written by A.I.

"The Knicks and Jazz will resume talks sometime soon. The Knicks want Donovan Mitchell, the Jazz want to get a package of picks and young players. The Jazz have spoken to other teams. Other teams would like to have the Donovan Mitchell as well."

[Knox]

https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-wojnarowski-donovan-mitchell-trade-155813385.html

I haven't read this thread so I'm sure this was posted, but this is what I thought was interesting. If the Jazz are not in a hurry, that's because there are multiple teams they're talking to. Watch the Knicks lose Mitchell after all of this..

Look at the nets, they went all on two great talents like Durant and Kyrie (not my favorite players but they can ball). They went all in and our in big trouble if they don’t get Max value for their talent. I don’t want the Knicks making the same mistake. Especially with two pieces that don’t really fit

This is your opinion but not necessarily true. Comparing the Nets to our situation is not really fair. Completely different situations. And Mitchell and Brunson are only 25. Who are we waiting for if Mitchell is not good enough for the Knicks? No one seems to be able to answer this question.

When a featured backcourt of two 6’1. Consistently get to the finals and win it . I will change my opinion. It’s worse because we can go all in on two talents that aren’t on the same level as Kyrie or Durant. There is no way to slice that Brunson and Mitchell are on the same tier as Kyrie and Durant. To invest all on something that isn’t on their level doesn’t seem like a good buy to me

[Fury]

Just the Spurs. You say top 5 picks but most of them got them through trades. The Heat didn’t really tank and the Cavs did but LeBron didn’t win on the first go around. That’s all you got.

Heat tanked for Wade

They literally had Lebron, Kyrie and trade a number one pick for Love and he still doesn’t think tanking helps.

Some people can’t be helped.

The Heat tanked for LeBron and it didn’t work. They got lucky Wade, the 5th pick, not top 3, became a superstar.

So one example of tanking for LeBron, who didn’t win ****, left, they tanked like 3 more times, won 1 title after LeBron CAME BACK. No, your example sucks and there aren’t others with the exception of the Spurs tanking over 20 years ago.

[Clyde_Style]

These tweets are starting to sound like they were written by A.I.

"The Knicks and Jazz will resume talks sometime soon. The Knicks want Donovan Mitchell, the Jazz want to get a package of picks and young players. The Jazz have spoken to other teams. Other teams would like to have the Donovan Mitchell as well."

"The Knicks and Jazz resume have will soon. Furby's on sale, ecommerce revolution begins. Ainge makes demands. Fire sale steak knives soon gone buy now Leon Rose. Steak house meeting huddle world wide wes offers 20% tip and seven first round picks. Utah mulls offer. Jello quake at 6.7 on the richter scale reported in Salt Lake City. RealGM fan boards for Jazz and Knicks inter-marry producing novel new virus immune to jello antigen therapy. Biden intercedes, calls Donovan Mitchell for advice. Melo is still fat."

[Clyde_Style]

Look at the nets, they went all on two great talents like Durant and Kyrie (not my favorite players but they can ball). They went all in and our in big trouble if they don’t get Max value for their talent. I don’t want the Knicks making the same mistake. Especially with two pieces that don’t really fit

This is your opinion but not necessarily true. Comparing the Nets to our situation is not really fair. Completely different situations. And Mitchell and Brunson are only 25. Who are we waiting for if Mitchell is not good enough for the Knicks? No one seems to be able to answer this question.

When a featured backcourt of two 6’1. Consistently get to the finals and win it . I will change my opinion. It’s worse because we can go all in on two talents that aren’t on the same level as Kyrie or Durant. There is no way to slice that Brunson and Mitchell are on the same tier as Kyrie and Durant. To invest all on something that isn’t on their level doesn’t seem like a good buy to me

Kyrie being a certifiable psycho does taint the comparison though. KD is KD, but Kyrie is not the sum of his talents.

[Chislic]

These tweets are starting to sound like they were written by A.I.

"The Knicks and Jazz will resume talks sometime soon. The Knicks want Donovan Mitchell, the Jazz want to get a package of picks and young players. The Jazz have spoken to other teams. Other teams would like to have the Donovan Mitchell as well."

[Knox]

This is your opinion but not necessarily true. Comparing the Nets to our situation is not really fair. Completely different situations. And Mitchell and Brunson are only 25. Who are we waiting for if Mitchell is not good enough for the Knicks? No one seems to be able to answer this question.

When a featured backcourt of two 6’1. Consistently get to the finals and win it . I will change my opinion. It’s worse because we can go all in on two talents that aren’t on the same level as Kyrie or Durant. There is no way to slice that Brunson and Mitchell are on the same tier as Kyrie and Durant. To invest all on something that isn’t on their level doesn’t seem like a good buy to me

Kyrie being a certifiable psycho does taint the comparison though. KD is KD, but Kyrie is not the sum of his talents.

As a duo Kyrie and Durant trump Mitchell and Brunson. Yes he is nuts and I am not his biggest fan. But talent wise Brunson and Mitchell are no where near them as a duo. That’s with the Kyrie crazy factored in. To think so would be bias. Better teammate would be Mitchell and Brunson. As of talent no where close, Brunson and Mitchell aren’t on the same planet as Kyrie and Durant

[whocares1]

Heat tanked for Wade

They literally had Lebron, Kyrie and trade a number one pick for Love and he still doesn’t think tanking helps.

Some people can’t be helped.

The Heat tanked for LeBron and it didn’t work. They got lucky Wade, the 5th pick, not top 3, became a superstar.

So one example of tanking for LeBron, who didn’t win ****, left, they tanked like 3 more times, won 1 title after LeBron CAME BACK. No, your example sucks and there aren’t others with the exception of the Spurs tanking over 20 years ago.

At this point you’re a lost cause.

[TrueWarrior]

Randle's issues are deeper than that and won't be resolved by removing Obi. He'll still be the same self-absorbed brat. If anything, the issues of sharing the spotlight will only get worse with DM and Brunson stealing his thunder. The man is not built for prime time and belongs in a smaller market.

Obi is all prime-time. He feeds off the pressure and is made for the spotlight. It is freaking amazing how many Knicks fans underestimate his star potential. I'm pretty fed up at the rubbish talent evaluation going on here

oh im 100% with you on Obi .... he makes the players around him better we saw that to end the year and he did the same in college

It's sad how literal minded most fans are. They actually cannot see how Obi will optimize the talent around him while his talent will now be optimized with superior PG facilitation. He is our Shawn Marion. Letting him go would be so fcking stupid

Many of our players should benefit from Brunson (and DRose if he returns healthy), which is why this trade is premature.

We’re skipping a step before seeing what we have with Brunson, who cooked Mitchell just a few months ago. They will never be an ideal pairing either.

[sol537]

Look at the nets, they went all on two great talents like Durant and Kyrie (not my favorite players but they can ball). They went all in and our in big trouble if they don’t get Max value for their talent. I don’t want the Knicks making the same mistake. Especially with two pieces that don’t really fit

This is your opinion but not necessarily true. Comparing the Nets to our situation is not really fair. Completely different situations. And Mitchell and Brunson are only 25. Who are we waiting for if Mitchell is not good enough for the Knicks? No one seems to be able to answer this question.

When a featured backcourt of two 6’1. Consistently get to the finals and win it . I will change my opinion. It’s worse because we can go all in on two talents that aren’t on the same level as Kyrie or Durant. There is no way to slice that Brunson and Mitchell are on the same tier as Kyrie and Durant. To invest all on something that isn’t on their level doesn’t seem like a good buy to me

Lowry/FVV & Dumars/Isiah.... not impossible...

[Gravy]

These tweets are starting to sound like they were written by A.I.

"The Knicks and Jazz will resume talks sometime soon. The Knicks want Donovan Mitchell, the Jazz want to get a package of picks and young players. The Jazz have spoken to other teams. Other teams would like to have the Donovan Mitchell as well."

RJ!

[Knox]

This is your opinion but not necessarily true. Comparing the Nets to our situation is not really fair. Completely different situations. And Mitchell and Brunson are only 25. Who are we waiting for if Mitchell is not good enough for the Knicks? No one seems to be able to answer this question.

When a featured backcourt of two 6’1. Consistently get to the finals and win it . I will change my opinion. It’s worse because we can go all in on two talents that aren’t on the same level as Kyrie or Durant. There is no way to slice that Brunson and Mitchell are on the same tier as Kyrie and Durant. To invest all on something that isn’t on their level doesn’t seem like a good buy to me

Lowry/FVV & Dumars/Isiah.... not impossible...

How convenient you don’t mention FVV and Lowry had Kawhi Leonard lol. Maybe Randle takes that leap next year. Dumars and Isiah, it’s a different game
different era. You went way back to the 80’s and 90’s. It’s 2022 man, the game is completely different now.

[Fury]

They literally had Lebron, Kyrie and trade a number one pick for Love and he still doesn’t think tanking helps.

Some people can’t be helped.

The Heat tanked for LeBron and it didn’t work. They got lucky Wade, the 5th pick, not top 3, became a superstar.

So one example of tanking for LeBron, who didn’t win ****, left, they tanked like 3 more times, won 1 title after LeBron CAME BACK. No, your example sucks and there aren’t others with the exception of the Spurs tanking over 20 years ago.

At this point you’re a lost cause.

You have 1 and a half examples. I have the Raptors, Warriors, Mavs, Lakers, Bucks, Heat, Celtics and Pistons. But keep acting like you don’t understand.

[stuporman]

Talent wins in the NBA but they don't award wins just based on talent, teams win even though it's talented teams that do.

[Knox]

Talent wins in the NBA but they don't award wins just based on talent, teams win even though it's talented teams that do.

I would like to build off of that
Talented teams with pieces that compliment each other help win games as well.

[DOT]

This ain’t happening anytime soon. F big mike. F elizah huge.

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The longer it goes the better deal the knicks will get though.

If we agreed to Ainge' terms right now we would get taken to the woodshed. The longer this goes and once they see there is no one offering what we can offer we can at least get back to talking about a reasonable deal that works for both parties.

Right now Ainge is saying "this is what we need to get a deal done"

Knicks are saying this is what we are willing to give up.

Either the Jazz keep him and run the risk of getting him upset or they come back to the table with the Knicks.

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I think this is how it's going, too

There's really no pressure on the Knicks to get a deal done, at least not in the immediate future. Even if we start off poorly, Leon and co. are just gonna put all the blame on Thibs and fire him, get another year to turn it around. If that happens, then they might be under pressure to get a star, but that's a year off

Ainge is under more pressure to get a deal done, cause he wants to kickstart his rebuild, not have a mediocre year with D Mitch, cause I don't think his trade value is gonna get much higher than right now

Hence, we really don't have to meet him at his price, we just have to offer more than the next team, which we can easily do

Now, it's possible that we blink first, we are the Knicks after all, but I think if we were gonna do so, we would've done it already.