Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4

[Knox]

Stein jsut reported in his newletter that he heard in Vegas that IF Leon successfully trades for Donovan Mitchell look for the Knicks to enter West brook trade talks to get away from Randle

Now we’re talkin.

Trade Julius for Westbrook or Hayward regardless of Mitchell lol.

Knicks could get some draft picks for sure.

[Chanel Bomber]

The thing I've been thinking about is... there is a REALLY simple way for the Knicks to make Barrett truly untouchable. And this is also the way to act if you actually value him at the level of an untouchable asset - give him the max.. NOW! You give him the max now and he's off the table automatically. But that's not what the Knicks are doing. Why? What's going on in New York?

Would’ve rather traded RJ to Sac for Ivey, but if it’s for Mitchell, then there better be a serious reduction in picks being added and no other young core players. Just give Grimes the starting spot at sf in place of RJ.

That's the vision.

You include RJ - and his future extension which carries a significant risk of becoming a liability - specifically to save some of your draft capital, so you have a safety net in case the Donovan Mitchell trade backfires. And you then plug Grimes in the RJ role.

Of course, none of this matters if Ainge doesn't value RJ, or for less than 1-2 unprotected Knicks firsts. I don't know where he stands on that.

[DaGawd]

Stein jsut reported in his newletter that he heard in Vegas that IF Leon successfully trades for Donovan Mitchell look for the Knicks to enter West brook trade talks to get away from Randle

I can get behind that if we plan on releasing him after trade

[thebuzzardman]

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Don’t know who this is but take it with a grain of salt.

I'm a little behind because I'm trying to ignore the thread, but of course can't, so apologies if this already done, but:

[Knicksrule2k4]

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[Chislic]

Edit: Knicksrule2k4 beat me to the tweet.

[TrueWarrior]

I just got this bad feeling (Isiah Thomas vibes) Grimes is gonna become the goated knick of all time but we traded him away in year 2

dead ass

I can see Grimes ending up like a SG Trevor Ariza, who as we know Isiah traded for Steve Francis to pair with Marbury lol. Went on to win a ring for the Lakers. A solid 2 way starter that any team would like. If he becomes more than that then awesome, but thats still somebody Id like to hang onto.

[snadler]

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Is this a press conference? Or just an msg special, if a press conference don’t expect a Mitchell trade any time soon

[thebuzzardman]

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Don’t know who this is but take it with a grain of salt.

It's Monty

Pick a Door # 1, 2 or 3

[Fury]

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Wth does this even mean

[spree8]

We certainly aren't going to accept all of Ainge' terms...whether or not we meet in the middle or just hold out to what we are comfortable with is yet to be seen. If we meet halfway we still have a better package anyone else after Mitchell.

But I do think the knicks are comfortable with 4-5 1st rounders and a young player or 2. What I don't think the knicks are comfortable with (and they shouldn't be) is 6 1st rounders and all the young players.

Logic would suggest 5 1st rounders (3 of our own unprotected) + 2 others + Grimes + contract fillers should get it done if you are comparing all the other offers out there. That gets ainge more than the Gobert haul so he can save face and we get Mitch and don't move all of our moving pieces to eventually build up for a follow up move over the next couple years.

The thought of 3 unprotected Knicks 1st’s (23’, 25’, 27’) is beyond disgusting. Ugh, please stop speaking this into existence.

its really isn't for the going rate for a top 15-20 player in the sport under team control.

It absolutely is. I keep comparing it to Harden to Bk. Nets gave up 3 firsts and 4 swaps and got another (late) 1st for Allen. They gave up these firsts for a superstar player bro… top 8-10 at the time and an All-Time top sg. Mitchell is hardly top 20 in the league right now and barely a top 5 sg right now, forget All-Time.

Plus, Bk had KD & Kyrie to go with Harden, so losing those picks didn’t mean squat because they (like everyone else) believed that team was championship level. We are not even close to that and Mitchell doesn’t bring us there either so losing those 1st’s is not even close to comparable to Bk losing them.

I’ve mentioned before about Windhorst sounding this alarm about how Ainge set the market for inflated star player pricing… it’s bullshyt. Ripping off one desperate team doesn’t set anything. It was what it was. It doesn’t mean we have to beat that price. Instead, compare it to other trades like Harden’s that are truly reflective of the market (like the AD trade too), and then adjust accordingly.

Mitchell isn’t worth this haul, and to top it all off, if you wanna talk market, then WE are the market. Nobody else can pay anything close or anything of interest to Ainge. So like everyone is saying, why bid against ourselves and pay this bullshyt “new market price”. It’s a sucker move and if we haven’t learned from our history of giving away unprotected 1st’s for non-superstar players, then I guess we’re gunna learn again soon. A move like that will destroy us like it has before, like we lost out on Hayward (could’ve been PG), Aldridge, Jamal Murray, and Noah all from unprotected picks being traded.

[evevale]

The thing I've been thinking about is... there is a REALLY simple way for the Knicks to make Barrett truly untouchable. And this is also the way to act if you actually value him at the level of an untouchable asset - give him the max.. NOW! You give him the max now and he's off the table automatically. But that's not what the Knicks are doing. Why? What's going on in New York?

i think the real question is - what's going on in utah ...

donovan/clarkson
conley/pbev
bojan/beasley
vandy/gay
whiteside/kessler

is the aston martin of treadmills ... what's the plan for you guys? how realistic is it to move all those vets and restructure your roster into something that resembles the tanker trash other franchises will be fielding next season in their quest for wemby?

and i don't think you were trying to flame - that is something lots of knicks fans ponder when the idea of "rj being untouchable" is brought up. he's not an asset we want to buy into fully (yet) however that doesn't mean we are willing to part w/ him especially if the terms aren't reasonable

[DaGawd]

Where would the lakers even use Randle.. pf?

[Knox]

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Wth does this even mean

I am assuming trading him for picks.
Dumping him to a contender or someone making a playoff push. That or outright cutting him. Just a guess

[Knicksrule2k4]

No way the Knicks would keep Westbrook. Can’t have Brunson, Mitchell, Westbrook and RJ. There’s only one ball.

[mpharris36]

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I could see it...the reason being...If you are able to get Brunson and Mitchell locked up.

Maybe you dump Randle/Fournier for Westbrook and a pick or two. Get assets back form the lost assets from the Jazz trade.

Then would also clear 40+ MM in cap space next year to make a run at someone else before locking up RJ as a restricted FA.

[SARGO127]

Why not just do a 3 way?

Randle and Fournier to LAL
Mitchell to NY
1LAL pick, RW and whatever NY assets to UTAH

[DaGawd]

That tweet makes me think this could maybe be a3 way trade with the lakers involved

[snadler]

Where would the lakers even use Randle.. pf?

Yep AD would play center Randle PF

[thebuzzardman]

Stein jsut reported in his newletter that he heard in Vegas that IF Leon successfully trades for Donovan Mitchell look for the Knicks to enter West brook trade talks to get away from Randle

This sounds like BS, because it has the IF qualifier in front of the Mitchell trade.

I don't even know what Stein's rep is now? More of a "for clicks" guy or more even and normal reporting?