Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4

Post #1701 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:20 pm

mpharris36 wrote:this report is promising because it tells me the knicks don't think Randle fits long term...and that is a very good thing!

What is this report? Randle gone??? :pray:

spree8 · Post #1702 » by **spree8** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:20 pm

SARGO127 wrote:Knicks:
Mitchell
Gay

Lakers:
Randle
Conley
Reddish

Jazz:
RW
Lakers 27 Unprotected
Lakers 29 Protected
Knicks 23 Unprotected
Knicks 25 Unprotected
Knicks 27 Unprotected
Knicks 29 Unprotected
Swaps in 24, 26
Mavs 23
Pistons 23

What the fuq bro… what the fuq

Post #1703 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:21 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:this report is promising because it tells me the knicks don't think Randle fits long term...and that is a very good thing!

What is this report? Randle gone???

Stein...that if the Knicks land Mitchell they would entertain a RW for Randle trade...I think assuming they would get draft capital and also free up the books down the road.

snadler · Post #1704 » by **snadler** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:22 pm

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Good news! This could happen now

Post #1705 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:22 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:this report is promising because it tells me the knicks don't think Randle fits long term...and that is a very good thing!

What is this report? Randle gone???

Stein...that if the Knicks land Mitchell they would entertain a RW for Randle trade...I think assuming they would get draft capital and also free up the books down the road.

Lakers or Char may be our only hope right now. Makes sense especially if we re-route those picks to Utah.

spree8 · Post #1706 » by **spree8** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:22 pm

SARGO127… bet u that IP address bounces back from Utah.

rajajackal · Post #1707 » by **rajajackal** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:22 pm

Synciere wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:Donovan Mitchell's strength is attacking the basket.. Brunson's strength is operating in the paint with a live dribble and floaters. Think about it and explain to me how they complement each other.

They’re guards. They’re supposed to be able to penetrate as well as shoot, which they both do. I get the questions regarding defense, but offensively?? That’s what people are complaining about?

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/donovan-mitchell-shot-chart-per-season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jalen-brunson-shot-chart-per-season

seems like spacing won't be an issue to me. both are solid 3pt shooters, donovan all around the arc, brunson elite from corners. brunson is the better midrange player, donovan can go to the basket strong. obi toppin a great fit for these guys considering how mobile their individual gravity is

jas · Post #1708 » by **jas** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:23 pm

snadler wrote:

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Good news! This could happen now

It is so happening!

Jay10 · Post #1709 » by **Jay10** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:24 pm

Knicksrule2k4 wrote:Bucher was on the herd and said Miami is looking to acquire draft capital to make a run at Durant. Maybe the Jazz told the heat Mitchell is going to Knicks and they shifted their focus to KD?

Ric Bucher's real name might as well be Robert Randolph with how wrong he always is.

Post #1710 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:26 pm

jas wrote:
snadler wrote:

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Good news! This could happen now

It is so happening!

It's official. Start the Julius Randle appreciation thread.

Fury · Post #1711 » by **Fury** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:26 pm

whocares1 wrote:
Fury wrote:
whocares1 wrote:
Because your logic is if the team didn’t tank themselves or the tanked player isn’t on the roster then tanking wasn’t used for them. Like you used the Lakers as an example even tho Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball were two players in a trade that was used to trade for a player that was also tanked for. The only one I’ll give you is the Bucks in recent memory but the point of tanking is putting yourself in a better position to draft a Giannis. Bucks just got extremely lucky.

The Raptors likely don’t win a chip if KD doesn’t have a freak injury. Point is that it’s common sense that tanking leads to having a higher percentage chance of acquiring a generational talent. (Not definite but much higher) and if you just want to trade for Mitchell bc you’re like mpharris and you’re sick of hoping the FO will think differently than sure. But generational talents are usually found right at the top of the draft.

Lots of ifs and buts. The Lakers didn’t take for Davis so that’s irrelevant the team that drafted him did. How did that work out for the Pelicans?

Too many ifs and buts with the Raptors.

The Lakers didn’t tank for Kobe, Shaq or Gasol either.

The Top 5 players in the league right now:

Giannis
Luka
Doncic
Curry
Durant

Thunder tanked and didn’t win **** with Durant.

The Warriors didn’t tank for Curry.

The Bucks didn’t tank for Giannis.

The Mavs traded up.

The Nuggets didn’t tank for Jokic.

Clearly tanking isn’t necessary, which is my point. And right now, more teams have found their superstars without tanking. That’s a fact.

This is why I said you’re a lost cause. I am strictly going by the statistical probability that the higher you pick the more likely you’ll pick a generational talent. That’s all that I’m saying. Everything else is irrelevant. You don’t NEED to tank but it increases your chances of getting a great player that’s cost controlled. The Mavs still tanked. You are under the impression that tanking only means getting into the Top 3. The Warriors picked Steph 7th. He was still a lottery pick. The Thunder went to the Finals with KD when he was 22 so claiming they didn’t win **** is dumb but so is this back and forth.

You moron, they didn’t tank, they just sucked. So in your scenario, the Knicks have been tanking this entire time, right? With picks all over the lottery?

Everything I said that you quoted is rooted in fact. You start off with your insult then you start to backtrack saying you don’t NEED to tank and now you’re going into statistical probabilities that you assume to be true but also aren’t rooted in fact.

Like I said. Look at the top 5 players in the league. Look at who has won the title the last 10 years. And tell me how great teams like the Magic, Kings, Rockets, Sixers have done these past 10 years.

snadler · Post #1712 » by **snadler** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:27 pm

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VirginiaKnickFan · Post #1713 » by **VirginiaKnickFan** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:27 pm

SARGO127 wrote:Knicks:
Mitchell
Gay

Lakers:
Randle
Conley
Reddish

Jazz:
RW
Lakers 27 Unprotected
Lakers 29 Protected
Knicks 23 Unprotected
Knicks 25 Unprotected
Knicks 27 Unprotected
Knicks 29 Unprotected
Swaps in 24, 26
Mavs 23
Pistons 23

4 unprotected Knicks picks? No, I don't like that at all.

Knicksrule2k4 · Post #1714 » by **Knicksrule2k4** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:30 pm

Lmao at Robert Randolph of all people to post that others are looking for attention.

SARGO127 · Post #1715 » by **SARGO127** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:31 pm

VirginiaKnickFan wrote:
SARGO127 wrote:Knicks:
Mitchell
Gay

Lakers:
Randle
Conley
Reddish

Jazz:
RW
Lakers 27 Unprotected
Lakers 29 Protected
Knicks 23 Unprotected
Knicks 25 Unprotected
Knicks 27 Unprotected
Knicks 29 Unprotected
Swaps in 24, 26
Mavs 23
Pistons 23

4 unprotected Knicks picks? No, I don't like that at all.

Hobert just went for 4 unprotected + swaps and Kessler. What do you think we are getting Mitchell for? We are keeping all of our youth here too

Orange Mamba · Post #1716 » by **Orange Mamba** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:32 pm

snadler wrote:

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I would take it on even without a pick if we're dumping Randle lol.

You know what, they could have Keels too

VirginiaKnickFan · Post #1717 » by **VirginiaKnickFan** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:34 pm

SARGO127 wrote:
VirginiaKnickFan wrote:
SARGO127 wrote:Knicks:
Mitchell
Gay

Lakers:
Randle
Conley
Reddish

Jazz:
RW
Lakers 27 Unprotected
Lakers 29 Protected
Knicks 23 Unprotected
Knicks 25 Unprotected
Knicks 27 Unprotected
Knicks 29 Unprotected
Swaps in 24, 26
Mavs 23
Pistons 23

4 unprotected Knicks picks? No, I don't like that at all.

Hobert just went for 4 unprotected + swaps and Kessler. What do you think we are getting Mitchell for? We are keeping all of our youth here too

Not if they are getting some combination of Grimes, Obi, and IQ. It's just dumb to trade 4 unprotected picks that far out. And I see little chance that Randle is going anywhere.

stuporman · Post #1718 » by **stuporman** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:34 pm

god shammgod wrote:
ag3 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:seems kind of impossible to trade for both mitchell and westbrook salary wise

Randle and Fournier for WB + picks?

you gotta include fournier in the mitchell deal to make it work

It works with Rose instead along with Grimes, Cam, and McBride by a small margin. Couldn't drop any of those and have it still work though

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #1719 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:35 pm

snadler wrote:

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Trade for Mitchell, keep Obi.
Trade Randle + Cam + Fournier for Russ
Buy out Russ.

Post #1720 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:37 pm

ag3 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:seems kind of impossible to trade for both mitchell and westbrook salary wise

Randle and Fournier for WB + picks?

But then how are you getting Mitchell? Rose and a bunch of guys maybe. Seems barely possible if at all.