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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#22 » by FrobeBryant » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:35 pm

Yeah I’m not trading a bad fit for another bad fit while throwing away a pick in the process.
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#23 » by Pythagoras » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:43 pm

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Pythagoras wrote:Its insane to that there are actually people suggesting the Knicks wouldn’t do this. Anyone who thinks the Knicks wouldn’t absolutely take a WB and a freaking first round pick for Randle I’ve got a bridge to sell you :roll:.

This is a ridiculous trade for the Lakers.

The Knicks just paid a first round pick for Reddish, so asking for Reddish back kinda negates the pick that's included. As for Russ v Randle, Russ may expire 3 years sooner, but Randle's a lot better on the court and paid half of what Russ is; so the Knicks would need some incentive to make that swap...and getting a redo on the reddish trade is unlikely to be enough.


Lol. Randle is most certainly not a “lot” better than Russ. Again, if you think the Knicks wouldn’t be all over a Russ + pick for Randle swap then I don’t even know what to say. This is a ridiculously one sided trade proposal in favor of the Knicks. You’re allowed to obviously believe what you want, but I’m 100% confident if the Lakers called the Knicks and offered this the Knicks would be rushing to close this deal while celebrating their incredible good fortunes.
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#24 » by cgf » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:54 pm

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Pythagoras wrote:Its insane to that there are actually people suggesting the Knicks wouldn’t do this. Anyone who thinks the Knicks wouldn’t absolutely take a WB and a freaking first round pick for Randle I’ve got a bridge to sell you :roll:.

This is a ridiculous trade for the Lakers.

The Knicks just paid a first round pick for Reddish, so asking for Reddish back kinda negates the pick that's included. As for Russ v Randle, Russ may expire 3 years sooner, but Randle's a lot better on the court and paid half of what Russ is; so the Knicks would need some incentive to make that swap...and getting a redo on the reddish trade is unlikely to be enough.


Lol. Randle is most certainly not a “lot” better than Russ. Again, if you think the Knicks wouldn’t be all over a Russ + pick for Randle swap then I don’t even know what to say. This is a ridiculously one sided trade proposal in favor of the Knicks. You’re allowed to obviously believe what you want, but I’m 100% confident if the Lakers called the Knicks and offered this the Knicks would be rushing to close this deal while celebrating their incredible good fortunes.


Disagree about Randle if you want, you're certainly not the only one who's low on Randle, but our FO doesn't seem to be in that camp.

And the trade you're so outraged by people not wanting to do, isn't even what the OP suggested. The OP suggested Russ & a pick for Randle & Reddish...whom our FO just paid a FRP for a few months ago.
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#25 » by dockingsched » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:58 pm

Letting Westbrook sit at home for one year is way better than absorbing Randles contract. To add insult, lakers have to give up a pick for the privilege of executing this disaster?
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#26 » by Pythagoras » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:00 am

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cgf wrote:The Knicks just paid a first round pick for Reddish, so asking for Reddish back kinda negates the pick that's included. As for Russ v Randle, Russ may expire 3 years sooner, but Randle's a lot better on the court and paid half of what Russ is; so the Knicks would need some incentive to make that swap...and getting a redo on the reddish trade is unlikely to be enough.


Lol. Randle is most certainly not a “lot” better than Russ. Again, if you think the Knicks wouldn’t be all over a Russ + pick for Randle swap then I don’t even know what to say. This is a ridiculously one sided trade proposal in favor of the Knicks. You’re allowed to obviously believe what you want, but I’m 100% confident if the Lakers called the Knicks and offered this the Knicks would be rushing to close this deal while celebrating their incredible good fortunes.


Disagree about Randle if you want, but that's not what the OP suggested. The OP suggested Russ & a pick for Randle & Reddish...whom our FO just paid a FRP for.


Yes, and the Lakers paid a first round pick for Westbrook. Doesn’t mean anything. Reddish is a nice prospect but he’s not RJ. He doesn’t remotely bridge the gap in negative value between Russ and Randle’s contract. Again, there’s like a zero percent chance I buy that the Knicks FO would turn down this trade.
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#27 » by cgf » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:01 am

FrobeBryant wrote:Yeah I’m not trading a bad fit for another bad fit while throwing away a pick in the process.

Which is ultimately why this trade never made sense to me. For the Lakers both Randle & Russ are awful fits. For us, Russ is a much worse fit than Randle. So we would need some compensation to make that swap. Compensation that you have zero reason to offer.
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Post#28 » by kenwood3333 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:03 am

Because the Knicks front office isn't as bad as before
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#29 » by TheNewEra » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:06 am

facothomas22 wrote:Why would the Knicks do this trade? They already have enough point guards and plus Westbrook is one of worst starting point guards in the NBA,while making 47 million dollars. I think the Knicks pass on this trade,unless they can get another unprotected 1st pick or two from the Lakers and even then, it might be pointless since they're not a rebuilding team.



The Knicks turning Randle into expiring would absolutely be a steal in itself plus adding picks. You could even have Westbrook stay home and use his expiring to work out a deal by the deadline or just cut him.
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#30 » by cgf » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:09 am

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Lol. Randle is most certainly not a “lot” better than Russ. Again, if you think the Knicks wouldn’t be all over a Russ + pick for Randle swap then I don’t even know what to say. This is a ridiculously one sided trade proposal in favor of the Knicks. You’re allowed to obviously believe what you want, but I’m 100% confident if the Lakers called the Knicks and offered this the Knicks would be rushing to close this deal while celebrating their incredible good fortunes.


Disagree about Randle if you want, but that's not what the OP suggested. The OP suggested Russ & a pick for Randle & Reddish...whom our FO just paid a FRP for.


Yes, and the Lakers paid a first round pick for Westbrook. Doesn’t mean anything. Reddish is a nice prospect but he’s not RJ. He doesn’t remotely bridge the gap in negative value between Russ and Randle’s contract. Again, there’s like a zero percent chance I buy that the Knicks FO would turn down this trade.


I must not have been clear. I was talking about the Knicks FO having just paid a FRP for Reddish, meaning that we can assume they value him as a FRP...otherwise, why spend one on him? Now I'm not as high on Cam as our FO, but if Reddish is worth a FRP to them, then the pick included in the OP's trade would just be compensating our FO for giving up Cam.

Meaning we'd be doing the Randle-Russ swap for free. And even though Randle may be just as bad of a fit with LeBron & AD as Russ for the Lakers...for us, Randle helps a lot more than Russ would. So it doesn't make sense for us to make that swap without getting compensation; compensation that it doesn't make sense for you to offer us.

Especially when it's not like dumping Randle & Fournier would be enough for us to open a max slot next summer; we'd only be around 25-30M...and that's without accounting for Reddish -- who our FO seems to rate a lot more than I do -- 's caphold.
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#31 » by TheNewEra » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:10 am

cgf wrote:
Pythagoras wrote:
cgf wrote:The Knicks just paid a first round pick for Reddish, so asking for Reddish back kinda negates the pick that's included. As for Russ v Randle, Russ may expire 3 years sooner, but Randle's a lot better on the court and paid half of what Russ is; so the Knicks would need some incentive to make that swap...and getting a redo on the reddish trade is unlikely to be enough.


Lol. Randle is most certainly not a “lot” better than Russ. Again, if you think the Knicks wouldn’t be all over a Russ + pick for Randle swap then I don’t even know what to say. This is a ridiculously one sided trade proposal in favor of the Knicks. You’re allowed to obviously believe what you want, but I’m 100% confident if the Lakers called the Knicks and offered this the Knicks would be rushing to close this deal while celebrating their incredible good fortunes.


Disagree about Randle if you want, you're certainly not the only one who's low on Randle, but our FO doesn't seem to be in that camp.

And the trade you're so outraged by people not wanting to do, isn't even what the OP suggested. The OP suggested Russ & a pick for Randle & Reddish...whom our FO just paid a FRP for a few months ago.


Who your current coach doesn’t want to play anyway. I think you are fighting for something that’s not there. If nothing else you are getting a pick back that you spent on Reddish back for Randle. Then you are getting off the negative Randle deal with expiring.

Only issue with this deal is the Lakers would have no incentive to do this deal. Getting Randle with Lebron potentially leaving only makes the current issues last longer and you have AD and Randle as the best two players.
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#32 » by cgf » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:15 am

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Lol. Randle is most certainly not a “lot” better than Russ. Again, if you think the Knicks wouldn’t be all over a Russ + pick for Randle swap then I don’t even know what to say. This is a ridiculously one sided trade proposal in favor of the Knicks. You’re allowed to obviously believe what you want, but I’m 100% confident if the Lakers called the Knicks and offered this the Knicks would be rushing to close this deal while celebrating their incredible good fortunes.


Disagree about Randle if you want, you're certainly not the only one who's low on Randle, but our FO doesn't seem to be in that camp.

And the trade you're so outraged by people not wanting to do, isn't even what the OP suggested. The OP suggested Russ & a pick for Randle & Reddish...whom our FO just paid a FRP for a few months ago.


Who your current coach doesn’t want to play anyway. I think you are fighting for something that’s not there. If nothing else you are getting a pick back that you spent on Reddish back for Randle. Then you are getting off the negative Randle deal with expiring.

Only issue with this deal is the Lakers would have no incentive to do this deal. Getting Randle with Lebron potentially leaving only makes the current issues last longer and you have AD and Randle as the best two players.


Not even Thibs is cruel enough to play someone with a messed up shoulder. :wink:

Cam didn't get PT until he learned Thibs' systems, but once he started getting PT his defense earned him more & more of it. By the time he went down for the season he had hit the 20mpg mark in 3 of his last 4 games, and was well on his way to hitting that mark again in the game he got hurt in.

Again, I'm not as high on Reddish as the Knicks are, but if you were high on him, there's no reason to be any less high on him after what he showed as a knick.
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#33 » by Pythagoras » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:17 am

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Disagree about Randle if you want, but that's not what the OP suggested. The OP suggested Russ & a pick for Randle & Reddish...whom our FO just paid a FRP for.


Yes, and the Lakers paid a first round pick for Westbrook. Doesn’t mean anything. Reddish is a nice prospect but he’s not RJ. He doesn’t remotely bridge the gap in negative value between Russ and Randle’s contract. Again, there’s like a zero percent chance I buy that the Knicks FO would turn down this trade.


I wasn't clear. My point was that the Knicks FO just paid a FRP for Reddish, so we can assume that they value him as a FRP...otherwise, why spend one on him? Now I'm not as high on Cam as our FO was, but if Reddish is worth a FRP to the Knicks, then the pick included in the OP's trade would just be compensating our FO for Cam.

We'd still be doing the Randle-Russ swap for free. And though, for the Lakers, Randle may be just as bad as Russ of a fit with LeBron & AD...for us, Randle helps a lot more than Russ would. So it doesn't make sense for us to do make swap without getting compensation that it doesn't make sense for you to offer.

Especially when it's not like dumping Randle & Fournier would be enough for us to open a max slot next summer; we'd only be around 25-30M...and that's without accounting for Reddish -- who our FO seems to rate a lot more than I do -- 's caphold.



Dude, the Knicks currently have their eyes on building a roster that can compete for the ECF around Donovan Mitchell (assuming they can get a deal done there) and Brunson. Randle hinders their plans FAR more than Reddish helps. Now, I don’t doubt they may indeed value Reddish, but they’re also not morons. They would absolutely give up Reddish to get a first round pick in a Randle-Russ swap.

It’s not just that Randle is just as bad a fit, he’s not actually any better of a player than WB.
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#34 » by cgf » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:30 am

Pythagoras wrote:
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Yes, and the Lakers paid a first round pick for Westbrook. Doesn’t mean anything. Reddish is a nice prospect but he’s not RJ. He doesn’t remotely bridge the gap in negative value between Russ and Randle’s contract. Again, there’s like a zero percent chance I buy that the Knicks FO would turn down this trade.


I wasn't clear. My point was that the Knicks FO just paid a FRP for Reddish, so we can assume that they value him as a FRP...otherwise, why spend one on him? Now I'm not as high on Cam as our FO was, but if Reddish is worth a FRP to the Knicks, then the pick included in the OP's trade would just be compensating our FO for Cam.

We'd still be doing the Randle-Russ swap for free. And though, for the Lakers, Randle may be just as bad as Russ of a fit with LeBron & AD...for us, Randle helps a lot more than Russ would. So it doesn't make sense for us to do make swap without getting compensation that it doesn't make sense for you to offer.

Especially when it's not like dumping Randle & Fournier would be enough for us to open a max slot next summer; we'd only be around 25-30M...and that's without accounting for Reddish -- who our FO seems to rate a lot more than I do -- 's caphold.



Dude, the Knicks currently have their eyes on building a roster than compete for the ECF around Donovan Mitchell (assuming they can get a deal done there) and Brunson. Randle hinders their plans FAR more than Reddish helps. Now, I don’t doubt they may indeed value Reddish, but they’re also not morons. They would absolutely give up Reddish to get a first round pick in a Randle-Russ swap.

It’s not just that Randle is just as bad a fit, he’s not actually any better of a player than WB.


You seem to be a lot lower on Randle than I am; especially if we bring Mitchell in to take even more of the offensive burden off of his shoulders. As a 3rd option to two perimeter guys, Mitchell & Brunson (eventually RJ), my biggest qualm would be that we wouldn't have a stretch 5 to pair him with.

He certainly shouldn't be running your offense like we needed him to do after Rose got hurt last season...and if he shoots as poorly as he did last year he'll kill our spacing, but if his shooting bounces back to the 34% he's averaged from 3 since starting to take them in NOLA, that's a lot less of a problem. Especially with him getting to take a lot more C&S 3s than he has the past two years...

Plus he's been a positive defender under Thibs; he has good vision, even though his handle & passing aren't good enough to make full us of it if his 3ball isn't dropping; he's a force on the glass...and Toppin would need to take a big step this offseason to be ready to start for a team that had any hopes of making the second round.
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#35 » by taikibansei » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:48 am

cgf wrote:
Pythagoras wrote:
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I wasn't clear. My point was that the Knicks FO just paid a FRP for Reddish, so we can assume that they value him as a FRP...otherwise, why spend one on him? Now I'm not as high on Cam as our FO was, but if Reddish is worth a FRP to the Knicks, then the pick included in the OP's trade would just be compensating our FO for Cam.

We'd still be doing the Randle-Russ swap for free. And though, for the Lakers, Randle may be just as bad as Russ of a fit with LeBron & AD...for us, Randle helps a lot more than Russ would. So it doesn't make sense for us to do make swap without getting compensation that it doesn't make sense for you to offer.

Especially when it's not like dumping Randle & Fournier would be enough for us to open a max slot next summer; we'd only be around 25-30M...and that's without accounting for Reddish -- who our FO seems to rate a lot more than I do -- 's caphold.



Dude, the Knicks currently have their eyes on building a roster than compete for the ECF around Donovan Mitchell (assuming they can get a deal done there) and Brunson. Randle hinders their plans FAR more than Reddish helps. Now, I don’t doubt they may indeed value Reddish, but they’re also not morons. They would absolutely give up Reddish to get a first round pick in a Randle-Russ swap.

It’s not just that Randle is just as bad a fit, he’s not actually any better of a player than WB.


You seem to be a lot lower on Randle than I am; especially if we bring Mitchell in to take even more of the offensive burden off of his shoulders. As a 3rd option to two perimeter guys, Mitchell & Brunson (eventually RJ), my biggest qualm would be that we wouldn't have a stretch 5 to pair him with.

He certainly shouldn't be running your offense like we needed him to do after Rose got hurt last season...and if he shoots as poorly as he did last year he'll kill our spacing, but if his shooting bounces back to the 34% he's averaged from 3 since starting to take them in NOLA, that's a lot less of a problem. Especially with him getting to take a lot more C&S 3s than he has the past two years...

Plus he's been a positive defender under Thibs; he has good vision, even though his handle & passing aren't good enough to make full us of it if his 3ball isn't dropping; he's a force on the glass...and Toppin would need to take a big step this offseason to be ready to start for a team that had any hopes of making the second round.


100% this, particularly the bold. The last time Randle played with a legit point guard, he was an all-star. Will he replicate this success with Brunson (and Rose) over the coming season? I’m not very confident, but who knows?

I do know that I want no part of Westbrick. The trade would be for cap-space and the frp, but we tend to do stupid things with the former, and the latter is a long way off. Accordingly, this is not a deal I’d be in a rush to do—and I’ve seen no reputable source saying such a trade is imminent (or even being seriously considered by either team).
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Post#36 » by dockingsched » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:56 am

^^^ considering Randle’s salary, length of contract, skill set, position, strengths and weaknesses….I don’t think you can name a worse compliment to Lebron/AD than Randle. Regardless of the knicks respective in this hypothetical, Randle should be a total nonstarter for the Lakers.
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#37 » by Pythagoras » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:56 am

cgf wrote:
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I wasn't clear. My point was that the Knicks FO just paid a FRP for Reddish, so we can assume that they value him as a FRP...otherwise, why spend one on him? Now I'm not as high on Cam as our FO was, but if Reddish is worth a FRP to the Knicks, then the pick included in the OP's trade would just be compensating our FO for Cam.

We'd still be doing the Randle-Russ swap for free. And though, for the Lakers, Randle may be just as bad as Russ of a fit with LeBron & AD...for us, Randle helps a lot more than Russ would. So it doesn't make sense for us to do make swap without getting compensation that it doesn't make sense for you to offer.

Especially when it's not like dumping Randle & Fournier would be enough for us to open a max slot next summer; we'd only be around 25-30M...and that's without accounting for Reddish -- who our FO seems to rate a lot more than I do -- 's caphold.



Dude, the Knicks currently have their eyes on building a roster than compete for the ECF around Donovan Mitchell (assuming they can get a deal done there) and Brunson. Randle hinders their plans FAR more than Reddish helps. Now, I don’t doubt they may indeed value Reddish, but they’re also not morons. They would absolutely give up Reddish to get a first round pick in a Randle-Russ swap.

It’s not just that Randle is just as bad a fit, he’s not actually any better of a player than WB.


You seem to be a lot lower on Randle than I am; especially if we bring Mitchell in to take even more of the offensive burden off of his shoulders. As a 3rd option to two perimeter guys, Mitchell & Brunson (eventually RJ), my biggest qualm would be that we wouldn't have a stretch 5 to pair him with.

He certainly shouldn't be running your offense like we needed him to do after Rose got hurt last season...and if he shoots as poorly as he did last year he'll kill our spacing, but if his shooting bounces back to the 34% he's averaged from 3 since starting to take them in NOLA, that's a lot less of a problem. Especially with him getting to take a lot more C&S 3s than he has the past two years...

Plus he's been a positive defender under Thibs; he has good vision, even though his handle & passing aren't good enough to make full us of it if his 3ball isn't dropping; he's a force on the glass...and Toppin would need to take a big step this offseason to be ready to start for a team that had any hopes of making the second round.


Alright, well, seems as though we’re just not going to agree on this matter. For the record, I actually do hope things work out for the Knicks. I like Randle, and I personally know a lot Knicks fans and they’re good peeps. Also as a fan of the NBA as a whole, I’d rather the Knicks be good, as I think it’s better for the league.
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#38 » by DrCoach » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:03 am

Because Randle has more value
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Post#39 » by Dupp » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:02 am

Westbrook is expiring…
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Re: Is There a Reason Why Westbrook Hasn't Been Traded for Randle Yet? 

Post#40 » by jstross » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:16 am

It's nonsense. Knicks would be assanine to do that deal. Westbrick is toast. Poster has to be spoofing.
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Liam_Gallagher wrote:Did we ever figure out why this hasn't happened yet? It benefits both teams.

To the Knicks: Westbrook, Kendrick Nunn, Wenyen Gabriel, a future 1st round pick, a future 2nd round pick

To the Lakers: Julius Randle, Derrick Rose, Cam Redish


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