NBA Summer League 2022

[whatisacenter]

I’ll make the Wiseman bust label official. He’s horrible. Terrible instincts/touch/feel for the game and that’s not going to change.

good thing you are not the official decider.

Good luck on that island brother. He looks bigger and as athletic as ever, but he’s not a basketball player. It’s possible in 2-3 years he will be a positive player, but he won’t be on the Warriors at that point. Tough L for the Dubs. He’s horrendous.

Time will tell...I'm willing to give him his first training camp and preseason before labeling him. The guy has barely played 40 games in 3 years.

[BoatsNZones]

good thing you are not the official decider.

Good luck on that island brother. He looks bigger and as athletic as ever, but he’s not a basketball player. It’s possible in 2-3 years he will be a positive player, but he won’t be on the Warriors at that point. Tough L for the Dubs. He’s horrendous.

Time will tell...I'm willing to give him his first training camp and preseason before labeling him. The guy has barely played 40 games in 3 years.

I’m being reactionary of course, but I have a pretty good feel for players over the years, and Wiseman is… a lot to work with. His hands are terrible. His instincts are terrible. Even coming off his injuries, he should show as a plus player in the Summer league of all places. But yet, he’s simply another sloppy big body. I’m not happy to say this.

[GSWFan1994]

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[76ciology]

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I like watching him play. He shows so much potential.

But why is his numbers so ugly? Is he doing too much?

[GSWFan1994]

I like watching him play. He shows so much potential.

But why is his numbers so ugly? Is he doing too much?

He played less than 20 mpg IIRC.

The Warriors SL team was horrible... no ball movement, barely an offensive system applied, too many guards hunting for shots... that usual summer league crap.

[PerkinsFor3]

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I like watching him play. He shows so much potential.

But why is his numbers so ugly? Is he doing too much?

Never judge players by summer league, especially not big men. These players are often reliant on playmakers, unless theyre top notch front court talents. In SL the guards are often gunning for their own 'success' and not so much focused on playmaking and setting up teammates. For whatever reason. If it was up to me, I'd always try to get more veteran guards to take a very much playmaking focused role on these summer league teams,unless youve drafted a backcourt player you eant to see. And even then, be clear in what you want to see. Then again, coaching often leaves some to be desired in SL.

[76ciology]

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I like watching him play. He shows so much potential.

But why is his numbers so ugly? Is he doing too much?

Never judge players by summer league, especially not big men. These players are often reliant on playmakers, unless theyre top notch front court talents. In SL the guards are often gunning for their own 'success' and not so much focused on playmaking and setting up teammates. For whatever reason. If it was up to me, I'd always try to get more veteran guards to take a very much playmaking focused role on these summer league teams,unless youve drafted a backcourt player you eant to see. And even then, be clear in what you want to see. Then again, coaching often leaves some to be desired in SL.

If he has to rely on a guard to get him looks then what good is it to be as skilled as he is on offense? Why not just go with the usual dunk&block big?

Seems to me his shooting and shot creation needs work. For instance this last game, Wiseman got 13 shots, which is highest in the team. But he only end up with 11pts. His counterpart J.Echenique (whoever this is) got 19pts on 8 FGAs and 12 rebs

The way I look at him right now, he needs to simplify his game. He’ll look like a DeAndre Jordan for now, until he has develop his shooting and shot creation.

Until then, if he continue to force his scoring, he wont be playable and would be better off in the GLeague.

[God Squad]

I like watching him play. He shows so much potential.

But why is his numbers so ugly? Is he doing too much?

He played less than 20 mpg IIRC.

The Warriors SL team was horrible... no ball movement, barely an offensive system applied, too many guards hunting for shots... that usual summer league crap.

You're summer league consisted on Kuminga isos/Wisemen sets, So are you saying Kuminga/Wisemen were horrible? I low key thought Mcclung played better than both at times, and I had no hope in him whatsoever. His handle and movements are very shifty.

[Onus]

I like watching him play. He shows so much potential.

But why is his numbers so ugly? Is he doing too much?

He played less than 20 mpg IIRC.

The Warriors SL team was horrible... no ball movement, barely an offensive system applied, too many guards hunting for shots... that usual summer league crap.

You're summer league consisted on Kuminga isos/Wisemen sets, So are you saying Kuminga/Wisemen were horrible? I low key thought Mcclung played better than both at times, and I had no hope in him whatsoever. His handle and movements are very shifty.

I'd say kuminga was pretty bad. He showed flashes and spurts but he's not ready to run an offense full time, like he was doing here. I don't recall too many wiseman sets. He rarely touched the ball on offense except for this last game when kuminga didn't play. Wiseman's offense is still pretty raw, but really he just needs to set screens on offense and we have a guy who gets everyone open. So really not too worried about his offense. Really it's his defense that will get him playing time and he seemed to be able to patrol the paint better and be a deterrent. Still a bit raw, a bit late at times, getting distracted, going for every block. But definitely some improvement. The defense was better when he was in the game vs not in the game.

[76ciology]

Unpopular opinion:

First off, I love Presti. I think he’s the best GM out there. I like most of the OKC kids like SGA, Holmgren (i had him #1 on my mock), Jalen Williams and Dieng.

But I do think Giddey is a sell high candidate. He averaged .25 3pt per game, 13ppg on 13 FGAs. Yes, he’s gonna MCW/Ben Simmons/Westbrook his way to a triple double but he’s not a PG that you can just give the ball and run the offense because of his average at best scoring ability and poor shooting ability.

Yes, Giddey can be better. Maybe he becomes Doncic next week. But its very likely he’ll never be a good scorer and shooter that is just gonna hurt your team’s offense at the PG position

[Marcus]

I like watching him play. He shows so much potential.

But why is his numbers so ugly? Is he doing too much?

Never judge players by summer league, especially not big men. These players are often reliant on playmakers, unless theyre top notch front court talents. In SL the guards are often gunning for their own 'success' and not so much focused on playmaking and setting up teammates. For whatever reason. If it was up to me, I'd always try to get more veteran guards to take a very much playmaking focused role on these summer league teams,unless youve drafted a backcourt player you eant to see. And even then, be clear in what you want to see. Then again, coaching often leaves some to be desired in SL.

If he has to rely on a guard to get him looks then what good is it to be as skilled as he is on offense? Why not just go with the usual dunk&block big?

Seems to me his shooting and shot creation needs work. For instance this last game, Wiseman got 13 shots, which is highest in the team. But he only end up with 11pts. His counterpart J.Echenique (whoever this is) got 19pts on 8 FGAs and 12 rebs

The way I look at him right now, he needs to simplify his game. He’ll look like a DeAndre Jordan for now, until he has develop his shooting and shot creation.

Until then, if he continue to force his scoring, he wont be playable and would be better off in the GLeague.

pretty much always been my issue with him as a prospect. If he stuck to just doing "bigman" stuff i'd see more value with him.

The idea of him being able to do more has always been the selling point in Wiseman IMO. As long as that narrative is still there for him I think the sell value on him is still good. Don't think the full potential idea of what James Wiseman is supposed to be will ever come to fruition on main roster Dubs. I'd flip him once he's shown enough health and flashes.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Congrats Keegan Murray for winning Summer League MVP.

[bisme37]

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[Adg1987]

Well earned MVP. Played every game except one and was mostly the best player on court every game. Good performance

[Chuck Everett]

Where is the poster Prolific Scorer when you need him? Murray is about to become the poster child for it. The thing I like most about him is, when Luka Garza was the main man in Iowa, he played like a high-end role player. So this is a young man who will fit into the team concept as well. Could easily see him having a 15 year career just based on his lack of ego.

[kulaz3000]

Unpopular opinion:

First off, I love Presti. I think he’s the best GM out there. I like most of the OKC kids like SGA, Holmgren (i had him #1 on my mock), Jalen Williams and Dieng.

But I do think Giddey is a sell high candidate. He averaged .25 3pt per game, 13ppg on 13 FGAs. Yes, he’s gonna MCW/Ben Simmons/Westbrook his way to a triple double but he’s not a PG that you can just give the ball and run the offense because of his average at best scoring ability and poor shooting ability.

Yes, Giddey can be better. Maybe he becomes Doncic next week. But its very likely he’ll never be a good scorer and shooter that is just gonna hurt your team’s offense at the PG position

Absolutely agree. I love him as a player, but he is likely to be more Ricky Rubio than someone like Doncic. And that's not a bad thing, he will have a place in this league, but unless he shows he can shooter better this season and perhaps next, you need to trade him while his value is high.

I don't think you can have a legitimate competitive team, without having your guards shoot the ball at a decent clip, no matter how good he is in other areas of the game.

[nicnac215]

Well earned MVP. Played every game except one and was mostly the best player on court every game. Good performance

He wasn’t the best player against Orlando

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Well earned MVP. Played every game except one and was mostly the best player on court every game. Good performance

He wasn’t the best player against Orlando

I think when the original poster said “was mostly” he meant that game. But, Murray held his own.

[76ciology]

Unpopular opinion:

First off, I love Presti. I think he’s the best GM out there. I like most of the OKC kids like SGA, Holmgren (i had him #1 on my mock), Jalen Williams and Dieng.

But I do think Giddey is a sell high candidate. He averaged .25 3pt per game, 13ppg on 13 FGAs. Yes, he’s gonna MCW/Ben Simmons/Westbrook his way to a triple double but he’s not a PG that you can just give the ball and run the offense because of his average at best scoring ability and poor shooting ability.

Yes, Giddey can be better. Maybe he becomes Doncic next week. But its very likely he’ll never be a good scorer and shooter that is just gonna hurt your team’s offense at the PG position

Absolutely agree. I love him as a player, but he is likely to be more Ricky Rubio than someone like Doncic. And that's not a bad thing, he will have a place in this league, but unless he shows he can shooter better this season and perhaps next, you need to trade him while his value is high.

I don't think you can have a legitimate competitive team, without having your guards shoot the ball at a decent clip, no matter how good he is in other areas of the game.

We’ve seen this movie before.

Thunders will eventually be good. Giddey will facilitate and get the ball to their scorers like SGA and Holmgren.

But once they go to deep in the playoffs and face teams who load up on switchable defenders or elite lengthy with athleticism defenders (see Wiggins against Tatum), their scorers will struggle. Possibly Giddey’s man sagging off him and even be a permanent help defender. Then they’d look for a guy who can help their scorers get better shots, a guard who can run 2 man game generate switching to the weak defender or collapse the defense and kicking it out to shooters.

Once they realize that, they’ll be so exposed that other teams wont value Giddey as much as the teams value him right now.