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What would you do about the playmaker situation?

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Which do you prefer?

Trade for Rozier
2
20%
Trade for Sexton (somehow)
1
10%
Trade for 1 of PatBev, Conley or Clarkson
1
10%
Trade for Coby White
0
No votes
Trade for Devonte Graham
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No votes
Trade for Westbrook
1
10%
Sign Schroeder
3
30%
Do nothing. Let's see how it goes and then make a move later if it fails
2
20%
Screw it, unleash the Hardy Party
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No votes
Sign or trade for someone else
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No votes
 
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What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#1 » by Maverick41 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:36 pm

So I think the consensus on this board is that we need another guard that can handle the ball. Now the market for that kind of player is kind of dry. Here are the options that have been brought up the most:

Rozier - good scorer, can playmake. Bad contract. Probably THJ + Green + SRP type swap (maybe more)
Sexton - Very good scorer but has tunnel vision and not a good defender. Would take a lot of salary cap manuevering to acquire.
PatBev - Good defender, good 3 point shooter. Can't playmake. Probably a Powell + Green+ SRPs type swap.
Conley - Good 3 point shooter and smart. Kind of over the hill and really bad contract.
Clarkson - Good scorer, decent defender. Can't playmake for others. Probably would require a FRP
Coby White - good scorer, good size, bad defender. Maybe a Green swap is possible.
Graham - Good shooter. Bad defender, bad contract. Would probably only require a Powell swap.
Schroeder - Good scorer, playmaker and has been a good defender in earlier days. Very bad attitude. Maybe vet min.
Westbrook - Gigantic expiring contract, good playmaker, terrible shooter, would have to accept a bench role.

Then there's the option of doing nothing. Praying that the team can somehow handle the ball handling duties collectively and perhaps just keeping the powder dry for someone later. OR just unleashing Hardy and letting him develop and play through mistakes.

If you were Nico, what do you do?
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Post#2 » by arkuo » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:16 am

I like Terry Rozier. He's like a 19ppg player that also defends. Plays way better than Brunson and is only paid 19M while Brunson is paid 27M.

IMO if you add Rozier to the current team with Wood, THJ and Mcgee, you already have more talent than last season. How to convince MJ to get it done is another story. Maybe they invest more in Lamelo Ball as a point guard?
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Post#3 » by Maverick41 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:27 am

I like Rozier as well. He has a 6'8" wingspan, really good shooter and is comfortable playing off the ball.

He would be my 1st choice but that ranking probably changes for me if CHA demands a FRP.
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Post#4 » by Michaellam1987 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:35 am

but we dont have anything that can interest Rozier to make trade with us.
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Post#5 » by Michaellam1987 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:37 am

typo, I mean to interest CHA to make Rozier trade with us.
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Post#6 » by Maverick41 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:50 am

For Rozier, it would have to be a cost cutting type trade. Something along the lines of:

Rozier & Plumlee for THJ, Green, Frank and 2 SRPs.

CHA cuts 6 mil in immediate salary, replaces Rozier's scoring with THJ who is on a 1 year shorter and declining contract, gets a look at Green who fits really well with Lamelo and 2 SRPs to help bridge the value. It's not the greatest offer I know but there's some rationale to it. Definitely more rationale if Bridges signs a big contract but that one is looking unlikely because of his legal stuff.
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Post#7 » by arkuo » Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:08 am

Maverick41 wrote:For Rozier, it would have to be a cost cutting type trade. Something along the lines of:

Rozier & Plumlee for THJ, Green, Frank and 2 SRPs.

CHA cuts 6 mil in immediate salary, replaces Rozier's scoring with THJ who is on a 1 year shorter and declining contract, gets a look at Green who fits really well with Lamelo and 2 SRPs to help bridge the value. It's not the greatest offer I know but there's some rationale to it. Definitely more rationale if Bridges signs a big contract but that one is looking unlikely because of his legal stuff.


I can almost see MJ agreeing to a package centered around Powell and Kleber to salary dump Rozier.

That would leave Dallas shorthanded with big men though. This move cuts like 57M in salary for Charlotte. 19M for 3 years.
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Post#8 » by arkuo » Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:30 am

Charlotte is in an interesting spot. Lamelo is up and coming talent, and they got Mark Williams from the draft this year. They just lost Bridges to the state penetentiary. And Hayward does not look like his knees will be up for a few more years. Smells like a rebuild situation if they cant get out of the East. Maybe they try to salary dump Rozier? That 6'8 wing span for a point guard is what allows him to be a good defender. And for guys around Luka, that's exactly what you need. Have Dinwiddie come off the bench, surround Luka with Rozier, Bullock, DFS and Wood. Lengthy and highly switchable players.
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Post#9 » by Darren » Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:08 am

The Mavs does not have much options indeed.
1. No way to get a high pick.
2. No attractive package
3. Not much to offer with in FA

The most possible scenario is FA gets waived or remains unsigned after training camp.
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Post#10 » by Darren » Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:09 am

Let's see if Green or Ntilikina could become something.
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Post#11 » by SOUNDCHASER » Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:34 am

Darren wrote:Let's see if Green or Ntilikina could become something.

and if not them then you try Pinson Hardy Lawson and anything else that can show promise. Scouts need to be at every unsigned prospects door seeking an audience to fill a spot. Make it a Willy Wonka moment complete with a golden ticket.

Yeah you can wait to see what happens before the TDL and see what our expiring contracts get you and how tough Ainge is to deal with then because he has nothing that anyone wants if you ask me.

Then there are all the other tax payers who need to get rid of players to avoid huge consequences.

A trade will be a lot easier to pursue when they are more motivated to avoid paying taxes and they have evaluated their options and seek to flush their team down the toilet.

Just say not to high dollar players who have no time on their clock because father time is causing them to lose a step. We already snagged McGee and he was the best option at the time.
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Post#12 » by Michaellam1987 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:26 am

Maverick41 wrote:For Rozier, it would have to be a cost cutting type trade. Something along the lines of:

Rozier & Plumlee for THJ, Green, Frank and 2 SRPs.

CHA cuts 6 mil in immediate salary, replaces Rozier's scoring with THJ who is on a 1 year shorter and declining contract, gets a look at Green who fits really well with Lamelo and 2 SRPs to help bridge the value. It's not the greatest offer I know but there's some rationale to it. Definitely more rationale if Bridges signs a big contract but that one is looking unlikely because of his legal stuff.


Why CHA will take this offer? Rozier is 2 years younger, better scorer, better ball handler, with better defensive potential than THJ. I am sure if CHA trying to reduce the financial burden, they can find better deal for Rozier. Plumlee is still a decent C can give you 10-20 minutes, while under expiring contract, on the other hand, Green at best worth a SRP, Frank basically worth nothing, 2 SRPs also have little values.
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Post#13 » by Mavrelous » Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:33 am

Powell for Kemba
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Post#14 » by Michaellam1987 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:50 am

SOUNDCHASER wrote:
Darren wrote:Let's see if Green or Ntilikina could become something.

and if not them then you try Pinson Hardy Lawson and anything else that can show promise. Scouts need to be at every unsigned prospects door seeking an audience to fill a spot. Make it a Willy Wonka moment complete with a golden ticket.

Yeah you can wait to see what happens before the TDL and see what our expiring contracts get you and how tough Ainge is to deal with then because he has nothing that anyone wants if you ask me.

Then there are all the other tax payers who need to get rid of players to avoid huge consequences.

A trade will be a lot easier to pursue when they are more motivated to avoid paying taxes and they have evaluated their options and seek to flush their team down the toilet.

Just say not to high dollar players who have no time on their clock because father time is causing them to lose a step. We already snagged McGee and he was the best option at the time.


Don't over-confident and count on rookies. Green/Ntilikina has been in the league for some years, and clearly show what they can or cannot do. I dont think they will suddenly turn into something. Hardy being drafted in the 2nd round really has his own reason. I still think signing Pinson is waste of roster spot and money. Good luck to you if you count on an undrafted rookie in Lawson.
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Post#15 » by Maverick41 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:57 am

KhalilS wrote:Powell for Kemba

I forgot about Kemba. Not sure he's reliable health wise to be that 3rd playmaker but he's still a good option in spurts. The play 1 game rest 5 guy that the FO apparently wants. Good call.
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Post#16 » by Darren » Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:18 am

Iguodala sets to leave Golden States. I think it's a worthwhile signing for player development or on court production.
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Post#17 » by Darren » Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:36 am

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thesmokingcuban.com/posts/alex-caruso-makes-surprising-declaration-about-the-dallas-mavericks-01g896qdwwh3/amp

Chicago sets to have 6 PG on roster with a need for shot blocker. Maybe Maxi for Caruso trade makes sense ? From the article, Caruso thinks highly of Luka and Kidd. With man handling Giannis in first round in fresh memory, this moves do makes sense for both side somewhat. However, Maxi is one of few 3D players on roster.
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Re: What would you do about the playmaker situation? 

Post#18 » by 41Dirk41 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:01 am

SOUNDCHASER wrote:
Darren wrote:Let's see if Green or Ntilikina could become something.

and if not them then you try Pinson Hardy Lawson and anything else that can show promise. Scouts need to be at every unsigned prospects door seeking an audience to fill a spot. Make it a Willy Wonka moment complete with a golden ticket.

Yeah you can wait to see what happens before the TDL and see what our expiring contracts get you and how tough Ainge is to deal with then because he has nothing that anyone wants if you ask me.

Then there are all the other tax payers who need to get rid of players to avoid huge consequences.

A trade will be a lot easier to pursue when they are more motivated to avoid paying taxes and they have evaluated their options and seek to flush their team down the toilet.

Just say not to high dollar players who have no time on their clock because father time is causing them to lose a step. We already snagged McGee and he was the best option at the time.


I completely disagree, if Luka will miss 2/3 weeks for injuries or something else we are in trouble.

Schroeder for the min is the best option, istant offense from the bench with Luka and he can lead the team against bad teams when Luka will rest.

We need a Brunson replacement badly.
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Post#19 » by 41Dirk41 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:02 am

Darren wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/thesmokingcuban.com/posts/alex-caruso-makes-surprising-declaration-about-the-dallas-mavericks-01g896qdwwh3/amp

Chicago sets to have 6 PG on roster with a need for shot blocker. Maybe Maxi for Caruso trade makes sense ? From the article, Caruso thinks highly of Luka and Kidd. With man handling Giannis in first round in fresh memory, this moves do makes sense for both side somewhat. However, Maxi is one of few 3D players on roster.


Caruso is good too but i don't think he is available for cheap.
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