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Post#21 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jul 6, 2022 11:00 pm

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GEE wrote:We are definitely paying a healthy price for GP2's services, as our 3rd PG. I really like him as a player, and can obviously see why Chauncey would want him.

My feeling is that this signing, and use of valuable F/A money on a guard versus a PF, doesn't make much sense to me at all... unless Dame were to be on the move. Then, the signing of GP2 makes a ton of sense.


Hart is going to start at SF and GP2 isnt a PG so we will be fine.

G - Damian Lillard (34) / Anfernee Simons (14)
G - Anfernee Simons (18) / Gary Payton II (20) / Shadeon Sharpe (10)
F - Josh Hart (28) / Nas Little (20)


IMHO, you’re spot on with every point. Josh Hart should be sharing the guard minutes with Simons at SG … Simons at PG as well. With no deal completed for a starter at SF and no ready-made draftee and Little off of injury and needing to prove that he’s a starter … Hart has to play SF. He can. He has. And probably a better fit than Norman Powell. It’s not disastrous or even BAD as Hart plays a needed role.

That’s no ringing endorsement, but Hart will step up. Payton will step up. Grant gets a big role on a better team (at least better than Detroit) with Dame. There’s some legit reasons for hope this year … but it will take another year to be in the mix.


Exactly. These guys may be comparable talents but they are not sleepwalkers like RoCo or Norm. They will all fight even if we are not a contender - the latter 2 stopped caring far too quickly for my liking.

I would have loved to find a true SF, but given what we were working with that just wasnt in the cards. I have said it a few times, but there is a market defecit for archetypical sized SF who can defend and shoot (And those are the traits we are aiming for at SF).

Hart is better than the other options. He plays every possession hard, he rebounds, mixes it up, can shoot the 3, knows when to move the ball. If he was 6'7 w/ a 6'11 WS rather than 6'5 w/ 6'9 we wouldnt be looking at the best SF since Batum, but a better SF than Batum.

We didnt get to see Josh play when the games meant anything, but I think everyone quickly forgets how well he played (Mostly at SF) during the tank - and he was playing hard, like the games counted, and posting some absurd stat lines in the process.

There is no reason Hart cant be a 15/5/3 on 50/35-38/75 w/ plus rating in nearly all advanced metrics and a better FTr than CJ or Ant. That is an ideal 4th option. In fact this team has 2 ideal 4th options in Nurkic and Hart. The main issue is top tier talent, as I dont think Dame is a true #1 - and if he is counted on you need a better #2 than Ant.

The bickering about losing out on guys like Warren is nonsense, and due to literally no big name movement we cant really argue that we lost out on a real needle mover like we did w/ Butler and PG13. There hasnt been any real needle movement so far this offseason, maybe Gobert but that cost was outlandish (And the twin tower wont work). We didnt lose out on much given the realities of the league right now. We did well in many respects, turning CJ into Hart and Grant and using the TP MLE on a guy that just averaged 20mpg as the best defender in the Finals.

Its been a fine offseason. Anyone that expected much more wasnt taking money, availability and reality into account. We were never going to become a contender overnight. We did well.
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Post#22 » by Shem » Sat Jul 9, 2022 8:33 pm

My cousin who was born and raised in the Bay Area and a die hard Warriors fan is not very pleased by the departure of Payton. So there's that.
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Post#23 » by skoharry » Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:25 pm

I think minutes will go like this
Dame(34)/GP(14)
ANT(30)/Johnson(8)/Sharpe(8)
Hart(28)/Little(16)/Brown(8)/Didi(2)
Grant (32)/Winslow(12)/Watford(4)
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Post#24 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:30 pm

skoharry wrote:I think minutes will go like this
Dame(34)/GP(14)
ANT(30)/Johnson(8)/Sharpe(8)
Hart(28)/Little(16)/Brown(8)/Didi(2)
Grant (32)/Winslow(12)/Watford(4)
Nurkic(32)/Eubanks(14)


GP isnt getting paid the TP MLE to play 14mpg + Nurkic at 32 is asking for injury.

Also, would think Little gets more than 16mpg - he posted some of the best OnCourt and On/Off last season. He was a clear net positive for the most part as a rotation guy. 16mpg isnt enough, assuming health.
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Post#25 » by m0ng0 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:40 pm

I don't see walker getting any minutes which I think could be CRIMINAL
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Post#26 » by Blazinaway » Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:18 pm

m0ng0 wrote:I don't see walker getting any minutes which I think could be CRIMINAL


I think Chauncy will give him some minutes if he earns them
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Post#27 » by Norm2953 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:14 pm

I think Walker will get some time, for the team needs some size in their front court
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Post#28 » by ebott » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:17 pm

Gary is gonna play at least thirty a game. Our bench is an absolute joke. Nobody other than Gary, Little and Watford are any good. Everyone else is just filling time. I know it's a long season, but if the likes of Keon Johnson plays meaningful minutes with Gary on the bench , I'm gonna puke all over the bar.
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Post#29 » by BlazersBroncos » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:50 pm

Keon isnt getting minutes over GP, but I do like him as a prospect and when injuries inevitably happen he should be a fine stopgap.

I think Winslow is a legit rotation guy as long as he is only getting 15-18mpg. Can defend numerous positions, passes well. Just such a bad shooter.

I hope Watford can develop a 35% 3PT shot, makes Winslow and Trendon much more playable in the 2nd unit. That spacing opens up the court a bit for the jumper-less Justice.
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Post#30 » by DaVoiceMaster » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:06 am

ebott wrote:Gary is gonna play at least thirty a game. Our bench is an absolute joke. Nobody other than Gary, Little and Watford are any good. Everyone else is just filling time. I know it's a long season, but if the likes of Keon Johnson plays meaningful minutes with Gary on the bench , I'm gonna puke all over the bar.


I'm not seeing 30 minutes. Lillard will play 34-36 minutes. Simon's will play 32-34 minutes. Hart will play 30-32 minutes. That leaves 42-48 minutes. Little will get half of that. I suppose he could get a few minutes at PF if they play small ball. I'm just not seeing 30 minutes. I think it's closer to 20 minutes.
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Post#31 » by soobias » Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:42 am

correct me if im wrong but arent most rotations only 9 maybe 10 deep ?
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Post#32 » by GEE » Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:48 am

soobias wrote:correct me if im wrong but arent most rotations only 9 maybe 10 deep ?


I think there is a lengthy discussion to be had about this very question, and glad you brought it up. I have been warming up to this new pack of dogs Cronin has assembled, and I'm really starting to get excited about the possibility of a completely different looking basketball TEAM. But that all depends...

Style of Play / Stotts vs. Mr. Big Shot. With Billups' new style and very possible 10-man rotation, I think we will see: Strength in Numbers vs. trying to match up against others' top level talent. Defense first, instead of trying to just outscore other teams. Motion and Passing vs. Isolations and Dribbling. ETC.

Threading the Needle. My only real concern now is Dame, and how he fits in with all of these changes. I have yet to see him play well since the coaching change. There is also the emergence of Simons to be concerned about, because if Simons outplays Dames(which I can envision), with that new extension still freshly signed... idk. I hope it all works well, but Dame's game will need to adjust and I've yet to see that happen, and for all that coin... he better.

On a positive note, if Dame does mesh well, I think we have the necessary pieces to surprise the entire league, and could end up doing quite well next season.

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