Will Carmelo Anthony Legacy Significantly Improve with Time?

[Prospect Dong]

You should learn the facts. Melo spilled the whole tea about it. He didn’t want to leave Denver. But they wanted to rebuild instead of building off the WCF team. They let Dahntay Jones go who was a key piece of the WCF team. They were going to move Chauncey, K Mart and Jr Smith. George Karl was trying to get Melo traded for Derrick Favors.

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Yeah, this is a whole bunch of 'they were going to' stuff trying to save his reputation and then trying to make Dahntay Jones - of all people - sound important because that's the one thing they actually did. Jones posted a PER of 9 that year for Denver, and a -2.9 BMP. Demanding a trade because he was let go would be like Barrett demanding a trade because the Knicks got rid of Alec Burks. Except that Burks was a significantly bigger contributor...

I would suggest rewatching the playoffs that season. Jones was their best perimeter defender and always guarded the opponents team best player. He had a big role on that team and was a tremendous voice in their locker room. Pretty convenient of you to ignore that they wanted to move on from Billups who was the leader of that team and other key pieces like K mart and JR.

Do you have quotes from Denver's management saying they wanted to move on from all their good players even if Melo stayed, or just a quote after the fact from a guy who thinks it would make him look better if they did? Is that guy also claiming that a below-average player who played less than 18mpg in the playoffs and made his team worse when he was on the court was a 'key piece'?

If a one season rental career roleplayer is a 'tremendous voice in your locker room' maybe you need to go out and get, like Chauncey Billups or something, so guys can listen to someone who's actually good at winning basketball. Or maybe that was a job for Melo?

[Swish1906]

You should learn the facts. Melo spilled the whole tea about it. He didn’t want to leave Denver. But they wanted to rebuild instead of building off the WCF team. They let Dahntay Jones go who was a key piece of the WCF team. They were going to move Chauncey, K Mart and Jr Smith. George Karl was trying to get Melo traded for Derrick Favors.

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Yeah, this is a whole bunch of 'they were going to' stuff trying to save his reputation and then trying to make Dahntay Jones - of all people - sound important because that's the one thing they actually did. Jones posted a PER of 9 that year for Denver, and a -2.9 BMP. Demanding a trade because he was let go would be like Barrett demanding a trade because the Knicks got rid of Alec Burks. Except that Burks was a significantly bigger contributor...

I would suggest rewatching the playoffs that season. Jones was their best perimeter defender and always guarded the opponents team best player. He had a big role on that team and was a tremendous voice in their locker room. Pretty convenient of you to ignore that they wanted to move on from Billups who was the leader of that team and other key pieces like K mart and JR.

Jones averaged 17.5 MPG in the playoff run, he not even guarded the "best player" half of the time because... You do the maths. He also didnt defend Dirk in the semifinals as another example.

MAYBE trying to move one from 33y Billups and 32y Martin was legitimate. But of course im not surprised that Anthony tries to save his legacy in such a lame way

[3toheadmelo]

Yeah, this is a whole bunch of 'they were going to' stuff trying to save his reputation and then trying to make Dahntay Jones - of all people - sound important because that's the one thing they actually did. Jones posted a PER of 9 that year for Denver, and a -2.9 BMP. Demanding a trade because he was let go would be like Barrett demanding a trade because the Knicks got rid of Alec Burks. Except that Burks was a significantly bigger contributor...

I would suggest rewatching the playoffs that season. Jones was their best perimeter defender and always guarded the opponents team best player. He had a big role on that team and was a tremendous voice in their locker room. Pretty convenient of you to ignore that they wanted to move on from Billups who was the leader of that team and other key pieces like K mart and JR.

Do you have quotes from Denver's management saying they wanted to move on from all their good players even if Melo stayed, or just a quote after the fact from a guy who thinks it would make him look better if they did? Is that guy also claiming that a below-average player who played less than 18mpg in the playoffs and made his team worse when he was on the court was a 'key piece'?

If a one season rental career roleplayer is a 'tremendous voice in your locker room' maybe you need to go out and get, like Chauncey Billups or something, so guys can listen to someone who's actually good at winning basketball. Or maybe that was a job for Melo?

Denver literally moved on from all of those players I mentioned in 2011. But you want quotes because you don’t believe in reality?

[3toheadmelo]

Yeah, this is a whole bunch of 'they were going to' stuff trying to save his reputation and then trying to make Dahntay Jones - of all people - sound important because that's the one thing they actually did. Jones posted a PER of 9 that year for Denver, and a -2.9 BMP. Demanding a trade because he was let go would be like Barrett demanding a trade because the Knicks got rid of Alec Burks. Except that Burks was a significantly bigger contributor...

I would suggest rewatching the playoffs that season. Jones was their best perimeter defender and always guarded the opponents team best player. He had a big role on that team and was a tremendous voice in their locker room. Pretty convenient of you to ignore that they wanted to move on from Billups who was the leader of that team and other key pieces like K mart and JR.

Jones averaged 17.5 MPG in the playoff run, he not even guarded the "best player" half of the time because... You do the maths. He also didnt defend Dirk in the semifinals as another example.

MAYBE trying to move one from 33y Billups and 32y Martin was legitimate. But of course im not surprised that Anthony tries to save his legacy in such a lame way

Bolded it for you since you missed it. Rewatch the WCF. Who spent the most time guarding Kobe?

[toodles23]

I would suggest rewatching the playoffs that season. Jones was their best perimeter defender and always guarded the opponents team best player. He had a big role on that team and was a tremendous voice in their locker room. Pretty convenient of you to ignore that they wanted to move on from Billups who was the leader of that team and other key pieces like K mart and JR.

Do you have quotes from Denver's management saying they wanted to move on from all their good players even if Melo stayed, or just a quote after the fact from a guy who thinks it would make him look better if they did? Is that guy also claiming that a below-average player who played less than 18mpg in the playoffs and made his team worse when he was on the court was a 'key piece'?

If a one season rental career roleplayer is a 'tremendous voice in your locker room' maybe you need to go out and get, like Chauncey Billups or something, so guys can listen to someone who's actually good at winning basketball. Or maybe that was a job for Melo?

Denver literally moved on from all of those players I mentioned in 2011. But you want quotes because you don’t believe in reality?

Yeah, because Melo demanded out which forced them to rebuild, which they did on the fly and were no worse without Melo. Nobody who was paying attention at the time is buying Melo's story. He wasn't happy that the Nuggets weren't a real contender (a lot of that is down to Melo not being anything like a championship centerpiece), and he wanted to play in New York.

[Raps in 4]

That depends on what your perception of him is. He didn't accomplish **** and was never all that great. He was one of the most overrated players of the last 20 years. He had a similar peak to Chris Bosh (top-15 player in the league). I certainly don't see my perception of him changing with time.

[Prospect Dong]

I would suggest rewatching the playoffs that season. Jones was their best perimeter defender and always guarded the opponents team best player. He had a big role on that team and was a tremendous voice in their locker room. Pretty convenient of you to ignore that they wanted to move on from Billups who was the leader of that team and other key pieces like K mart and JR.

Jones averaged 17.5 MPG in the playoff run, he not even guarded the "best player" half of the time because... You do the maths. He also didnt defend Dirk in the semifinals as another example.

MAYBE trying to move one from 33y Billups and 32y Martin was legitimate. But of course im not surprised that Anthony tries to save his legacy in such a lame way

Bolded it for you since you missed it. Rewatch the WCF. Who spent the most time guarding Kobe?

I'm going to guess it was a guy who averaged more than 17.5 mpg?

[Swish1906]

I would suggest rewatching the playoffs that season. Jones was their best perimeter defender and always guarded the opponents team best player. He had a big role on that team and was a tremendous voice in their locker room. Pretty convenient of you to ignore that they wanted to move on from Billups who was the leader of that team and other key pieces like K mart and JR.

Jones averaged 17.5 MPG in the playoff run, he not even guarded the "best player" half of the time because... You do the maths. He also didnt defend Dirk in the semifinals as another example.

MAYBE trying to move one from 33y Billups and 32y Martin was legitimate. But of course im not surprised that Anthony tries to save his legacy in such a lame way

Bolded it for you since you missed it. Rewatch the WCF. Who spent the most time guarding Kobe?

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Dont know, maybe rewatch the WCF because it wasnt Jones..

[stuporman]

I think the average fan will forget about him real fast if he doesnt seek a media job post career...

And the only reason "he" beat prime Dirk was the reason that he had the way better team around him and every non Dirk Mav choked.
Dirk Nowitzki averaged 34.4 points, 11.6 rebounds and 4.0 assists in 5 games versus the Nuggets in the 2009 Western Conference Semifinals.
Carmelo Anthony averaged 30.0 points, 6.8 rebounds and 3.4 assists in 5 games versus the Mavericks in the 2009 Western Conference Semifinals.

28k points and no jersey retirement anywhere

Doesn't jersey retirement happen after the player retires themselves?

[Swish1906]

I think the average fan will forget about him real fast if he doesnt seek a media job post career...

And the only reason "he" beat prime Dirk was the reason that he had the way better team around him and every non Dirk Mav choked.
Dirk Nowitzki averaged 34.4 points, 11.6 rebounds and 4.0 assists in 5 games versus the Nuggets in the 2009 Western Conference Semifinals.
Carmelo Anthony averaged 30.0 points, 6.8 rebounds and 3.4 assists in 5 games versus the Mavericks in the 2009 Western Conference Semifinals.

28k points and no jersey retirement anywhere

Doesn't jersey retirement happen after the player retires themselves?

Sure. Nuggets wont retire his jersey and the Knicks pretty much distanced themselves from the whole topic...so yes no jersey retirement for him in the future anywhere

[stuporman]

I think the average fan will forget about him real fast if he doesnt seek a media job post career...

And the only reason "he" beat prime Dirk was the reason that he had the way better team around him and every non Dirk Mav choked.
Dirk Nowitzki averaged 34.4 points, 11.6 rebounds and 4.0 assists in 5 games versus the Nuggets in the 2009 Western Conference Semifinals.
Carmelo Anthony averaged 30.0 points, 6.8 rebounds and 3.4 assists in 5 games versus the Mavericks in the 2009 Western Conference Semifinals.

28k points and no jersey retirement anywhere

Doesn't jersey retirement happen after the player retires themselves?

Sure. Nuggets wont retire his jersey and the Knicks pretty much distanced themselves from the whole topic...so yes no jersey retirement for him in the future anywhere

The Knicks haven't let anyone wear 7 since he left but why worry about it before he actually retires...anyhoo

[Gusto1903]

I always liked Melo. I have a tad for smooth af Scorers, who can pull up anywhere on the court. In his prime, he was an unstoppable scorer.

[nomansland]

Probably not. His legacy is forcing his way out of a decent team that made the WCF to a team he led that did jack and ****.

He didn’t force his way out of Denver though. They were going in a younger direction and Melo wanted out.

lol.

Is that what the NY media tells you?

[nomansland]

He didn’t force his way out of Denver though. They were going in a younger direction and Melo wanted out.

This is just crazy talk. Who one earth told you this?

He was annoyed they weren't good enough to contend, sure, but that's typically what forcing your way out looks like. When you're supporting cast is actually pretty decent and you, yourself, aren't really good enough to build a contender around it tends to hurt your legacy...

You should learn the facts. Melo spilled the whole tea about it. He didn’t want to leave Denver. But they wanted to rebuild instead of building off the WCF team. They let Dahntay Jones go who was a key piece of the WCF team. They were going to move Chauncey, K Mart and Jr Smith. George Karl was trying to get Melo traded for Derrick Favors.

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lol Dahntay Jones. Such BS. This is just him re-writing history to try and make himself look good. A real winner with any loyalty would have let the team make moves for the better. KMart was constantly injured and on a terrible contract, there's no way the Nuggets would have traded Chauncey and JR was decent but a headcase. And again, lol Dahntay Jones.

The fact is he was talking about teaming up with other stars at a wedding long before any of this stuff supposedly happened. Lala wanted a reality show. They called Denver a cow town. And he ended up leaving a team with a legit shot at a championship for a team that had no shot.

[BostonCouchGM]

he is the poster child for high usage, no defense chuckers who put up meaningless counting stats that make very little positive impact on wins for his teams making just one deep playoff run his whole career. He did nothing well except shoot jumpers. His NBA career might as well not have happened. That said, that Syracuse championship was mostly him and a lot of fun to watch. Just that season plus his scoring secures him a HoF nod.

[HomoSapien]

No. If anything, I'd wager that he becomes more forgotten as time passes.

[Jaivl]

Anthony will be viewed the exact same way Dominique Wilkins is in about 10 years, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Same type of player.

But worse.

[Mujahydeen]

He was so overrated for so long that I don't see how it can improve even more. It should decrease over time if anything.

His individual playoff showings were mostly bad to awful and he won 3 playoff series his entire career. He played a losing brand of basketball and accomplished nothing compared to many less heralded players.

[Jables]

Peak Carmelo is not getting the credit he deserves, but I feel like he's more of an Alex English or George Gervin of the era than a Dominique Wilkins. Still his time with the Nuggets is practically forgotten. Contrary to casual opinion he did have some very good playoff performances.

[NoStatsGuy]

he is one of the most talented offensive players ever and will be a HOF'er. hate it or love it.

melo doesnt fit in well, in this era and made some really bad decisions for his legacy. but this forum will never appreciate melo for his skills. earlier in their careers melo cooked lebron almost everytime they metched up (personal match up, not talking about which team won).

put melo on the pistons in 2003 and his career will be vastly different. Same i could say about boston and tatum, put young melo on that brad stevens coached boston team and it will be a different story. every career and its development is strongly related to the environment they get drafted in.

lets be honest, in NY melo never had a good coach or teammates in terms of competing for a ring. could melo have done more with his talent? for sure! Melo just didnt develop in that kind of player, that lifts a team by himself. He could have probably been the best #2 option in NBA history. Melo has never been the strongest leader but almost every night was by far the most talented player on the court for the most part of his career.

melo is a legendary offensive player, that alone justifies hall of fame status.