2022 Free Agency

[winforlose]

In a recent podcast, Dane Moore reminded me of something that I wanted to mention here.

I think most would agree that Austin Rivers is a good enough NBA player that many teams would offer him a vet min deal. So why sign with MIN?

Sure, Connely has a relationship with him and several players, and that helps. But unlike previous seasons, MIN offers the likelihood of reaching the playoffs. For a player like Rivers, this means you may get seen in a more dramatic way to potential future employers. Rivers still only got the min, but it probably helped his career more to do an adequate job slowing down Curry in the playoffs, than it did to soldier on through DEN’s regular season.

Hopefully this will help us get a better quality of free agent in the future, whether for the vet min or in other signings. MIN has probably always been a last choice, and in the past, we’ve had to overpay a few guys to get them here. Maybe becoming a little better free agent destination is another piece of added value from the Gobert trade? Boogie?

I wonder if Russell thinks the same way. I mean there is NO other team in NBA that might help him more to be a successful player. He is flawed as hell: injury and turnover prone, limited defender, does not slash, very inconsistent. But. Current MIN is the best situation for him, just run pick-n-rolls, involve two elite bigs.

Dlo is supposed to be BFFs with KAT. He is supposed to love our fan base, especially after we listened to him and responded to his call. He is supposed to feel a sense of brotherhood with Ant and MCD and the rest of the returning wolf pack. Is this not worth a discount to go win 3 rings? Does he not see the dynasty potential of Prime Gobert, Prime KAT, Prime Dlo and Ant coming into his prime? Dlo isn’t just in his best spot here, Dlo might never find the quality of life outside of basketball as good anywhere else. He might not like Finch benching him, but he should like the message it sends about accountability. Dlo needs to ask if making 3-7 mil elsewhere (about half of which goes to his agent and tax, not to mention higher taxes in a lot of other states,) is worth leaving a great situation.

[winforlose]

Saw this on hoopshype “Vasilije Micic will remain in Europe next season


Misko Raznatovic: Back to back EL F4 mvp, Vasilije Micic will play next season for Anadolu Efes! #BeoBasket – via Twitter”

Guess the guy is to shortsighted to try and make it in the big money league. Also possible the Thunder didn’t get an offer they like or want to give someone up to make room for him.

[Klomp]

In a recent podcast, Dane Moore reminded me of something that I wanted to mention here.

I think most would agree that Austin Rivers is a good enough NBA player that many teams would offer him a vet min deal. So why sign with MIN?

Sure, Connely has a relationship with him and several players, and that helps. But unlike previous seasons, MIN offers the likelihood of reaching the playoffs. For a player like Rivers, this means you may get seen in a more dramatic way to potential future employers. Rivers still only got the min, but it probably helped his career more to do an adequate job slowing down Curry in the playoffs, than it did to soldier on through DEN’s regular season.

Hopefully this will help us get a better quality of free agent in the future, whether for the vet min or in other signings. MIN has probably always been a last choice, and in the past, we’ve had to overpay a few guys to get them here. Maybe becoming a little better free agent destination is another piece of added value from the Gobert trade? Boogie?

I wonder if Russell thinks the same way. I mean there is NO other team in NBA that might help him more to be a successful player. He is flawed as hell: injury and turnover prone, limited defender, does not slash, very inconsistent. But. Current MIN is the best situation for him, just run pick-n-rolls, involve two elite bigs.

Dlo is supposed to be BFFs with KAT. He is supposed to love our fan base, especially after we listened to him and responded to his call. He is supposed to feel a sense of brotherhood with Ant and MCD and the rest of the returning wolf pack. Is this not worth a discount to go win 3 rings? Does he not see the dynasty potential of Prime Gobert, Prime KAT, Prime Dlo and Ant coming into his prime? Dlo isn’t just in his best spot here, Dlo might never find the quality of life outside of basketball as good anywhere else. He might not like Finch benching him, but he should like the message it sends about accountability. Dlo needs to ask if making 3-7 mil elsewhere (about half of which goes to his agent and tax, not to mention higher taxes in a lot of other states,) is worth leaving a great situation.

So many overused and cliche narratives in this post.

[winforlose]

I wonder if Russell thinks the same way. I mean there is NO other team in NBA that might help him more to be a successful player. He is flawed as hell: injury and turnover prone, limited defender, does not slash, very inconsistent. But. Current MIN is the best situation for him, just run pick-n-rolls, involve two elite bigs.

Dlo is supposed to be BFFs with KAT. He is supposed to love our fan base, especially after we listened to him and responded to his call. He is supposed to feel a sense of brotherhood with Ant and MCD and the rest of the returning wolf pack. Is this not worth a discount to go win 3 rings? Does he not see the dynasty potential of Prime Gobert, Prime KAT, Prime Dlo and Ant coming into his prime? Dlo isn’t just in his best spot here, Dlo might never find the quality of life outside of basketball as good anywhere else. He might not like Finch benching him, but he should like the message it sends about accountability. Dlo needs to ask if making 3-7 mil elsewhere (about half of which goes to his agent and tax, not to mention higher taxes in a lot of other states,) is worth leaving a great situation.

So many overused and cliche narratives in this post.

Lol, elaborate?

[Dewey]

In a recent podcast, Dane Moore reminded me of something that I wanted to mention here.

I think most would agree that Austin Rivers is a good enough NBA player that many teams would offer him a vet min deal. So why sign with MIN?

Sure, Connely has a relationship with him and several players, and that helps. But unlike previous seasons, MIN offers the likelihood of reaching the playoffs. For a player like Rivers, this means you may get seen in a more dramatic way to potential future employers. Rivers still only got the min, but it probably helped his career more to do an adequate job slowing down Curry in the playoffs, than it did to soldier on through DEN’s regular season.

Hopefully this will help us get a better quality of free agent in the future, whether for the vet min or in other signings. MIN has probably always been a last choice, and in the past, we’ve had to overpay a few guys to get them here. Maybe becoming a little better free agent destination is another piece of added value from the Gobert trade? Boogie?

I wonder if Russell thinks the same way. I mean there is NO other team in NBA that might help him more to be a successful player. He is flawed as hell: injury and turnover prone, limited defender, does not slash, very inconsistent. But. Current MIN is the best situation for him, just run pick-n-rolls, involve two elite bigs.

I’m not a huge DLo fan, but this is kind of aggressive … then again … he is a max player so expectations are fair. If he can put the team first and orchestrate the offense efficiently, we need to accept some limit defense. All this said, DLo simply needs to exceed expectations when it comes to his effort and show some never-die resilience. Players feed off that … see Beverly

[Klomp]

I think the potential last signing comes down to how the coaching staff and front office view Naz Reid. If they think he has zero flexibility to play PF, I think they go with someone like Paul Millsap. If Reid has some flexibility, Cousins probably becomes the guy as he has more left in the tank.

[Klomp]

Dlo is supposed to be BFFs with KAT. He is supposed to love our fan base, especially after we listened to him and responded to his call. He is supposed to feel a sense of brotherhood with Ant and MCD and the rest of the returning wolf pack. Is this not worth a discount to go win 3 rings? Does he not see the dynasty potential of Prime Gobert, Prime KAT, Prime Dlo and Ant coming into his prime? Dlo isn’t just in his best spot here, Dlo might never find the quality of life outside of basketball as good anywhere else. He might not like Finch benching him, but he should like the message it sends about accountability. Dlo needs to ask if making 3-7 mil elsewhere (about half of which goes to his agent and tax, not to mention higher taxes in a lot of other states,) is worth leaving a great situation.

So many overused and cliche narratives in this post.

Lol, elaborate?

The Towns and Russell friendship.
I don't even know what body part you're pulling the fan base and brotherhood comments from.
Thinking that the whole thing is about the benching.
The whole quality of life thing.
Thinking that "great situations" should drastically alter how much money a player makes.

[minimus]

I think the potential last signing comes down to how the coaching staff and front office view Naz Reid. If they think he has zero flexibility to play PF, I think they go with someone like Paul Millsap. If Reid has some flexibility, Cousins probably becomes the guy as he has more left in the tank.

I think Millsap is more C now. Saying this I’d target a PF/SF

[winforlose]

So many overused and cliche narratives in this post.

Lol, elaborate?

The Towns and Russell friendship.
I don't even know what body part you're pulling the fan base and brotherhood comments from.
Thinking that the whole thing is about the benching.
The whole quality of life thing.
Thinking that "great situations" should drastically alter how much money a player makes.

Towns, Russell, Booker friendship is well documented. The quiet fans stuff which led to standing until we score. The overarching narrative of last season was how close these guys are the chemistry they built, how they all hang out together and love playing together. Benching is more speculation I have heard from the talking heads and fan boards. Quality of life is a function of being wanted and playing with/for people you like and on a team with a real contending window.

Let’s use hypothetical numbers to address your last point. Say Dlo wants at least 30 and we want to give him at most 25. Let’s say 10-15% goes to his agent, 37% goes to federal taxes and 9.85% to state taxes. I don’t know his deductions and maybe he can get the whole thing down a few points, I am not much of a tax guy. But my point is on the extra 5 mil if he can get elsewhere (big if,) he might pocket 2-3 mil. Now higher cost of living in different states as well as higher sales taxes and other factors might make that money go less far. If he is happy here, and in a position to succeed, is it worth it to chase the 2-3 mil? He might say yes absolutely. Or he might realize that he might make that up and then some in the long term putting up great numbers here, and enjoy his life more while doing it (because he is here.) Thus, maybe a discount now makes sense.

[andyhop]

Guess the guy is to shortsighted to try and make it in the big money league. Also possible the Thunder didn’t get an offer they like or want to give someone up to make room for him.

It would cost him millions to play in the NBA given his current situation.

[winforlose]

Guess the guy is to shortsighted to try and make it in the big money league. Also possible the Thunder didn’t get an offer they like or want to give someone up to make room for him.

It would cost him millions to play in the NBA given his current situation.

On his first contract. But if he did well he could have made considerably more on his second.

[SO_MONEY]

Guess the guy is to shortsighted to try and make it in the big money league. Also possible the Thunder didn’t get an offer they like or want to give someone up to make room for him.

It would cost him millions to play in the NBA given his current situation.

On his first contract. But if he did well he could have made considerably more on his second.

How is it costing him money?

He could sign a MAX contract if offered.

[andyhop]

It would cost him millions to play in the NBA given his current situation.

On his first contract. But if he did well he could have made considerably more on his second.

How is it costing him money?

He could sign a MAX contract if offered.

Because either OKC won't pay him or he just doesnt want to play for them , so his only way out is to play for the 2nd round tender offer costing him millions and hope in the future he makes up the money

[SO_MONEY]

On his first contract. But if he did well he could have made considerably more on his second.

How is it costing him money?

He could sign a MAX contract if offered.

Because either OKC won't pay him or he just doesnt want to play for them , so his only way out is to play for the 2nd round tender offer costing him millions and hope in the future he makes up the money

Got it.

Thanks.

[winforlose]

On his first contract. But if he did well he could have made considerably more on his second.

How is it costing him money?

He could sign a MAX contract if offered.

Because either OKC won't pay him or he just doesnt want to play for them , so his only way out is to play for the 2nd round tender offer costing him millions and hope in the future he makes up the money

This is not my area, but what happens if he declares he wants to come to OKC and they don’t have a roster spot for him. Am I correct that if they don’t allow him to come they have renounced his rights? In that situation, how does bargaining work? How many years can they make him take the minimum to come over? It seems like an interesting area for the NBAPA. Especially in a situation like this where the player has waited so long to come over.

[Klomp]

How is it costing him money?

He could sign a MAX contract if offered.

Because either OKC won't pay him or he just doesnt want to play for them , so his only way out is to play for the 2nd round tender offer costing him millions and hope in the future he makes up the money

This is not my area, but what happens if he declares he wants to come to OKC and they don’t have a roster spot for him. Am I correct that if they don’t allow him to come they have renounced his rights? In that situation, how does bargaining work? How many years can they make him take the minimum to come over? It seems like an interesting area for the NBAPA. Especially in a situation like this where the player has waited so long to come over.

You're not understanding it.

If they don't have a roster spot, they don't have a roster spot. They still have his rights.

[winforlose]

Because either OKC won't pay him or he just doesnt want to play for them , so his only way out is to play for the 2nd round tender offer costing him millions and hope in the future he makes up the money

This is not my area, but what happens if he declares he wants to come to OKC and they don’t have a roster spot for him. Am I correct that if they don’t allow him to come they have renounced his rights? In that situation, how does bargaining work? How many years can they make him take the minimum to come over? It seems like an interesting area for the NBAPA. Especially in a situation like this where the player has waited so long to come over.

You're not understanding it.

If they don't have a roster spot, they don't have a roster spot. They still have his rights.

Granted, but what are his rights in this situation. If he wants to come and they say no does he have recourse?

[Klomp]

This is not my area, but what happens if he declares he wants to come to OKC and they don’t have a roster spot for him. Am I correct that if they don’t allow him to come they have renounced his rights? In that situation, how does bargaining work? How many years can they make him take the minimum to come over? It seems like an interesting area for the NBAPA. Especially in a situation like this where the player has waited so long to come over.

You're not understanding it.

If they don't have a roster spot, they don't have a roster spot. They still have his rights.

Granted, but what are his rights in this situation. If he wants to come and they say no does he have recourse?

A renouncement has to be mutual. If the team doesn't want to sign, renounce or trade him, then he's kinda stuck.

[KGdaBom]

Because either OKC won't pay him or he just doesnt want to play for them , so his only way out is to play for the 2nd round tender offer costing him millions and hope in the future he makes up the money

This is not my area, but what happens if he declares he wants to come to OKC and they don’t have a roster spot for him. Am I correct that if they don’t allow him to come they have renounced his rights? In that situation, how does bargaining work? How many years can they make him take the minimum to come over? It seems like an interesting area for the NBAPA. Especially in a situation like this where the player has waited so long to come over.

You're not understanding it.

If they don't have a roster spot, they don't have a roster spot. They still have his rights.

I get the idea though. If a team drafts a player, but then refuses to utilize him for many years despite the player having the ability and desire to play there should be some recourse for the player.

[KGdaBom]

You're not understanding it.

If they don't have a roster spot, they don't have a roster spot. They still have his rights.

Granted, but what are his rights in this situation. If he wants to come and they say no does he have recourse?

A renouncement has to be mutual. If the team doesn't want to sign, renounce or trade him, then he's kinda stuck.

And that's messed up.