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Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

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Re: Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!! 

Post#401 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:24 am

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When the team's primary option is Randle he doesn't do much for team chemistry, his assists don't translate into great team offense. With no PG to run the offense a young guy like RJ as a second option often is generating his own opportunities so it will result as inconsistent production and the team suffers because they need him to produce effectively and efficiently.

With a PG like Brunson who will be getting the team into sets, breaking down the defense and spraying the ball around when he isn't converting at the high rate he's known for RJ will benefit from the stability and consistency he brings as a PG. So it's possible he will improve his efficiency and consistency even if his counting stats and shots go down a little bit because he's now the third option.

Of course if Mitchell comes along that forces RJ even further down the food chain on offense but this is the long run could be an incredible opportunity for him to work on his game and improve without the pressure of the team's fortunes falling on him and his development. Which means in 4 years when he's coming into his own prime we will see a more finished product without lamenting the growing pains.


It comes down to two things.. 1 not really committing to your 3rd pick as any kind of franchise player and 2 not really knowing how to build a team properly.


I think labels like 'franchise player' get thrown around casually but we have to take those labels and throw them away completely. RJ was one of the youngest players in his draft class and was coming in having quite a few things to improve on since he was so young relying on natural talent so much.

A team getting the number 3 pick is going to be a pretty bad one and the previous regime didn't have a real clear vision for the team. Then a change in FO with them spinning the player carousel trying to level up the talent didn't do him any favors but he still improved every season.

Let's see if the vision this FO has for the team can stabilize the franchise and allow RJ to flourish so possibly reach his potential. He may not ever become a number 1 option but a player who is a super productive well rounded 2nd or 3 option is very valuable to winning teams.

Time will tell obviously.


I disagree. A franchise player is a player you build around if you don't have one you're not winning anything.

Tim Duncan was a franchise player, Steph Curry is a franchise player. Do you really think Golden State plays the same style of basketball of which they revolutionized without Steph Curry?

Lebron James is a franchise player. Kevin Garnett was a franchise player. These are guys that are so good you build around them.

If you don't have one or don't know what one looks like then WTF are we doing here?

Is RJ a franchise player? I don't know they haven't treated him like one.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!! 

Post#402 » by Ghetto Gospel » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:25 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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Yours were fake, the only person who posted the right ones was me, doesn't matter who was closer you were passing off fraud.

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i showed my work and my stats. i didn't pass off anything as fraud like obimuse :lol: pitiful

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Your numbers were fraud, missing 1/3 of the games, if those were your taxes the IRS would be auditing you right now getting you ready for the Wesley Snipes treatment.

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yet i did not claim that it was 20 and above, my claim was above 20 as was properly disclosed with the link i sent.

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Re: Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!! 

Post#403 » by stuporman » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:25 am

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It comes down to two things.. 1 not really committing to your 3rd pick as any kind of franchise player and 2 not really knowing how to build a team properly.


I think labels like 'franchise player' get thrown around casually but we have to take those labels and throw them away completely. RJ was one of the youngest players in his draft class and was coming in having quite a few things to improve on since he was so young relying on natural talent so much.

A team getting the number 3 pick is going to be a pretty bad one and the previous regime didn't have a real clear vision for the team. Then a change in FO with them spinning the player carousel trying to level up the talent didn't do him any favors but he still improved every season.

Let's see if the vision this FO has for the team can stabilize the franchise and allow RJ to flourish so possibly reach his potential. He may not ever become a number 1 option but a player who is a super productive well rounded 2nd or 3 option is very valuable to winning teams.

Time will tell obviously.


Why can't we just do what the suns did with ayton and just let him go try to get paid next year and then match it, seems like that's the way to handle it


Maybe, yea, let the market set his value, sure. If the FO keeps open the lines of communication with him and let him know that's what is going on then the relationship won't suffer. I'm not sure the Suns did it that way, I hope the Knicks if deciding to do it similar but do it better keeping him in the loop.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!! 

Post#404 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:27 am

Donovan Mitchell is not a franchise player which is exactly what Ainge was able to identify and the reason why he's trading him.
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Post#405 » by stuporman » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:28 am

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stuporman wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
It comes down to two things.. 1 not really committing to your 3rd pick as any kind of franchise player and 2 not really knowing how to build a team properly.


I think labels like 'franchise player' get thrown around casually but we have to take those labels and throw them away completely. RJ was one of the youngest players in his draft class and was coming in having quite a few things to improve on since he was so young relying on natural talent so much.

A team getting the number 3 pick is going to be a pretty bad one and the previous regime didn't have a real clear vision for the team. Then a change in FO with them spinning the player carousel trying to level up the talent didn't do him any favors but he still improved every season.

Let's see if the vision this FO has for the team can stabilize the franchise and allow RJ to flourish so possibly reach his potential. He may not ever become a number 1 option but a player who is a super productive well rounded 2nd or 3 option is very valuable to winning teams.

Time will tell obviously.


I disagree. A franchise player is a player you build around if you don't have one you're not winning anything.

Tim Duncan was a franchise player, Steph Curry is a franchise player. Do you really think Golden State plays the same style of basketball of which they revolutionized without Steph Curry?

Lebron James is a franchise player. Kevin Garnett was a franchise player. These are guys that are so good you build around them.

If you don't have one or don't know what one looks like then WTF are we doing here?

Is RJ a franchise player? I don't know they haven't treated him like one.


You can disagree but all you did was throw out the names of generational talents as if that explains it yet it doesn't. It's a bullisht label that is useless but keeps fans like you using it as if it means something.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!! 

Post#406 » by Ghetto Gospel » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:28 am

ibraheim718 wrote:Donovan Mitchell is not a franchise player which is exactly what Ainge was able to identify and the reason why he's trading him.


yeah, but he'd be the closest thing we have to one
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Post#407 » by snadler » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:30 am

ibraheim718 wrote:Donovan Mitchell is not a franchise player which is exactly what Ainge was able to identify and the reason why he's trading him.


R u sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the jazz are all in on the tank?
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Post#408 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:31 am

stuporman wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
stuporman wrote:
I think labels like 'franchise player' get thrown around casually but we have to take those labels and throw them away completely. RJ was one of the youngest players in his draft class and was coming in having quite a few things to improve on since he was so young relying on natural talent so much.

A team getting the number 3 pick is going to be a pretty bad one and the previous regime didn't have a real clear vision for the team. Then a change in FO with them spinning the player carousel trying to level up the talent didn't do him any favors but he still improved every season.

Let's see if the vision this FO has for the team can stabilize the franchise and allow RJ to flourish so possibly reach his potential. He may not ever become a number 1 option but a player who is a super productive well rounded 2nd or 3 option is very valuable to winning teams.

Time will tell obviously.


I disagree. A franchise player is a player you build around if you don't have one you're not winning anything.

Tim Duncan was a franchise player, Steph Curry is a franchise player. Do you really think Golden State plays the same style of basketball of which they revolutionized without Steph Curry?

Lebron James is a franchise player. Kevin Garnett was a franchise player. These are guys that are so good you build around them.

If you don't have one or don't know what one looks like then WTF are we doing here?

Is RJ a franchise player? I don't know they haven't treated him like one.


You can disagree but all you did was throw out the names of generational talents as if that explains it yet it doesn't. It's a bullisht label that is useless but keeps fans like you using it as if it means something.


:lol: Aight man. It's a bull label yet used ubiquitously in sports. You guys don't like to play by the rules so you argue yourselves in circles.

BTW "generational" is a label. :lol:
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Post#409 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:32 am

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ibraheim718 wrote:Donovan Mitchell is not a franchise player which is exactly what Ainge was able to identify and the reason why he's trading him.


R u sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the jazz are all in on the tank?


They wouldn't be in on the the tank if they thought Mitchell was s a player worth building around.
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Post#410 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:33 am

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ibraheim718 wrote:Donovan Mitchell is not a franchise player which is exactly what Ainge was able to identify and the reason why he's trading him.


yeah, but he'd be the closest thing we have to one


So you're into monopoly money not real money?
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Post#411 » by snadler » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:35 am

ibraheim718 wrote:
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ibraheim718 wrote:Donovan Mitchell is not a franchise player which is exactly what Ainge was able to identify and the reason why he's trading him.


R u sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the jazz are all in on the tank?


They wouldn't be in on the the tank if they thought Mitchell was s a player worth building around.



So one player is good enough to build an entire team around? There are about 3 players in the entire sport that fit that category. It’s a stupid losing argument you are making
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Post#412 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:35 am

If some of you don't think RJ Barrett's self-confidence takes a hit when a franchise behaves like a fiending crackhead you're crazy. He knows they don't believe in his talent. He can fake it and hide but trust me he knows.
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Post#413 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:36 am

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R u sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the jazz are all in on the tank?


They wouldn't be in on the the tank if they thought Mitchell was s a player worth building around.



So one player is good enough to build an entire team around? There are about 3 players in the entire sport that fit that category. It’s a stupid losing argument you are making


I count way more than 3 I don't know what league you're following.
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Post#414 » by robillionaire » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:37 am

ibraheim718 wrote:
snadler wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:Donovan Mitchell is not a franchise player which is exactly what Ainge was able to identify and the reason why he's trading him.


R u sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the jazz are all in on the tank?


They wouldn't be in on the the tank if they thought Mitchell was s a player worth building around.


he is a player worth building around for some other team, just not for them because it's well known that he doesn't want to be there anymore
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Post#415 » by Ghetto Gospel » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:37 am

ibraheim718 wrote:
Ghetto Gospel wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:Donovan Mitchell is not a franchise player which is exactly what Ainge was able to identify and the reason why he's trading him.


yeah, but he'd be the closest thing we have to one


So you're into monopoly money not real money?


i'd like to think it's more, given the choice between cubic zirconia and a pebble, i'll take the cubic zirconia
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Post#416 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:38 am

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yeah, but he'd be the closest thing we have to one


So you're into monopoly money not real money?


i'd like to think it's more, given the choice between cubic zirconia and a pebble, i'll take the cubic zirconia


That is so **** sad man. :lol:
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Post#417 » by Ghetto Gospel » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:38 am

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So you're into monopoly money not real money?


i'd like to think it's more, given the choice between cubic zirconia and a pebble, i'll take the cubic zirconia


That is so **** sad man. :lol:


show me where the real money is, and don't say it's RJ
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Post#418 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:40 am

robillionaire wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
snadler wrote:
R u sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the jazz are all in on the tank?


They wouldn't be in on the the tank if they thought Mitchell was s a player worth building around.


he is a player worth building around for some other team, just not for them because it's well known that he doesn't want to be there anymore


He ain't that guy.. he's just the next guy I'm going to come on here and flame when he disappoints everyone. Some of you are going to believe in him and he's going to let you down just like he let Jazz fans down when they were up 3-1 on Denver.

You know the only time Knicks fans were on the right path was when they were going to protest at MSG.
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Post#419 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:41 am

Ghetto Gospel wrote:
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i'd like to think it's more, given the choice between cubic zirconia and a pebble, i'll take the cubic zirconia


That is so **** sad man. :lol:


show me where the real money is, and don't say it's RJ


The real money is to root against the team. :lol:
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Post#420 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:44 am

I don't think you understand the elation I felt when the Pacers sent fat melo home with HCA or when little Trae Young showed Julius Randle the door with HCA. Why settle for what this franchise puts out? If we all were unified on the Dark Side and rooted for Failure so bad that James Dolan would be too embarrassed to leave his penthouse we'd be much happier.

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