Let Danny Ainge Rot

[gavran]

How entitled can you be to make a thread like this?

and then you wonder people laugh at the knicks fanbase

pathetic.

They laugh at your fanbase too, deservedly so. Matter of fact, every fanbase is laughed at by a good chunk of people.

[Tukkerwolf]

he got 4 unprotected firsts, a pick swap,

No. He didn't.

[OrangeBlueSkies]

How entitled can you be to make a thread like this?

and then you wonder people laugh at the knicks fanbase

pathetic.

Entitled is the one asking for six first round picks. You probably cant even define entitled or used it in the wrong context, you chump.

[DrCoach]

Some of the best trades you make is the ones you dont make

Knicks arent paying 7 1st rd picks for mitchel

Ainge wants to tank for Victor, mitchell on the team wont accomplish that

[OrangeBlueSkies]

He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem

Yes, im sure he has no problem letting the Knicks rot in the play-in

, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

Yes, something like Turner and Hield since Randle "doesnt move the needle" and his contract cost two FRP to dump

A 20/10 guy making 23 million aint all that bad. I rather pay Randle than a guy like Duncan Robinson 18 million to sit on a bench. When you look at the numbers players are getting paid today, Randle's contract aint all that bad like REALGM wants it to be.

The whole point here is that the Knicks have the most assets to acquire a disgruntled star, that is no secret. Whether it is Spider Mitchell, Durant, or the next guy to want out [Embiid, Zion?], we are that team with the assets to trade and still have a chance to compete now. We dont need to wash away 6 out of 8 tradable first-round picks for Mitchell. That is paying a Danny Ainge tax, and we do not need to do that. We can break apart our assets into two separate trades and improve this roster dramatically. For those who do not understand, had we wanted, we had enough picks to make BOTH the Dejaunte Murray and the Rudy Gobert trades.

[Swish1906]

He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem

Yes, im sure he has no problem letting the Knicks rot in the play-in

, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

Yes, something like Turner and Hield since Randle "doesnt move the needle" and his contract cost two FRP to dump

A 20/10 guy making 23 million aint all that bad. I rather pay Randle than a guy like Duncan Robinson 18 million to sit on a bench. When you look at the numbers players are getting paid today, Randle's contract aint all that bad like REALGM wants it to be.

The whole point here is that the Knicks have the most assets to acquire a disgruntled star, that is no secret. Whether it is Spider Mitchell, Durant, or the next guy to want out [Embiid, Zion?], we are that team with the assets to trade and still have a chance to compete now. We dont need to wash away 6 out of 8 tradable first-round picks for Mitchell. That is paying a Danny Ainge tax, and we do not need to do that. We can break apart our assets into two separate trades and improve this roster dramatically. For those who do not understand, had we wanted, we had enough picks to make BOTH the Dejaunte Murray and the Rudy Gobert trades.

Randle and his contract has negative value around the league, its really not that hard. Dont care comparisons with other negative contracts.

You have to ADD FRPs to move Randle.

Most non Knicks FRP "assets" are also pretty meh because they all are heavily protected

Also no need to run always to the GB with Knicks board topics

[OrangeBlueSkies]

Knicks should probably hold out with whatever package they're offering I guess.
That being said, no way BKN takes that ugly trade you suggested.

I agree with your first sentence. My "ugly trade" was just me stating hey, if we do not want to get fleeced by Danny Ainge, let's call up the Nets. We have more picks to trade than any team not named SAS, UTAH, OKC, and NOP. And out of those four teams, the only team that can trade for KD and compete with him these next two seasons would be the Pelicans [and the Knicks]. Randle, Grimes, 4 or 5 first round picks... tell me how the Nets turn that down if they REALLY are looking to deal Durant?

[Pointgod]

I don’t think either team has more leverage over the other. This is classic Danny Ainge trying pump up the trade value of his players. Knicks would be stupid to fall for this considering that Mitchell is a poor fit with the rest of how the team is presently constructed. Just like the Nets found out the market for KD isn’t what they think it is, the Knicks can set the market for Mitchell if they really insist on getting him, it should be at fair value.

[ConSarnit]

Knicks should probably hold out with whatever package they're offering I guess.
That being said, no way BKN takes that ugly trade you suggested.

I agree with your first sentence. My "ugly trade" was just me stating hey, if we do not want to get fleeced by Danny Ainge, let's call up the Nets. We have more picks to trade than any team not named SAS, UTAH, OKC, and NOP. And out of those four teams, the only team that can trade for KD and compete with him these next two seasons would be the Pelicans [and the Knicks]. Randle, Grimes, 4 or 5 first round picks... tell me how the Nets turn that down if they REALLY are looking to deal Durant?

If the reports are true then BKN wants good young players and picks. While the Knicks prospects are ok they aren’t good enough to keep BKN afloat (let’s say a play-in team) for the next few years. Randle is also a bad fit with Simmons.

BKN wants win-now(ish) players because they can’t tank because they don’t control any of their own picks. I agree the Knicks can offer a lot picks-wise but they don’t have much that helps BKN in the shorter term (and I doubt they want to trade RJ, who is really the only blue chip piece the Knicks have and even his value is debatable given he’ll need an extension). Grimes is what, a bench guard? And Randle is likely negative value. None of that helps BKN stay competitive.

BKN isn’t going to want to be the 11th seed, have no high income picks (due to KD still being very good) for 4 years AND not have any high upside young talent in the pipeline.

[Grubie024]

The Murray & Gobert trades completely screwed up the trade market.

Neither of them were worth those deals.

People keep saying Wolves and Hawks overpaid. Maybe crappy firsts aren't worth what fans think they are.

[TwitterFingers]

How entitled can you be to make a thread like this?

and then you wonder people laugh at the knicks fanbase

pathetic.

Yeah making an opinion based thread on realgm that Ainge’s asking price is too high is the epitome of entitlement.

/sarcasm

[Swish1906]

How entitled can you be to make a thread like this?

and then you wonder people laugh at the knicks fanbase

pathetic.

Yeah making an opinion based thread on realgm that Ainge’s asking price is too high is the epitome of entitlement.

/sarcasm

Yeah it is when you on the same time overrate your own assets (heavily protected future picks, own player on a terrible contract etc)

[bisme37]

How entitled can you be to make a thread like this?

and then you wonder people laugh at the knicks fanbase

pathetic.

Entitled is the one asking for six first round picks. You probably cant even define entitled or used it in the wrong context, you chump.

Orange and svart, I don't want to have to bust out a fearsome "official warning" so please stop insulting each other k thx.

[Laimbeer]

Just saying, there's Miami but I think also Orlando could give back a very interesting package.
This is not a Kyrie to LA situation, Mitchell does have a market.

I doubt Orlando wants to rush the rebuild and the Heat don't have as many tradeable assets, imo.

[mg]

I think at some point cooler heads will prevail. There's no other team that has assets/picks to make such a deal with the Jazz. OKC is the only other team that has stockpiled enough picks and they certainly aren't trading 6 of them for Mitchell.

Ainge has a need to win every trade but he's likely not going to find another Minnesota deal out there. At this point he's too far down the road and probably needs to deal Mitchell. He also needs to be a little more realistic in terms of the # of draft picks he will get. It's all a part of the negotiation. Of course you initially ask for the moon and usually there is a compromise that works for both teams... We will just have to wait and see how it all plays out.

[djsunyc]

going all in for donovan mitchell?

Read on Twitter

[Antinomy]

The Murray & Gobert trades completely screwed up the trade market.

Neither of them were worth those deals.

People keep saying Wolves and Hawks overpaid. Maybe crappy firsts aren't worth what fans think they are.

Teams were afraid to trade 1st round picks for YEARS after what Billy King did in Brooklyn.

Franchises like the Hawks & Wolves have constantly teetered on the swing of mediocrity — and they’ve moved picks that are 5 years out.

All it takes is one bad year to convey a top pick.

[Darthlukey]

He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem, let Mitchell ruin your tank and just have yourself a disgruntled superstar. We have all the assets and therefore we, the Knicks, can dictate how this goes down.

Don’t wanna trade us D Mitchell? Hey Brooklyn, how’s Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose for KD?

We have 8 firsts at our disposal, don’t mess this up, and like I been saying since this regime took over, I’ve got faith in them not messing this up.

Even four firsts is a lot of picks, but if we can do fournier, Reddish, 4 firsts, I’m into it. If not let Danny [and unfortunately, Donovan] rot.

The less we give up in a Mitchell deal the more we have for a follow up deal to pair another star next to RJ:Brunson:Mitchell.

Yes, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

how Knicks' fan thinks their assets look.



how Knicks assets really look.

Har har har.

If these assets weren't so valuable, why is Ainge so adamant about grabbing as many as he can?

Quantity instead of quality maybe?

[Darthlukey]

The Murray & Gobert trades completely screwed up the trade market.

Neither of them were worth those deals.

People keep saying Wolves and Hawks overpaid. Maybe crappy firsts aren't worth what fans think they are.

Teams were afraid to trade 1st round picks for YEARS after what Billy King did in Brooklyn.

Franchises like the Hawks & Wolves have constantly teetered on the swing of mediocrity — and they’ve moved picks that are 5 years out.

All it takes is one bad year to convey a top pick.

The irony being is that the Nets were a team to do it again

[babyjax13]

I think it's a bit silly to think that Utah has to deal with the Knicks. Someone will make an offer Danny likes, or he will decide to build around Mitchell. Now, I'm not the biggest fan of Ainge, either - but we know how he operates and it doesn't involve capitulation when he thinks he's right.