Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

[Jalen Bluntson]

What were Burks numbers as a starting PG? I seem to recall a drop across the board for him. Perhaps I'm not remembering correctly?

Not sure,and I don't want to fall into that diversionary rabbit hole....The original point is that all indicators show that OBI should at least be given a chance to start.

I'm just questioning this undying love of how great Burks is supposed to be. He's a bench player. Having him start certainly didn't help things for the rest of the team. Obi...he got the shaft for no reason. Everyone knows he should have gotten more minutes.

[knicks1999]

The Greek basketball world was shaken when SDNA.gr announced yesterday about Panathinaikos OPAP Athens being interested to sing NBA forward Eric Paschall. However, Greek website sport24 and its journalist Alexandros Trigas report that the player has found an offer from an NBA team and will stay in the top basketball league next season. SDNA.gr later confirmed the information.
Source: BasketNews

[bearadonisdna]

Jazz fan making a case for jazz playing to win next year .
They lost Gobert and Royce ONeal but gained :
Walker Kessler -C
Patrick Beverly-G/F
Malik Beasley - G
Jared Vanderbildt -F

5. Kessler-24 | Whiteside-24
4. Bogs -35 | Rudy Gay -13 ( Vanderbildt)
3. * ONeal replacements

1. Conley -31| Clarkson-17
2. Mitchell -35 | Clarkson-18

* Not sure who to play there but they got ootion especially if your ok with small ball :
Beasley
Beverly
Walker -Alexander
Jonny zuzang - ( Quentin grimes)

O’Neal wasn’t a high volume producer for them I’m sure they can make due.That Kessler dude brings a lot of defense . If they said they wanted to play to win Its not that far fetched even though they likely take a step back .

[Iron Mantis]

I thought his Burx numbers were funny, thanks for clearing that up.

Burks had a positive +/- as a back-up and as a starter.

He was the only starter with a positive +/-, for the whole season, and even when isolating the period from November 27 where he effectively became a starter.

But it's not really that surprising that he had a positive impact in both roles, since he's an elite 3-point shooter and a good defender. The combination of those two qualities is what you want most from your role players. Burks was the best and arguably the only two-way player in the starting line-up. It's a sad reality, but a reality nonetheless, until the other starters get their head up their ass and start playing two-way ball again.

The FO really goofed this time...Burks was a game-changer on the Knicks. Easily the best player.

GM's, especially contenders, were constantly inquiring about Burks..some offering unprotected firsts. Y'all remember the reports.

In fact, if we still had Burks to offer in a trade, D.Mitch would already be a Knick hands down.

Reality: Knicks had to attach assets just get rid of Burks......

[thebuzzardman]

The Greek basketball world was shaken when SDNA.gr announced yesterday about Panathinaikos OPAP Athens being interested to sing NBA forward Eric Paschall. However, Greek website sport24 and its journalist Alexandros Trigas report that the player has found an offer from an NBA team and will stay in the top basketball league next season. SDNA.gr later confirmed the information.
Source: BasketNews

Tell those uzo drinking f*cks that Paschall is ours after Mitchell is traded for

[bearadonisdna]

Wow if they got Fournier at the 3:
If they got grimes and Quickley along with Beverley and Beasley that’s a lot of Sg talent to cover for DM.
And what if they got Obi too . If he starts at either big position they still sitting there with a win now team practically. Smfh
Gobert wasn’t even all that . one of the most overrated players in the league .

[bearadonisdna]

Burks had a positive +/- as a back-up and as a starter.

He was the only starter with a positive +/-, for the whole season, and even when isolating the period from November 27 where he effectively became a starter.

But it's not really that surprising that he had a positive impact in both roles, since he's an elite 3-point shooter and a good defender. The combination of those two qualities is what you want most from your role players. Burks was the best and arguably the only two-way player in the starting line-up. It's a sad reality, but a reality nonetheless, until the other starters get their head up their ass and start playing two-way ball again.

The FO really goofed this time...Burks was a game-changer on the Knicks. Easily the best player.

GM's, especially contenders, were constantly inquiring about Burks..some offering unprotected firsts. Y'all remember the reports.

In fact, if we still had Burks to offer in a trade, D.Mitch would already be a Knick hands down.

Reality: Knicks had to attach assets just get rid of Burks......

Yea but you’ll be looking really stupid when you look at VoRp, RAPM , RAPTOR, maybe even LEbRON .
What that even means I don’t know I’m not a scientist.

[KnicksNext]

So many people think the Knicks are the team with the leverage here. That's completely false. The Knicks are not the team holding a 25 year star. Ainge will wait it out until he gets the trade he wants. They have Mitchell locked in for four years and won't give in and give him up for less that whatever Ainge's asking price is.

It's the Knicks who are desperate (the front office, not the fans). Can you imagine if this deal doesn't get done, and Mitchell goes to say, the Heat, Rose and Co. will get crucified by all media, local and national. And the majority of fans will be pissed as well. Utah knows this and will wait until Rose can't take the pressure anymore and caves. I don't want this to happen, but it's funny to see so many Knicks fans think the Knicks somehow have any leverage.

Mitchell has stayed quiet as well. It's not like he's out there demanding this or that. I'm sure they communicate every little detail with him, and have told him if he's patient he'll get what he wants. Rose will cave eventually because he has to. At this point he has no choice but the close this deal.

[DaGawd]

So many people think the Knicks are the team with the leverage here. That's completely false. The Knicks are not the team holding a 25 year star. Ainge will wait it out until he gets the trade he wants. They have Mitchell locked in for four years and won't give in and give him up for less that whatever Ainge's asking price is.

It's the Knicks who are desperate (the front office, not the fans). Can you imagine if this deal doesn't get done, and Mitchell goes to say, the Heat, Rose and Co. will get crucified by all media, local and national. And the majority of fans will be pissed as well. Utah knows this and will wait until Rose can't take the pressure anymore and caves. I don't want this to happen, but it's funny to see so many Knicks fans think the Knicks somehow have any leverage.

Mitchell has stayed quiet as well. It's not like he's out there demanding this or that. I'm sure they communicate every little detail with him, and have told him if he's patient he'll get what he wants. Rose will cave eventually because he has to. At this point he has no choice but the close this deal.

good go ahead and cave leon.. fk the picks

[Fat Kat]

So many people think the Knicks are the team with the leverage here. That's completely false. The Knicks are not the team holding a 25 year star. Ainge will wait it out until he gets the trade he wants. They have Mitchell locked in for four years and won't give in and give him up for less that whatever Ainge's asking price is.

It's the Knicks who are desperate (the front office, not the fans). Can you imagine if this deal doesn't get done, and Mitchell goes to say, the Heat, Rose and Co. will get crucified by all media, local and national. And the majority of fans will be pissed as well. Utah knows this and will wait until Rose can't take the pressure anymore and caves. I don't want this to happen, but it's funny to see so many Knicks fans think the Knicks somehow have any leverage.

Mitchell has stayed quiet as well. It's not like he's out there demanding this or that. I'm sure they communicate every little detail with him, and have told him if he's patient he'll get what he wants. Rose will cave eventually because he has to. At this point he has no choice but the close this deal.

[KnicksNext]

Some daily RJ fun stats. This is an area RJ has some potential in and def want to see him unlock it

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-Increase RJ’s ball handling responsibility
-Trade for another ball dominant guard and pair him next to another one and a ball dominant PF

It’s one or the other lol.

If Mitchell is wearing a Knicks uni, RJ usage is going to go way down. DMitch +Brunson will handle the ball the majority of the time.

[Knick4Real]

The Greek basketball world was shaken when SDNA.gr announced yesterday about Panathinaikos OPAP Athens being interested to sing NBA forward Eric Paschall. However, Greek website sport24 and its journalist Alexandros Trigas report that the player has found an offer from an NBA team and will stay in the top basketball league next season. SDNA.gr later confirmed the information.
Source: BasketNews

Eric Paschall can sing???

(just jokes)

[bearadonisdna]

So many people think the Knicks are the team with the leverage here. That's completely false. The Knicks are not the team holding a 25 year star. Ainge will wait it out until he gets the trade he wants. They have Mitchell locked in for four years and won't give in and give him up for less that whatever Ainge's asking price is.

It's the Knicks who are desperate (the front office, not the fans). Can you imagine if this deal doesn't get done, and Mitchell goes to say, the Heat, Rose and Co. will get crucified by all media, local and national. And the majority of fans will be pissed as well. Utah knows this and will wait until Rose can't take the pressure anymore and caves. I don't want this to happen, but it's funny to see so many Knicks fans think the Knicks somehow have any leverage.

Mitchell has stayed quiet as well. It's not like he's out there demanding this or that. I'm sure they communicate every little detail with him, and have told him if he's patient he'll get what he wants. Rose will cave eventually because he has to. At this point he has no choice but the close this deal.

Agreed Knicks don’t have leverage . They do have a great position I’ll give them that. Having the most to offer , generally the biggest deal etc.

Only thing i disagree with is that Ainge can dangle a star out in the market with impunity .
Kind of arrogant on him and the jazz fans to think that is the standard of negotiation.

Stars and their agents usually dictate their wishes and take control of their destiny not let guys like Ainge be their ring master.

[KnicksNext]

The Randle situation is going to be a huge story all year. Is Randle ready to be a good teammate? Is he going to instantly change and realize he's not the man anymore, and that he's not our point forward (and isn't Lebron James)? I don't have any confidence he will. That disgusting attitude he had last year can't simply just go away. It's who he is as a human.

I can guarantee you that Randle still thinks he's the man on our squad (even with DMitch on it). When someone has the enormous ego that Randle has, he won't just change into being a humble, team first player in one year, and allow TWO other players (or 3 w/RJ) handle the ball more than he does.

I just can't see how he's all of a sudden going to stand in the corner with his hands ready for a pass from DMitch/Brunson. Randle is still going to want to dominate the ball.

Randle on the team has a chance to infect, poison and ruin a potentially great young squad. We need to find a way to dump him AT ALL COSTS. He should not be allowed to be with the team once training camp starts. I know that's a pipedream, but him and his piss poor horrible attitude has a chance to ruin the solid squad we're putting together. Give up another 1st to get rid of him, I don't care. He needs to go.

It's sad that the FO can't see this. Thibs let him get away with murder last year. Absolutely zero accountability for a player that should have been benched for his attitude many, many times throughout the year. And for a Thibs coached team, it was really surprising to see him allow Randle's antics. That was shocking.

TLDR: Randle needs to STFU and GTFO.

[KnicksNext]

So if we do get Donovan.... He's the #1 option and Brunson is #2? Takes the ball out of Randles hands and the pressure off both him and RJ. Does Randle adjust well playing off the ball most of the time? Does Thibs let the guards run the show? How long does it take the team to mesh together? How well does the PnR with Mitchell look?

Kemba and Evan were supposed to be an improvement last year. Oops. This team should look much better up and down the lineup adding these guys. I expect the team to look better with Brunson alone so...DM makes us that much better in theory.

And if DRose stays somehow, he'll dominate the ball for the bench squad. And don't forget about IQ (if he stays). How in the hell is Randle going to accept that? I'm sure Rose and Co. have been stroking Randle's ego as they're making these deals, telling him he's still the man. How flippin great would it be if we could just dump him.

In regards to RJ, I'm guessing it's going to help him a lot because he's going to know now that he's nowhere close to being the man. If he accepts his role as a 3rd/4th fiddle and plays within the offense (and doesn't try his patented out of control drives where he gets his sh*t swatted back at him), he has a chance to really improve his efficiency. Teams will not focus on RJ at all with DMitch/Brunson. He can sit in the corner and knock down threes, rebound, and play hard on D. If RJ buys in I think all of this will be a big bonus for him and his future.

[KnicksNext]

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I mean, come on man. Is this really just a coincidence he keeps linking himself to all things NY? I know he grew up here, but still. He's acutely aware of how each single tweet is being analyzed across the basketball world. He's literally toying with us.

[Rooster8]

Sundays always quiet

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

The Greek basketball world was shaken when SDNA.gr announced yesterday about Panathinaikos OPAP Athens being interested to sing NBA forward Eric Paschall. However, Greek website sport24 and its journalist Alexandros Trigas report that the player has found an offer from an NBA team and will stay in the top basketball league next season. SDNA.gr later confirmed the information.
Source: BasketNews

Tell those uzo drinking f*cks philosophers and boy lovers that Paschall is ours after Mitchell is traded for

Fyp

[GONYK]

So many people think the Knicks are the team with the leverage here. That's completely false. The Knicks are not the team holding a 25 year star. Ainge will wait it out until he gets the trade he wants. They have Mitchell locked in for four years and won't give in and give him up for less that whatever Ainge's asking price is.

It's the Knicks who are desperate (the front office, not the fans). Can you imagine if this deal doesn't get done, and Mitchell goes to say, the Heat, Rose and Co. will get crucified by all media, local and national. And the majority of fans will be pissed as well. Utah knows this and will wait until Rose can't take the pressure anymore and caves. I don't want this to happen, but it's funny to see so many Knicks fans think the Knicks somehow have any leverage.

Mitchell has stayed quiet as well. It's not like he's out there demanding this or that. I'm sure they communicate every little detail with him, and have told him if he's patient he'll get what he wants. Rose will cave eventually because he has to. At this point he has no choice but the close this deal.

Where exactly is Miami going to get the assets to outbid the Knicks?

[KnicksNext]

So many people think the Knicks are the team with the leverage here. That's completely false. The Knicks are not the team holding a 25 year star. Ainge will wait it out until he gets the trade he wants. They have Mitchell locked in for four years and won't give in and give him up for less that whatever Ainge's asking price is.

It's the Knicks who are desperate (the front office, not the fans). Can you imagine if this deal doesn't get done, and Mitchell goes to say, the Heat, Rose and Co. will get crucified by all media, local and national. And the majority of fans will be pissed as well. Utah knows this and will wait until Rose can't take the pressure anymore and caves. I don't want this to happen, but it's funny to see so many Knicks fans think the Knicks somehow have any leverage.

Mitchell has stayed quiet as well. It's not like he's out there demanding this or that. I'm sure they communicate every little detail with him, and have told him if he's patient he'll get what he wants. Rose will cave eventually because he has to. At this point he has no choice but the close this deal.

good go ahead and cave leon.. fk the picks

I agree. Let's just get this over with already. Give Ainge that last pick swap he wants and call it a day.