Teams that have ZERO chance to compete in future because of ownership/front office

[GTR11]

But will they **** it up with Ainge here? I feel like they will end up paying like 7 draft picks.

Not sure if u have been paying attention but this Knick FO has been amazing accumulating assets and picks.

Id be shocked if they traded 7 picks

even if they do a few of them will likely be some of the heavily protected picks they got from other teams so it’s not all their own assets

Ainge been in Atlantic division for over 10 years and you still say that .

[Frichuela]

I am amazed no one mentions Ted Leonsis and the Washington Wizards. Clearly a bottom 3 owner…

[DaGawd]

Not sure if u have been paying attention but this Knick FO has been amazing accumulating assets and picks.

Id be shocked if they traded 7 picks

even if they do a few of them will likely be some of the heavily protected picks they got from other teams so it’s not all their own assets

Ainge been in Atlantic division for over 10 years and you still say that .

guess we’ll have to wait and see. i don’t see all 7 picks being actual Knicks picks tho if it is indeed 7 picks being sent out. brock aller is a stickler for things like that

[GTR11]

even if they do a few of them will likely be some of the heavily protected picks they got from other teams so it’s not all their own assets

Ainge been in Atlantic division for over 10 years and you still say that .

guess we’ll have to wait and see. i don’t see all 7 picks being actual Knicks picks tho if it is indeed 7 picks being sent out. brock aller is a stickler for things like that

I'll remind some and give history lesson to you. Back in 2010 Billy called Ainge and was wondering about Pierce, Danny set a price which was ridiculous as usual. Billy did it for 3 years in a row until he talked Prok into that mega trade. At the end of the day, Ainge was willing to lose Pierce for nothing before giving up on set price ( which was 4 unprotected picks ).

When Pavlova leaked all info to Bob ( aka NetsDaily ) he also added in his article that Ainge is like that and people around him confirmed info.

The way Wolves trade went through just shows he didn't change one bit. I'm pretty sure he won't change his asking price for years to come. You either pay the price or wait till Spida contract expires.

[monopoman]

Ainge been in Atlantic division for over 10 years and you still say that .

guess we’ll have to wait and see. i don’t see all 7 picks being actual Knicks picks tho if it is indeed 7 picks being sent out. brock aller is a stickler for things like that

I'll remind some and give history lesson to you. Back in 2010 Billy called Ainge and was wondering about Pierce, Danny set a price which was ridiculous as usual. Billy did it for 3 years in a row until he talked Prok into that mega trade. At the end of the day, Ainge was willing to lose Pierce for nothing before giving up on set price ( which was 4 unprotected picks ).

When Pavlova leaked all info to Bob ( aka NetsDaily ) he also added in his article that Ainge is like that and people around him confirmed info.

The way Wolves trade went through just shows he didn't change one bit. I'm pretty sure he won't change his asking price for years to come. You either pay the price or wait till Spida contract expires.

At that time the Nets had one of the worst ownership groups in all of sports, Ainge was very close to losing Pierce for nothing if it wasn't for the Nets overpaying by a large margin. **** the day that trade was made almost everyone I saw called it a stupidly large overpay for the players the Nets were recieving.

The value was closer if say KG and Pierce were younger but KG was 31 when traded and Pierce was 36. Pierce was clearly on the downside of his career, and KG had at best 3-4 years before that happened. It's basically the equivalent of some team paying that for Chris Paul and Dame right now assuming they were on the same team.

[GTR11]

guess we’ll have to wait and see. i don’t see all 7 picks being actual Knicks picks tho if it is indeed 7 picks being sent out. brock aller is a stickler for things like that

I'll remind some and give history lesson to you. Back in 2010 Billy called Ainge and was wondering about Pierce, Danny set a price which was ridiculous as usual. Billy did it for 3 years in a row until he talked Prok into that mega trade. At the end of the day, Ainge was willing to lose Pierce for nothing before giving up on set price ( which was 4 unprotected picks ).

When Pavlova leaked all info to Bob ( aka NetsDaily ) he also added in his article that Ainge is like that and people around him confirmed info.

The way Wolves trade went through just shows he didn't change one bit. I'm pretty sure he won't change his asking price for years to come. You either pay the price or wait till Spida contract expires.

At that time the Nets had one of the worst ownership groups in all of sports, Ainge was very close to losing Pierce for nothing if it wasn't for the Nets overpaying by a large margin. **** the day that trade was made almost everyone I saw called it a stupidly large overpay for the players the Nets were recieving.

The value was closer if say KG and Pierce were younger but KG was 31 when traded and Pierce was 36. Pierce was clearly on the downside of his career, and KG had at best 3-4 years before that happened.

Always easy to judge until after the fact. At the time most thought it was enough to compete vs Miami and Kobe. Better half of the fans wanted owner like Prok who'd spend anything to win now. Not that hard to look up those posts.

Same thing happened with KD, Kyrie and Harden. You sign KD no matter what, even if Kyrie has had issues in Boston. You trade for top 3 player like Harden no matter what, he will be best 2nd option in nba history etc etc. All become prophets after the fact and flip flop their opinions at least 10 times a day, been there done that heard it all.

Point still stands. Ainge is Ainge and nothing changes him. He believes in his formulas and he's going to live and die by it.

[monopoman]

I'll remind some and give history lesson to you. Back in 2010 Billy called Ainge and was wondering about Pierce, Danny set a price which was ridiculous as usual. Billy did it for 3 years in a row until he talked Prok into that mega trade. At the end of the day, Ainge was willing to lose Pierce for nothing before giving up on set price ( which was 4 unprotected picks ).

When Pavlova leaked all info to Bob ( aka NetsDaily ) he also added in his article that Ainge is like that and people around him confirmed info.

The way Wolves trade went through just shows he didn't change one bit. I'm pretty sure he won't change his asking price for years to come. You either pay the price or wait till Spida contract expires.

At that time the Nets had one of the worst ownership groups in all of sports, Ainge was very close to losing Pierce for nothing if it wasn't for the Nets overpaying by a large margin. **** the day that trade was made almost everyone I saw called it a stupidly large overpay for the players the Nets were recieving.

The value was closer if say KG and Pierce were younger but KG was 31 when traded and Pierce was 36. Pierce was clearly on the downside of his career, and KG had at best 3-4 years before that happened.

Always easy to judge until after the fact. At the time most thought it was enough to compete vs Miami and Kobe. Better half of the fans wanted owner like Prok who'd spend anything to win now. Not that hard to look up those posts.

Same thing happened with KD, Kyrie and Harden. You sign KD no matter what, even if Kyrie has had issues in Boston. You trade for top 3 player like Harden no matter what, he will be best 2nd option in nba history etc etc. All become prophets after the fact and flip flop their opinions at least 10 times a day, been there done that heard it all.

Point still stands. Ainge is Ainge and nothing changes him. He believes in his formulas and he's going to live and die by it.

I don't think Pierce was on the level of KD ever in his career, KD healthy even right now is at worst the 4th or 5th best player in the NBA. Pierce at his peak was more like Dame in the 10th-15th best player in the NBA. KG was closer to being one of the best and he was by far the biggest piece in that trade, but I like the trade a lot more if Pierce was say 28 or 29 not 31.

[BlackThought]

Don't really understand the thread. What do you mean by future? Like they have zero chance for the next 50 years? What are we talking about here?

[GTR11]

At that time the Nets had one of the worst ownership groups in all of sports, Ainge was very close to losing Pierce for nothing if it wasn't for the Nets overpaying by a large margin. **** the day that trade was made almost everyone I saw called it a stupidly large overpay for the players the Nets were recieving.

The value was closer if say KG and Pierce were younger but KG was 31 when traded and Pierce was 36. Pierce was clearly on the downside of his career, and KG had at best 3-4 years before that happened.

Always easy to judge until after the fact. At the time most thought it was enough to compete vs Miami and Kobe. Better half of the fans wanted owner like Prok who'd spend anything to win now. Not that hard to look up those posts.

Same thing happened with KD, Kyrie and Harden. You sign KD no matter what, even if Kyrie has had issues in Boston. You trade for top 3 player like Harden no matter what, he will be best 2nd option in nba history etc etc. All become prophets after the fact and flip flop their opinions at least 10 times a day, been there done that heard it all.

Point still stands. Ainge is Ainge and nothing changes him. He believes in his formulas and he's going to live and die by it.

I don't think Pierce was on the level of KD ever in his career, KD healthy even right now is at worst the 4th or 5th best player in the NBA. Pierce at his peak was more like Dame in the 10th-15th best player in the NBA. KG was closer to being one of the best and he was by far the biggest piece in that trade, but I like the trade a lot more if Pierce was say 28 or 29 not 31.

It was never about them being best players. It was about that vet leadership and experience, installing culture so to speak. It was all about giving D. Will enough help. B. LO became an all star, JJ was giving business to anyone, including LBJ, PP and KG brought that edge etc. This punk ass D. Wont just quit, like Kyrie doing right now. On top of that, they became toxic and kill any chemistry that coaches trying to establish.

[Kent]

This is a ridiculous question.

Ownerships and front offices WILL change over time. All of them. Generational talents land in teams' laps. The NBA will evolve and likely still exist past our lifetimes.

To say today that a team will NEVER win a championship is short-sighted if nothing else.

Would anyone have thought the Warriors would win a championship let alone a bunch when they drafted Curry? Or that the Heat would build multiple championship rosters before 2006? And that's just in the last two decades.

[Pennebaker]

Nah. None of this is true. Especially not for the Knicks. I mean it's New York City. Eventually it's going to attract the right guy. The savior. And the 1970s will return.

[Black Jack]

Nah. None of this is true. Especially not for the Knicks. I mean it's New York City. Eventually it's going to attract the right guy. The savior. And the 1970s will return.

It's nearly impossible to build a contender while Dolan is in charge, NYK never allow their team to bottom out and be in a position to draft at the top of the lottery. He owns the Garden and wants to keep people coming there no matter what. Also it seems like he wouldn't want a LeBron type pushing him to pay for a contender.

[Pennebaker]

Nah. None of this is true. Especially not for the Knicks. I mean it's New York City. Eventually it's going to attract the right guy. The savior. And the 1970s will return.

It's nearly impossible to build a contender while Dolan is in charge, NYK never allow their team to bottom out and be in a position to draft at the top of the lottery. He owns the Garden and wants to keep people coming there no matter what. Also it seems like he wouldn't want a LeBron type pushing him to pay for a contender.

It's not about the draft. They just have to wait. Eventually The One will come to them.

[Black Jack]

Nah. None of this is true. Especially not for the Knicks. I mean it's New York City. Eventually it's going to attract the right guy. The savior. And the 1970s will return.

It's nearly impossible to build a contender while Dolan is in charge, NYK never allow their team to bottom out and be in a position to draft at the top of the lottery. He owns the Garden and wants to keep people coming there no matter what. Also it seems like he wouldn't want a LeBron type pushing him to pay for a contender.

It's not about the draft. They just have to wait. Eventually The One will come to them.

No elite players always pass on NYK because
1 nobody trusts their career to Dolan
2 the Knick supporting cast is always substandard because the do things like trade their entire pick future for a Donovan Mitchell type, over and over

its all the same problem: dolan is a trust funder who doesn't know how to be patient.

[xBulletproof]

6.) Indiana Pacers - market and ownership not caring about winning

Stop it.

The Pacers ownership problem is they want to win too badly, and so they never get picks at the top for elite talent. This year was the first pick inside the top 10 since 1988. How that gets turned around to 'not caring about winning' is weird. It's quite the opposite, they're incapable of just saying screw it and embracing being bad.

They do seem to be cursed or something. Every time they get to contending status or look close to getting there something weird happens. Malice in the Palace, PG13 wants to force his way to LA, and Oladipo has major tendon issues. If they didn't want to win Rick Carlisle wouldn't be the 5th highest paid coach in the NBA. There's not even rules about coach salaries, they did it because they thought the Brogdon/Sabonis and rest of the team were capable of winning. So they paid big money to bring in a coach to help.

Problem was you aren't going anywhere with 2 guys who are both unathletic and incapable of handling length or athleticism.

[Sofia]

No one finna tell OP attractability isn’t a word?

[LAL1947]

No one finna tell OP attractability isn’t a word?

https://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Attractability

[Hugi Mancura]

Winning players rarely want to play with bad owners, so teams like Knicks and Kings are in bad situation.
Teams in small markets are in bad situation.

But situations can change quickly to the better.

Team like Cavs were a small market team and with bad owner, but they won because there was one local boy who wanted to win for the team. There are lot of players who want to win in New York, so Knicks do suck now and have sucked couple seasons, but if two superstar's decide we want to win for Knicks they might suddenly be on top.

Team like Bulls had extremely bad front office for decades and bad owner, but one change in who will run the team and now they were last year much better. Even bad owners do sometimes make right choices (like give the team to their son to run) and they did succeed to win it all with the bad owner because they succeeded to draft generational talent.

Small market teams sometimes do get lucky with their picks and draft players like Giannis and puff, magically you are a champion or at least in second round in playoffs.

So staying bad for a very long time is rare and this time badness means no second round's in playoffs. You need to almost have exceptional skill for running a team badly and right now I would say only Kings are this bad. But someday ownership will change and then even Kings might see light, but until then Kings fans must suffer time in darkness.

[Sofia]

No one finna tell OP attractability isn’t a word?

https://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Attractability

Welp.



(Hadn’t heard attractability and neither had iOS. What an unnecessary word)

[seren]

Any team that sets spending limitations and lose core players to payroll have no shot at a ring. That is half of the league at least.