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Deeeez Knicks wrote:TraveyKnicks31 wrote:If Danny is really willing to risk the tank because he can’t make a fair trade is just crazy to me lol
I dont think he would risk the tank. He will make a deal before the season or very very early in the season. Nobody wants to budge now though
Madskillzz024 wrote:If the Celtics land KD, I could see Riley going all in for Mitchell if we continue to drag our feet. It’s pretty obvious the Knicks will cave before the Jazz do.
Plus the market might reset itself again if the KD trade is a huge haul for the Nets like the Jazz return for Rudy
KnixinSix wrote:iLLmatic860 wrote:Knick4Real wrote:
You'd be an awful negotiator if you seriously lost interest in an asset (ANY asset) only because you were impatient.
It'd be one thing if you lost interest in Spida because of Spida -- but to lose interest because you're tired of waiting??
I already explained myself
The more I wait. The more I think about the defensive liability Brunson and Dmitch backcourt will be
Keep in mind these guys are not Fournier and Kemba. Fournier and Kemba have no ability to play D. Mitch and Brunson have ability to play some level of D. I don't think they will be nearly as bad as some think under a defensive minded coach in Thibs.
ag3 wrote:Madskillzz024 wrote:If the Celtics land KD, I could see Riley going all in for Mitchell if we continue to drag our feet. It’s pretty obvious the Knicks will cave before the Jazz do.
Plus the market might reset itself again if the KD trade is a huge haul for the Nets like the Jazz return for Rudy
Dolan will eventually cave.
god shammgod wrote:mpharris36 wrote:ADeP7 wrote:I mean come on. The hawks and wizards have nothing to make a trade for Mitchell work lol. Especially the hawks. How would that lineup even go with Trae Dejounte and Mitchell lol.
Trying to up the price talking about teams interested but we all know that those two teams can’t put a competitive offer together.
It’s the Knicks heat or a mystery team like Okc orlando or pels going in for Mitchell.
Don’t sell me this kings hawks wizards bs
Honestly Ainge is just playing the waiting game...he believe he has time on his side and an impatient owner on the other (for a star).
knicks are gonna cave it's just by how much
ohboy109 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:TraveyKnicks31 wrote:If Danny is really willing to risk the tank because he can’t make a fair trade is just crazy to me lol
I dont think he would risk the tank. He will make a deal before the season or very very early in the season. Nobody wants to budge now though
Even with Mitchell they going to the lottery
ohboy109 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:TraveyKnicks31 wrote:If Danny is really willing to risk the tank because he can’t make a fair trade is just crazy to me lol
I dont think he would risk the tank. He will make a deal before the season or very very early in the season. Nobody wants to budge now though
Even with Mitchell they going to the lottery
Fury wrote:Lol man Marcus Smart is mad overrated. I get not wanting to trade Brown but drawing the line at Smart is ridiculous when they were ready to trade him a year ago. And don’t give me that DPOY ****, he wasn’t the best defender last year
thebuzzardman wrote:Here you go, some more Shams Chlamydia rumors:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268065/Pacers-Knicks-Jazz-Have-Talked-Deals-For-Russell-Westbrook-And-Draft-Picks
ohboy109 wrote:god shammgod wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
Honestly Ainge is just playing the waiting game...he believe he has time on his side and an impatient owner on the other (for a star).
knicks are gonna cave it's just by how much
Na Brock got a say and they don't need Mitchell they got Brunson just save the assets star's become available every year
will34 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Here you go, some more Shams Chlamydia rumors:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268065/Pacers-Knicks-Jazz-Have-Talked-Deals-For-Russell-Westbrook-And-Draft-Picks
Shams said nothing in this.
mpharris36 wrote:this is why you need to play your young players too and not block them.
In trade negotiations why would Ainge value our young guys if our own team only players them like sparing bench pieces.
HopelessKnick wrote:This is the reality of the situation:
Atlanta--traded 3 FRPs --no chance at Mitchell
Boston--have traded their 2023 FRPs , no chance at Mitchell
Brooklyn-- traded their FRPs, hold Philly's --no chance at Mitchell
Charlotte--have traded their 2023 FRP to the Spurs--no chance at Mitchell
Chicago--trade their 2023 and 2025 FRPs
Cleveland--traded their 2023 FRP to Indiana
Dallas-- traded their 2023 FRP to the Knicks
Denver--traded their 2023 and 2025 and 2027 FRPs
Pistons-- traded their 2023 FRP to NY
GS-- traded their 2024 FRP to Memphis, could only trade their FRPs starting from 2026
Houston--have traded their 2024 and 2026 FRPs to OKC
Indiana-- They have some FRPs availabe for a deal, BUT extremely unlikely to be willing to give up unprotected FRPs amidst a rebuild
Clippers-- Traded their 2024 + 2026 picks to OKC
Lakers--can trade FRP only starting in 2027
Memphis--are free to trade their FRPs which will be 25-30 range
Heat--unproteced FRPs have little to no value (25-30)
Milwaukee--have traded 2023 + 2025 + 2027 FRPs
Minnesota-- no picks
New Orleans-- They have their own picks + Lakers picks
OKC--won't trade unprotected FRPs
Orlando--won't trade unprotected FRPs
Philly-- no picks available
Phoenix--unprotected picks of little value
Trailblazers--have traded their 2023 FRP to Chicago
Kings--have traded their 2024 to Atlanta, could only trade unprotected FRPs starting 2028
Spurs--not trading for Mitchell
Raptors--have only their own picks, no other picks
Wizards--can trade FRP starting in 2028
As you can see, OKC, Indiana and NO are the only other possible thinkable teams able to put together a competitive picks offer (this is assuming Ainge does not want back impact players but mostly picks to tank most efficiently). Indiana won't give up unprotected picks IMO (especially not after they just gave away Brogdon)and OKC probably not either. NO I could see make a play for Mitchell but they just traded for CJ and Mitchell would be even a worse fit there than here. Also, with Zion's health issues I think NO would be hesitant to traded unprotected FRPs.
Anyways, if one of those teams goes out of their way to make an insane offer then so be it. The odds are tremendously low. I personally think if Rose played hard hard ball he could get it done with 2 unprotected FRPs + 2 protected FRPs + a couple of the young guys. The market and leverage is in the Knicks favor here big time.
thebuzzardman wrote:mpharris36 wrote:this is why you need to play your young players too and not block them.
In trade negotiations why would Ainge value our young guys if our own team only players them like sparing bench pieces.
Because Ainge doesn't have scouts?
Knick4Real wrote:HopelessKnick wrote:This is the reality of the situation:
Atlanta--traded 3 FRPs --no chance at Mitchell
Boston--have traded their 2023 FRPs , no chance at Mitchell
Brooklyn-- traded their FRPs, hold Philly's --no chance at Mitchell
Charlotte--have traded their 2023 FRP to the Spurs--no chance at Mitchell
Chicago--trade their 2023 and 2025 FRPs
Cleveland--traded their 2023 FRP to Indiana
Dallas-- traded their 2023 FRP to the Knicks
Denver--traded their 2023 and 2025 and 2027 FRPs
Pistons-- traded their 2023 FRP to NY
GS-- traded their 2024 FRP to Memphis, could only trade their FRPs starting from 2026
Houston--have traded their 2024 and 2026 FRPs to OKC
Indiana-- They have some FRPs availabe for a deal, BUT extremely unlikely to be willing to give up unprotected FRPs amidst a rebuild
Clippers-- Traded their 2024 + 2026 picks to OKC
Lakers--can trade FRP only starting in 2027
Memphis--are free to trade their FRPs which will be 25-30 range
Heat--unproteced FRPs have little to no value (25-30)
Milwaukee--have traded 2023 + 2025 + 2027 FRPs
Minnesota-- no picks
New Orleans-- They have their own picks + Lakers picks
OKC--won't trade unprotected FRPs
Orlando--won't trade unprotected FRPs
Philly-- no picks available
Phoenix--unprotected picks of little value
Trailblazers--have traded their 2023 FRP to Chicago
Kings--have traded their 2024 to Atlanta, could only trade unprotected FRPs starting 2028
Spurs--not trading for Mitchell
Raptors--have only their own picks, no other picks
Wizards--can trade FRP starting in 2028
As you can see, OKC, Indiana and NO are the only other possible thinkable teams able to put together a competitive picks offer (this is assuming Ainge does not want back impact players but mostly picks to tank most efficiently). Indiana won't give up unprotected picks IMO (especially not after they just gave away Brogdon)and OKC probably not either. NO I could see make a play for Mitchell but they just traded for CJ and Mitchell would be even a worse fit there than here. Also, with Zion's health issues I think NO would be hesitant to traded unprotected FRPs.
Anyways, if one of those teams goes out of their way to make an insane offer then so be it. The odds are tremendously low. I personally think if Rose played hard hard ball he could get it done with 2 unprotected FRPs + 2 protected FRPs + a couple of the young guys. The market and leverage is in the Knicks favor here big time.
THIS!!
thebuzzardman wrote:Here you go, some more Shams Chlamydia rumors:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268065/Pacers-Knicks-Jazz-Have-Talked-Deals-For-Russell-Westbrook-And-Draft-Picks
mpharris36 wrote:this is why you need to play your young players too and not block them.
In trade negotiations why would Ainge value our young guys if our own team only play them like sparing bench pieces.
thebuzzardman wrote:Knick4Real wrote:HopelessKnick wrote:This is the reality of the situation:
Atlanta--traded 3 FRPs --no chance at Mitchell
Boston--have traded their 2023 FRPs , no chance at Mitchell
Brooklyn-- traded their FRPs, hold Philly's --no chance at Mitchell
Charlotte--have traded their 2023 FRP to the Spurs--no chance at Mitchell
Chicago--trade their 2023 and 2025 FRPs
Cleveland--traded their 2023 FRP to Indiana
Dallas-- traded their 2023 FRP to the Knicks
Denver--traded their 2023 and 2025 and 2027 FRPs
Pistons-- traded their 2023 FRP to NY
GS-- traded their 2024 FRP to Memphis, could only trade their FRPs starting from 2026
Houston--have traded their 2024 and 2026 FRPs to OKC
Indiana-- They have some FRPs availabe for a deal, BUT extremely unlikely to be willing to give up unprotected FRPs amidst a rebuild
Clippers-- Traded their 2024 + 2026 picks to OKC
Lakers--can trade FRP only starting in 2027
Memphis--are free to trade their FRPs which will be 25-30 range
Heat--unproteced FRPs have little to no value (25-30)
Milwaukee--have traded 2023 + 2025 + 2027 FRPs
Minnesota-- no picks
New Orleans-- They have their own picks + Lakers picks
OKC--won't trade unprotected FRPs
Orlando--won't trade unprotected FRPs
Philly-- no picks available
Phoenix--unprotected picks of little value
Trailblazers--have traded their 2023 FRP to Chicago
Kings--have traded their 2024 to Atlanta, could only trade unprotected FRPs starting 2028
Spurs--not trading for Mitchell
Raptors--have only their own picks, no other picks
Wizards--can trade FRP starting in 2028
As you can see, OKC, Indiana and NO are the only other possible thinkable teams able to put together a competitive picks offer (this is assuming Ainge does not want back impact players but mostly picks to tank most efficiently). Indiana won't give up unprotected picks IMO (especially not after they just gave away Brogdon)and OKC probably not either. NO I could see make a play for Mitchell but they just traded for CJ and Mitchell would be even a worse fit there than here. Also, with Zion's health issues I think NO would be hesitant to traded unprotected FRPs.
Anyways, if one of those teams goes out of their way to make an insane offer then so be it. The odds are tremendously low. I personally think if Rose played hard hard ball he could get it done with 2 unprotected FRPs + 2 protected FRPs + a couple of the young guys. The market and leverage is in the Knicks favor here big time.
THIS!!
Nice long list. Kind of ignores possible scenarios where teams on the bubble of having enough to offer make 3 ways trades to have enough stuff.
Like Miami.
I mean, you can just feel it. Miami will work something out with OKC to get enough picks, land DMitch.
It's inevitable.
