2022-23 Regular Season

[JonFromVA]

Seeing the report of Boston still being interested in KD, can't help but think about what it realistically would take to butt in and grab Brown. Sexton (still think he'd fit nicely next to Simmons), Okoro, and how many picks? Love might be needed to absorb some salary along the way?

Brown would be the young star that the Nets want for KD, don't see how he'd end up in Cleveland; but anyone else in the deal that the other side doesn't actually want would be fair game.

Now, if they can't work out a deal and Brown feels "disrespected" and asks for a trade ... well ... Boston would want someone who could actually help them. No doubt ask for Garland or Mobley from us.

I'm very interested in adding Brown to Garland and Mobley. I'm not at all interested in swapping either one for him. Brown is only under contract for two more seasons which is why I think it's worth it to at least gauge the Nets interest if they're blowing everything up. If they're keeping Simmons and building around him and Brown, then I expect a hard no. If they're starting from scratch, the Cavs have a lot of players on rookie contracts (or Sexton's case just coming off of one) and bunch of future picks.

If they wanted a pile of picks instead of Brown then we can offer a slightly reduced pile of picks, but we'd need to sneak in to the deal while other GM's are distracted by Donovan Mitchell talks.

[mcfly1204]

Seeing the report of Boston still being interested in KD, can't help but think about what it realistically would take to butt in and grab Brown. Sexton (still think he'd fit nicely next to Simmons), Okoro, and how many picks? Love might be needed to absorb some salary along the way?

Brown would be the young star that the Nets want for KD, don't see how he'd end up in Cleveland; but anyone else in the deal that the other side doesn't actually want would be fair game.

Now, if they can't work out a deal and Brown feels "disrespected" and asks for a trade ... well ... Boston would want someone who could actually help them. No doubt ask for Garland or Mobley from us.

I'm very interested in adding Brown to Garland and Mobley. I'm not at all interested in swapping either one for him. Brown is only under contract for two more seasons which is why I think it's worth it to at least gauge the Nets interest if they're blowing everything up. If they're keeping Simmons and building around him and Brown, then I expect a hard no. If they're starting from scratch, the Cavs have a lot of players on rookie contracts (or Sexton's case just coming off of one) and bunch of future picks.

I see Brown as a legit #2\#3 on a contender, but between Brown and Simmons, you'd still be searching for that first option. Does Brooklyn have enough time to find that guy before Brown and Simmons hit free agency?

Hypothetically, I'd be looking to package some combination of Sexton (S&T), Okoro, Agbaji, Love, and picks for Brown and someone like Joe Harris.

[jbk1234]

Brown would be the young star that the Nets want for KD, don't see how he'd end up in Cleveland; but anyone else in the deal that the other side doesn't actually want would be fair game.

Now, if they can't work out a deal and Brown feels "disrespected" and asks for a trade ... well ... Boston would want someone who could actually help them. No doubt ask for Garland or Mobley from us.

I'm very interested in adding Brown to Garland and Mobley. I'm not at all interested in swapping either one for him. Brown is only under contract for two more seasons which is why I think it's worth it to at least gauge the Nets interest if they're blowing everything up. If they're keeping Simmons and building around him and Brown, then I expect a hard no. If they're starting from scratch, the Cavs have a lot of players on rookie contracts (or Sexton's case just coming off of one) and bunch of future picks.

If they wanted a pile of picks instead of Brown then we can offer a slightly reduced pile of picks, but we'd need to sneak in to the deal while other GM's are distracted by Donovan Mitchell talks.

It depends on how much value they'd ascribed to a newly signed Sexton (let's say 4 years of team control), Okoro (two years on a rookie contract and RFA rights), Agbaji (just drafted), and then all those picks. What type of runway are they looking for? Also, for years people talked about teaming of Simmons and Sexton so if you were going to try to make something work around Sexton, you've already got the hardest piece on to acquire on the roster.

[toooskies]

I'm very interested in adding Brown to Garland and Mobley. I'm not at all interested in swapping either one for him. Brown is only under contract for two more seasons which is why I think it's worth it to at least gauge the Nets interest if they're blowing everything up. If they're keeping Simmons and building around him and Brown, then I expect a hard no. If they're starting from scratch, the Cavs have a lot of players on rookie contracts (or Sexton's case just coming off of one) and bunch of future picks.

If they wanted a pile of picks instead of Brown then we can offer a slightly reduced pile of picks, but we'd need to sneak in to the deal while other GM's are distracted by Donovan Mitchell talks.

It depends on how much value they'd ascribed to a newly signed Sexton (let's say 4 years of team control), Okoro (two years on a rookie contract and RFA rights), Agbaji (just drafted), and then all those picks. What type of runway are they looking for? Also, for years people talked about teaming of Simmons and Sexton so if you were going to try to make something work around Sexton, you've already got the hardest piece on to acquire on the roster.

Half the teams in the league have a lead playmaker that can be guarding non-PGs, it's not nearly as rare as you make it out to be.

[jbk1234]

If they wanted a pile of picks instead of Brown then we can offer a slightly reduced pile of picks, but we'd need to sneak in to the deal while other GM's are distracted by Donovan Mitchell talks.

It depends on how much value they'd ascribed to a newly signed Sexton (let's say 4 years of team control), Okoro (two years on a rookie contract and RFA rights), Agbaji (just drafted), and then all those picks. What type of runway are they looking for? Also, for years people talked about teaming of Simmons and Sexton so if you were going to try to make something work around Sexton, you've already got the hardest piece on to acquire on the roster.

Half the teams in the league have a lead playmaker that can be guarding non-PGs, it's not nearly as rare as you make it out to be.

Name the 15 players.

[toooskies]

It depends on how much value they'd ascribed to a newly signed Sexton (let's say 4 years of team control), Okoro (two years on a rookie contract and RFA rights), Agbaji (just drafted), and then all those picks. What type of runway are they looking for? Also, for years people talked about teaming of Simmons and Sexton so if you were going to try to make something work around Sexton, you've already got the hardest piece on to acquire on the roster.

Half the teams in the league have a lead playmaker that can be guarding non-PGs, it's not nearly as rare as you make it out to be.

Name the 15 players.

Smart (or Tatum), Jrue, Harden, FVV, Lonzo, Simmons, LaMelo, Beal, Haliburton, Cade, Suggs, Luka, Jokic, Dyson Daniels (or Zion), PG/Kawhi, LeBron, Giddey, KPJ/Jalen Green. That's 18 teams/situations where Sexton could play in their system as the guy defending the other team's PG, then you had teams like Utah and Portland being comfortable playing small.

Whether Sexton fits or deserves to start in those contexts is a different question. I wouldn't want many/most of those defensive backcourts.

[jbk1234]

Half the teams in the league have a lead playmaker that can be guarding non-PGs, it's not nearly as rare as you make it out to be.

Name the 15 players.

Smart (or Tatum), Jrue, Harden, FVV, Lonzo, Simmons, LaMelo, Beal, Haliburton, Cade, Suggs, Luka, Jokic, Dyson Daniels (or Zion), PG/Kawhi, LeBron, Giddey, KPJ/Jalen Green. That's 18 teams/situations where Sexton could play in their system as the guy defending the other team's PG, then you had teams like Utah and Portland being comfortable playing small.

Whether Sexton fits or deserves to start in those contexts is a different question. I wouldn't want many/most of those defensive backcourts.

Which is the point. Also, you're being a little generous with the lead playmaker label there. Some of the guys on that list are, at best, secondary playmakers. A few of the younger ones haven't really shown they can do it effectively in either capacity.

[ijspeelman]

Half the teams in the league have a lead playmaker that can be guarding non-PGs, it's not nearly as rare as you make it out to be.

Name the 15 players.

Smart (or Tatum), Jrue, Harden, FVV, Lonzo, Simmons, LaMelo, Beal, Haliburton, Cade, Suggs, Luka, Jokic, Dyson Daniels (or Zion), PG/Kawhi, LeBron, Giddey, KPJ/Jalen Green. That's 18 teams/situations where Sexton could play in their system as the guy defending the other team's PG, then you had teams like Utah and Portland being comfortable playing small.

Whether Sexton fits or deserves to start in those contexts is a different question. I wouldn't want many/most of those defensive backcourts.

I have bolded the players you do not want to be your lead ball-handler in a playoff situation. Some reasoning: Lonzo has proven to be a great secondary playmaker, but isn't the best in the half-court, Beal just isn't a great playmaker and your offense isn't going to look great if he's handling the ball most of the time, Suggs is too early to tell (had a dreadful rookie season), Dyson Daniels is a rookie, Zion is a possibility, but I assume he would be Giannis'd and would be much better off-ball, PG/Kawhi would prefer a pure point guard so they do not have to run the offense as much, Giddey is another guy that is a possibility, but is too early to tell, KPJ is straight up not a good playmaker (great assist numbers, but watching his film shows he is not very smart with his passes), and Jalen Green is similar to Suggs. Simmons almost made this list as well, but I left him off.

That leaves his best situations to be Celtics (not likely due to their defensive profile, but if JB was traded he would slot into the Pritchard slot I guess), Bucks (not the worst fit, but who do we get back in this), 6ers (cap hell), Nets (another possibility, but seems like a three team trade), Charlotte (back-court of Sexton and LaMelo sounds problematic), Pacers (back-court of Sexton and Haliburton sounds problematic, but they are tanking so much more feasible. another who do we get back tho?), Detroit (actual possibility, Sadiq Bey anyone? Detroit says no), Mavericks (possibility, gimme DFS, Bullock, or Kleber), Nuggets (not a lot of room for who they'd want to give up and for where he would fit), and Lakers (no one who Cavs would want, sorry LeBron...).

There just isn't a market for a more efficient, but smaller and less off-ball Jordan Clarkson right now.

[JonFromVA]

Name the 15 players.

Smart (or Tatum), Jrue, Harden, FVV, Lonzo, Simmons, LaMelo, Beal, Haliburton, Cade, Suggs, Luka, Jokic, Dyson Daniels (or Zion), PG/Kawhi, LeBron, Giddey, KPJ/Jalen Green. That's 18 teams/situations where Sexton could play in their system as the guy defending the other team's PG, then you had teams like Utah and Portland being comfortable playing small.

Whether Sexton fits or deserves to start in those contexts is a different question. I wouldn't want many/most of those defensive backcourts.

I have bolded the players you do not want to be your lead ball-handler in a playoff situation. Some reasoning: Lonzo has proven to be a great secondary playmaker, but isn't the best in the half-court, Beal just isn't a great playmaker and your offense isn't going to look great if he's handling the ball most of the time, Suggs is too early to tell (had a dreadful rookie season), Dyson Daniels is a rookie, Zion is a possibility, but I assume he would be Giannis'd and would be much better off-ball, PG/Kawhi would prefer a pure point guard so they do not have to run the offense as much, Giddey is another guy that is a possibility, but is too early to tell, KPJ is straight up not a good playmaker (great assist numbers, but watching his film shows he is not very smart with his passes), and Jalen Green is similar to Suggs. Simmons almost made this list as well, but I left him off.

That leaves his best situations to be Celtics (not likely due to their defensive profile, but if JB was traded he would slot into the Pritchard slot I guess), Bucks (not the worst fit, but who do we get back in this), 6ers (cap hell), Nets (another possibility, but seems like a three team trade), Charlotte (back-court of Sexton and LaMelo sounds problematic), Pacers (back-court of Sexton and Haliburton sounds problematic, but they are tanking so much more feasible. another who do we get back tho?), Detroit (actual possibility, Sadiq Bey anyone? Detroit says no), Mavericks (possibility, gimme DFS, Bullock, or Kleber), Nuggets (not a lot of room for who they'd want to give up and for where he would fit), and Lakers (no one who Cavs would want, sorry LeBron...).

There just isn't a market for a more efficient, but smaller and less off-ball Jordan Clarkson right now.

Just a caveat here ... once Durant/Irving/Mitchell are off the market, it's possible some team will turn their eye towards Collin and then we'll know for sure if there's any market for him.

For instance, what was the Knick's backup plan if they didn't get Brunson, or the Pistons if Jaden Ivey didn't fall to them? It's possible they would have made a serious offer for Collin just like a team may choose to do after striking out on Durant/Mitchell.

So, an offer may still come, but I sure don't expect to be blown away by it. The offers sucked before and Collin has been unable to improve.

[RCM88x]

Honestly a holdout might work in the Cavs favor a bit here, if they start the season well and show that he's not needed, it'll further drive down his value. As much as Sexton on this team sounds nice I just don't think he's capable of proving value at a cost he'll play for.

But I think the whole KD/Kyrie situation has basically put a hold on the whole NBA, and sort of closed the loop on a lot of his possible offers.

I hope the Cavs don't cave here, unless there is a feeling he can be traded at the earliest possible moment on whatever contract he signs. But unfortunately, him playing his year is probably only going to hurt his value, as it would have if he continued to play last year.

[JonFromVA]

Honestly a holdout might work in the Cavs favor a bit here, if they start the season well and show that he's not needed, it'll further drive down his value. As much as Sexton on this team sounds nice I just don't think he's capable of proving value at a cost he'll play for.

But I think the whole KD/Kyrie situation has basically put a hold on the whole NBA, and sort of closed the loop on a lot of his possible offers.

I hope the Cavs don't cave here, unless there is a feeling he can be traded at the earliest possible moment on whatever contract he signs. But unfortunately, him playing his year is probably only going to hurt his value, as it would have if he continued to play last year.

Well, if he's expecting the Cavs to get desperate for his services and increase their offer I think he's going to be disappointed. At best they manage to swing a deal that frees up a roster spot and some cap space and they bump his offer up by a couple of million. I mean go back and look at the Tristan Thompson negotiations, and while everyone declared him the winner of that holdout thanks to LeBron wanting him back ASAP ... the Cavs didn't actually up their initial offer very much. He did end up getting a contract similar to Draymond Green - which as it turns out Green deserved far more than Thompson.

A holdout would keep open the opportunity to be S&T'd to a team of his choosing at a price he wants, and while there's a chance an opportunity that isn't there now may arise at some point ... it's still going to be hard for him to increase his value to another team when they haven't seen him on the floor post injury. His best case scenario may be to wait for a contender to lose their PG to an injury and hope they are willing to trade a protected pick (or something) to the Cavs in a S&T on a cheap deal in order try him out.

But if his goal is to remain a Cavalier and prove himself on this team, he just needs to come in out of the cold and either take the QO or take the 3yr deal.

[toooskies]

Honestly a holdout might work in the Cavs favor a bit here, if they start the season well and show that he's not needed, it'll further drive down his value. As much as Sexton on this team sounds nice I just don't think he's capable of proving value at a cost he'll play for.

But I think the whole KD/Kyrie situation has basically put a hold on the whole NBA, and sort of closed the loop on a lot of his possible offers.

I hope the Cavs don't cave here, unless there is a feeling he can be traded at the earliest possible moment on whatever contract he signs. But unfortunately, him playing his year is probably only going to hurt his value, as it would have if he continued to play last year.

Well, if he's expecting the Cavs to get desperate for his services and increase their offer I think he's going to be disappointed. At best they manage to swing a deal that frees up a roster spot and some cap space and they bump his offer up by a couple of million. I mean go back and look at the Tristan Thompson negotiations, and while everyone declared him the winner of that holdout thanks to LeBron wanting him back ASAP ... the Cavs didn't actually up their initial offer very much. He did end up getting a contract similar to Draymond Green - which as it turns out Green deserved far more than Thompson.

A holdout would keep open the opportunity to be S&T'd to a team of his choosing at a price he wants, and while there's a chance an opportunity that isn't there now may arise at some point ... it's still going to be hard for him to increase his value to another team when they haven't seen him on the floor post injury. His best case scenario may be to wait for a contender to lose their PG to an injury and hope they are willing to trade a protected pick (or something) to the Cavs in a S&T on a cheap deal in order try him out.

But if his goal is to remain a Cavalier and prove himself on this team, he just needs to come in out of the cold and either take the QO or take the 3yr deal.

It's interesting that TT was the Cavs' actual 6th man and got a deal worth over 20% of the salary cap, while Sexton's offer is barely 10% of the cap.

[ijspeelman]

Honestly a holdout might work in the Cavs favor a bit here, if they start the season well and show that he's not needed, it'll further drive down his value. As much as Sexton on this team sounds nice I just don't think he's capable of proving value at a cost he'll play for.

But I think the whole KD/Kyrie situation has basically put a hold on the whole NBA, and sort of closed the loop on a lot of his possible offers.

I hope the Cavs don't cave here, unless there is a feeling he can be traded at the earliest possible moment on whatever contract he signs. But unfortunately, him playing his year is probably only going to hurt his value, as it would have if he continued to play last year.

Well, if he's expecting the Cavs to get desperate for his services and increase their offer I think he's going to be disappointed. At best they manage to swing a deal that frees up a roster spot and some cap space and they bump his offer up by a couple of million. I mean go back and look at the Tristan Thompson negotiations, and while everyone declared him the winner of that holdout thanks to LeBron wanting him back ASAP ... the Cavs didn't actually up their initial offer very much. He did end up getting a contract similar to Draymond Green - which as it turns out Green deserved far more than Thompson.

A holdout would keep open the opportunity to be S&T'd to a team of his choosing at a price he wants, and while there's a chance an opportunity that isn't there now may arise at some point ... it's still going to be hard for him to increase his value to another team when they haven't seen him on the floor post injury. His best case scenario may be to wait for a contender to lose their PG to an injury and hope they are willing to trade a protected pick (or something) to the Cavs in a S&T on a cheap deal in order try him out.

But if his goal is to remain a Cavalier and prove himself on this team, he just needs to come in out of the cold and either take the QO or take the 3yr deal.

It's interesting that TT was the Cavs' actual 6th man and got a deal worth over 20% of the salary cap, while Sexton's offer is barely 10% of the cap.

And it could was construed as a mistake back then. That was done because of the power of LeBron and the Cavs willing to go into the luxury tax to compete for a championship. I don't think the Sexton signing it helping us win a championship next year so why over-pay him right now.

I will admit the Cavs are in an odd spot where they may want to consider bidding against the QO since getting Sexton on a cheap contract (even if more than $40/3) will make him a lightly valuable trade asset in the future whereas the QO makes him way less valuable to a competing team. But... at the same time the Cavs seem to be certain Sexton is not in the future of our success so they do not want to be stuck with him, especially after his ACL tear. I assume his contract will be renegotiated up to something like $45-50/3 and both parties will be happy enough.

If I am Sexton, I am not betting on showing out next year since the QO basically guarantees he's not part of the Cavs future thus he will most likely have an incredibly diminished role. He may also not be the same player due to the ACL tear. Sexton basically just has to hope KD/Kyrie/Mitchell trades happen (or don't) and another team wants the S&T. So this will most likely go on until the moment before he is forced to take the QO.

[JonFromVA]

Well, if he's expecting the Cavs to get desperate for his services and increase their offer I think he's going to be disappointed. At best they manage to swing a deal that frees up a roster spot and some cap space and they bump his offer up by a couple of million. I mean go back and look at the Tristan Thompson negotiations, and while everyone declared him the winner of that holdout thanks to LeBron wanting him back ASAP ... the Cavs didn't actually up their initial offer very much. He did end up getting a contract similar to Draymond Green - which as it turns out Green deserved far more than Thompson.

A holdout would keep open the opportunity to be S&T'd to a team of his choosing at a price he wants, and while there's a chance an opportunity that isn't there now may arise at some point ... it's still going to be hard for him to increase his value to another team when they haven't seen him on the floor post injury. His best case scenario may be to wait for a contender to lose their PG to an injury and hope they are willing to trade a protected pick (or something) to the Cavs in a S&T on a cheap deal in order try him out.

But if his goal is to remain a Cavalier and prove himself on this team, he just needs to come in out of the cold and either take the QO or take the 3yr deal.

It's interesting that TT was the Cavs' actual 6th man and got a deal worth over 20% of the salary cap, while Sexton's offer is barely 10% of the cap.

And it could was construed as a mistake back then. That was done because of the power of LeBron and the Cavs willing to go into the luxury tax to compete for a championship. I don't think the Sexton signing it helping us win a championship next year so why over-pay him right now.

I will admit the Cavs are in an odd spot where they may want to consider bidding against the QO since getting Sexton on a cheap contract (even if more than $40/3) will make him a lightly valuable trade asset in the future whereas the QO makes him way less valuable to a competing team. But... at the same time the Cavs seem to be certain Sexton is not in the future of our success so they do not want to be stuck with him, especially after his ACL tear. I assume his contract will be renegotiated up to something like $45-50/3 and both parties will be happy enough.

If I am Sexton, I am not betting on showing out next year since the QO basically guarantees he's not part of the Cavs future thus he will most likely have an incredibly diminished role. He may also not be the same player due to the ACL tear. Sexton basically just has to hope KD/Kyrie/Mitchell trades happen (or don't) and another team wants the S&T. So this will most likely go on until the moment before he is forced to take the QO.

The QO doesn't close any doors as far as the Cavs are concerned unless Collin slams them himself. It's actually kind of ideal in certain ways (for the Cavs not Collin)...

1) We can still trade him, but need his permission and the team that gets him won't get Bird rights so may see it as a rental/trial.
2) Cap flexibility as we get him for even less than we've targeted.
3) He still needs to prove himself, show he's recovered, show he can fit in well with a team, play defense, etc.
4) The Cavs will have his Bird rights but can decide whether they care to pay him and how much after looking in to other options with their cap space next Summer.

[KuruptedCav]

Honestly a holdout might work in the Cavs favor a bit here, if they start the season well and show that he's not needed, it'll further drive down his value. As much as Sexton on this team sounds nice I just don't think he's capable of proving value at a cost he'll play for.

But I think the whole KD/Kyrie situation has basically put a hold on the whole NBA, and sort of closed the loop on a lot of his possible offers.

I hope the Cavs don't cave here, unless there is a feeling he can be traded at the earliest possible moment on whatever contract he signs. But unfortunately, him playing his year is probably only going to hurt his value, as it would have if he continued to play last year.

Well, if he's expecting the Cavs to get desperate for his services and increase their offer I think he's going to be disappointed. At best they manage to swing a deal that frees up a roster spot and some cap space and they bump his offer up by a couple of million. I mean go back and look at the Tristan Thompson negotiations, and while everyone declared him the winner of that holdout thanks to LeBron wanting him back ASAP ... the Cavs didn't actually up their initial offer very much. He did end up getting a contract similar to Draymond Green - which as it turns out Green deserved far more than Thompson.

A holdout would keep open the opportunity to be S&T'd to a team of his choosing at a price he wants, and while there's a chance an opportunity that isn't there now may arise at some point ... it's still going to be hard for him to increase his value to another team when they haven't seen him on the floor post injury. His best case scenario may be to wait for a contender to lose their PG to an injury and hope they are willing to trade a protected pick (or something) to the Cavs in a S&T on a cheap deal in order try him out.

But if his goal is to remain a Cavalier and prove himself on this team, he just needs to come in out of the cold and either take the QO or take the 3yr deal.

It's interesting that TT was the Cavs' actual 6th man and got a deal worth over 20% of the salary cap, while Sexton's offer is barely 10% of the cap.

Different set of circumstances. There was no way to replace TT, Cavs were operating as an Over the Tax team, were in the middle a championship window, and TT had shown himself to be a big part of that.

In contrast: There is disincentive to start the Tax Clock this year, Sexton plays the positions with the most depth on the team, and he hasn’t shown to be integral to any level of success, and the championship window hasn’t even cracked open yet.


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[JonFromVA]

Well, if he's expecting the Cavs to get desperate for his services and increase their offer I think he's going to be disappointed. At best they manage to swing a deal that frees up a roster spot and some cap space and they bump his offer up by a couple of million. I mean go back and look at the Tristan Thompson negotiations, and while everyone declared him the winner of that holdout thanks to LeBron wanting him back ASAP ... the Cavs didn't actually up their initial offer very much. He did end up getting a contract similar to Draymond Green - which as it turns out Green deserved far more than Thompson.

A holdout would keep open the opportunity to be S&T'd to a team of his choosing at a price he wants, and while there's a chance an opportunity that isn't there now may arise at some point ... it's still going to be hard for him to increase his value to another team when they haven't seen him on the floor post injury. His best case scenario may be to wait for a contender to lose their PG to an injury and hope they are willing to trade a protected pick (or something) to the Cavs in a S&T on a cheap deal in order try him out.

But if his goal is to remain a Cavalier and prove himself on this team, he just needs to come in out of the cold and either take the QO or take the 3yr deal.

It's interesting that TT was the Cavs' actual 6th man and got a deal worth over 20% of the salary cap, while Sexton's offer is barely 10% of the cap.

Different set of circumstances. There was no way to replace TT, Cavs were operating as an Over the Tax team, were in the middle a championship window, and TT had shown himself to be a big part of that.

In contrast: There is disincentive to start the Tax Clock this year, Sexton plays the positions with the most depth on the team, and he hasn’t shown to be integral to any level of success, and the championship window hasn’t even cracked open yet.

Not to mention, but Tristan had been the Cavs starting PF until they traded for Kevin Love, he'd started in every playoff game after Kevin got hurt, and Mozgov had a knee injury that never properly healed, and Andy was near the end of his career.

So, it didn't take a crystal ball to know he could help the team win and we'd soon need him to be starting again.

The only box that Collin can check is that he had been our starting SG until he got hurt, but he never got the chance to demonstrate that it would work and in fact we got counter-evidence that we may be better with Rubio or Okoro.

LeVert is in a similar boat thanks to his injuries after we acquired him.

Can they help us win? Simple question that's been elusive to demonstrate.

[jbk1234]

Honestly a holdout might work in the Cavs favor a bit here, if they start the season well and show that he's not needed, it'll further drive down his value. As much as Sexton on this team sounds nice I just don't think he's capable of proving value at a cost he'll play for.

But I think the whole KD/Kyrie situation has basically put a hold on the whole NBA, and sort of closed the loop on a lot of his possible offers.

I hope the Cavs don't cave here, unless there is a feeling he can be traded at the earliest possible moment on whatever contract he signs. But unfortunately, him playing his year is probably only going to hurt his value, as it would have if he continued to play last year.

Well, if he's expecting the Cavs to get desperate for his services and increase their offer I think he's going to be disappointed. At best they manage to swing a deal that frees up a roster spot and some cap space and they bump his offer up by a couple of million. I mean go back and look at the Tristan Thompson negotiations, and while everyone declared him the winner of that holdout thanks to LeBron wanting him back ASAP ... the Cavs didn't actually up their initial offer very much. He did end up getting a contract similar to Draymond Green - which as it turns out Green deserved far more than Thompson.

A holdout would keep open the opportunity to be S&T'd to a team of his choosing at a price he wants, and while there's a chance an opportunity that isn't there now may arise at some point ... it's still going to be hard for him to increase his value to another team when they haven't seen him on the floor post injury. His best case scenario may be to wait for a contender to lose their PG to an injury and hope they are willing to trade a protected pick (or something) to the Cavs in a S&T on a cheap deal in order try him out.

But if his goal is to remain a Cavalier and prove himself on this team, he just needs to come in out of the cold and either take the QO or take the 3yr deal.

It's interesting that TT was the Cavs' actual 6th man and got a deal worth over 20% of the salary cap, while Sexton's offer is barely 10% of the cap.

And that contract turned out to be untradeable from the moment he signed it, untill he finally fell off the books and signed for the MLE with the Celtics.

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Is Caris LeVert positive value?


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Is Caris LeVert positive value?


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I wouldn't want to extend his contract at his current salary, so no.

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Well, if he's expecting the Cavs to get desperate for his services and increase their offer I think he's going to be disappointed. At best they manage to swing a deal that frees up a roster spot and some cap space and they bump his offer up by a couple of million. I mean go back and look at the Tristan Thompson negotiations, and while everyone declared him the winner of that holdout thanks to LeBron wanting him back ASAP ... the Cavs didn't actually up their initial offer very much. He did end up getting a contract similar to Draymond Green - which as it turns out Green deserved far more than Thompson.

A holdout would keep open the opportunity to be S&T'd to a team of his choosing at a price he wants, and while there's a chance an opportunity that isn't there now may arise at some point ... it's still going to be hard for him to increase his value to another team when they haven't seen him on the floor post injury. His best case scenario may be to wait for a contender to lose their PG to an injury and hope they are willing to trade a protected pick (or something) to the Cavs in a S&T on a cheap deal in order try him out.

But if his goal is to remain a Cavalier and prove himself on this team, he just needs to come in out of the cold and either take the QO or take the 3yr deal.

It's interesting that TT was the Cavs' actual 6th man and got a deal worth over 20% of the salary cap, while Sexton's offer is barely 10% of the cap.

And that contract turned out to be untradeable from the moment he signed it, untill he finally fell off the books and signed for the MLE with the Celtics.

Well, most of the contracts those Cavs teams signed were untradable. Because even with LeBron, there was usually a premium required to sign a deal to stay in Cleveland.