Off-Season Volume 7: Hello Darkness my only friend

[MartyCONLONNN]

soooo... even deadbeat Ira reported Bam has been included in offers for KD. Icc, I think you gotta clear up your sources there.

If Miami is still alive in this as many are reporting, it is because Bam is a piece here. Why would BKN turn down Jaylen Brown for Herro and late 1st round picks.......

Still not buying it. If Bam was included it would be done already. If so, Miami must be looking to bring an additional star back in a bigger 4 team deal along with KD. It’s the only way this would make sense.

why aren't you buying that Bam is at least in the convo? Ira wouldn't say that unless his Miami people are 100% sure especially since he never actually reports. He speculates. He's like the Heat company shill. Jaylen Brown is a true star who in many instances led Boston to the Finals at 25 years old and BKN turned the offer down, yet Miami homers want to believe the crappy picks + Jovic and Herro are keeping us in talks? Can we please use our common sense?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

soooo... even deadbeat Ira reported Bam has been included in offers for KD. Icc, I think you gotta clear up your sources there.

If Miami is still alive in this as many are reporting, it is because Bam is a piece here. Why would BKN turn down Jaylen Brown for Herro and late 1st round picks.......

Tbf, Ira’s piece reads more like Heat have internal discussions not that he has been offered in a trade

Although hardly revelatory, yes, the Heat have had discussions regarding Adebayo in a Durant trade. That also is nothing more than the due diligence typical whenever a significant trade piece comes to market, just as it was when beloved franchise pieces Brian Grant and Caron Butler were put into play for Shaquille O’Neal in 2004 or when Eddie Jones was dealt a year later to complete a championship core.

But now it is different than when one specific highly influential member of the franchise recently ruled Adebayo off-limits. That was before the stakes formally were set. Now, that’s what it will take. Because now a party privy to the Nets’ machinations set the bar at Jaylen Brown . . . or better.

Hey we agree! Was coming back to say this. There’s a difference in being “discussed” and being “offered” Im sure Jimmy has been discussed too. Im sure a KD and Kyrie swap has been discussed with Bam. This doesn’t mean any of it has actually been offered

[3ammy3uck3ts]

soooo... even deadbeat Ira reported Bam has been included in offers for KD. Icc, I think you gotta clear up your sources there.

If Miami is still alive in this as many are reporting, it is because Bam is a piece here. Why would BKN turn down Jaylen Brown for Herro and late 1st round picks.......

Still not buying it. If Bam was included it would be done already. If so, Miami must be looking to bring an additional star back in a bigger 4 team deal along with KD. It’s the only way this would make sense.

why aren't you buying that Bam is at least in the convo? Ira wouldn't say that unless his Miami people are 100% sure especially since he never actually reports. He speculates. He's like the Heat company shill. Jaylen Brown is a true star who in many instances led Boston to the Finals at 25 years old and BKN turned the offer down, yet Miami homers want to believe the crappy picks + Jovic and Herro are keeping us in talks? Can we please use our common sense?

See my last post. He probably has been discussed, doubt he’s been offered or it would be done by now.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Why is Miami still in this race by all indications, if Jaylen Brown is on the table? I don't want Bam gone (I rather pivot and find a 4 at this point), but can anyone offer why Miami is in this race when a talent like JB and a 1st has been offered to BKN and rejected because it's not enough. BKN would only leak that if they felt other offers were close to or as good as that 1. Miamis Jovic Herro and 4 picks is literal crap compared to a young elite talent like JB.

Either way, Boston better get this done or else they might have a problem on their hands with throwing around Brown's name so recklessly. Dude gets no respect when Tatum was the guy disappearing every other playoff game.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If Bam is being offered for KD there won’t be a single better deal out there than that.

They can't take Bam without moving Simmons. Unless they can find a decent value deal for Simmons, that trade doesn't make sense for them.

There’s 28 other teams out there, if they were desperately trying to move Ben to bring in Bam because he’s been offered it would be done by now. Someone like the Kings or pistons would love to have Simmons

[SerialChiller]

Still not buying it. If Bam was included it would be done already. If so, Miami must be looking to bring an additional star back in a bigger 4 team deal along with KD. It’s the only way this would make sense.

why aren't you buying that Bam is at least in the convo? Ira wouldn't say that unless his Miami people are 100% sure especially since he never actually reports. He speculates. He's like the Heat company shill. Jaylen Brown is a true star who in many instances led Boston to the Finals at 25 years old and BKN turned the offer down, yet Miami homers want to believe the crappy picks + Jovic and Herro are keeping us in talks? Can we please use our common sense?

See my last post. He probably has been discussed, doubt he’s been offered or it would be done by now.

I doubt he's been offered too. But the Simmons hitch might be why it wouldn't be done yet idk...I think his value's really went down and the Nets would be holding out trying to get as much as they can for him just like KD.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Why is Miami still in this race by all indications, if Jaylen Brown is on the table? I don't want Bam gone (I rather pivot and find a 4 at this point), but can anyone offer why Miami is in this race when a talent like JB and a 1st has been offered to BKN and rejected because it's not enough. BKN would only leak that if they felt other offers were close to or as good as that 1. Miamis Jovic Herro and 4 picks is literal crap compared to a young elite talent like JB.

It comes down to preference. Brooklyn may like Herro Jovic and 5 1sts over Jaylen and just 1 1st.

[Heat_Down_Under]

All these pages just to play Caleb at the 4….

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Pacers have a glut of PF/Cs, wonder if they'd be willing to part with one of Jalen Smith, Oshae Brissett or Isaiah Jackson? Hell I'd even take Danny Theis, guy hustles his balls off and can hit the corner 3 (he makes $8.7 next season tho so it would be difficult to match salaries)

[MartyCONLONNN]

Why is Miami still in this race by all indications, if Jaylen Brown is on the table? I don't want Bam gone (I rather pivot and find a 4 at this point), but can anyone offer why Miami is in this race when a talent like JB and a 1st has been offered to BKN and rejected because it's not enough. BKN would only leak that if they felt other offers were close to or as good as that 1. Miamis Jovic Herro and 4 picks is literal crap compared to a young elite talent like JB.

It comes down to preference. Brooklyn may like Herro Jovic and 5 1sts over Jaylen and just 1 1st.

That is fair, but 5 firsts is a context thing. Those don't have a chance in hell to be good picks lol. Jovic is a weak prospect and Herro is set to garner an extension that's larger than Brown's was at half the talent level lol. I think there is a little homerism going on here which I totally understand. I do think when Bam was asked about it, he clearly wasnt told by FO that he was safe in these talks which surprised me and I find it pretty feasible that he be in these negotiations, especially if Boston hasn't completely shut down the idea of countering. Just my opinion.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Pacers have a glut of PF/Cs, wonder if they'd be willing to part with one of Jalen Smith, Oshae Brissett or Isaiah Jackson? Hell I'd even take Danny Theis, guy hustles his balls off and can hit the corner 3 (he makes $8.7 next season tho so it would be difficult to match salaries)

I’d love Brissett

[Timantha]

Why is Miami still in this race by all indications, if Jaylen Brown is on the table? I don't want Bam gone (I rather pivot and find a 4 at this point), but can anyone offer why Miami is in this race when a talent like JB and a 1st has been offered to BKN and rejected because it's not enough. BKN would only leak that if they felt other offers were close to or as good as that 1. Miamis Jovic Herro and 4 picks is literal crap compared to a young elite talent like JB.

Either way, Boston better get this done or else they might have a problem on their hands with throwing around Brown's name so recklessly. Dude gets no respect when Tatum was the guy disappearing every other playoff game.

Do you think Jaylen Brown has a say in whether he gets traded or not? His camp could publicly leak that he's not going to stay in Brooklyn and it'll just be a 2 yr rental (like what AD did to the Celtics). I feel like Jaylen's best interest is to stay with the Celtics, make All-NBA and get the supermax extension

[IceColdCubano]

Still not buying it. If Bam was included it would be done already. If so, Miami must be looking to bring an additional star back in a bigger 4 team deal along with KD. It’s the only way this would make sense.

why aren't you buying that Bam is at least in the convo? Ira wouldn't say that unless his Miami people are 100% sure especially since he never actually reports. He speculates. He's like the Heat company shill. Jaylen Brown is a true star who in many instances led Boston to the Finals at 25 years old and BKN turned the offer down, yet Miami homers want to believe the crappy picks + Jovic and Herro are keeping us in talks? Can we please use our common sense?

See my last post. He probably has been discussed, doubt he’s been offered or it would be done by now.

Miami has tried to keep Bam off limits to the best of their ability, obviously I reported early on that they had a scenario where Bam could be offloaded but they were keeping that in the background as an opportunity not one to come out and have to use. They do have a scenario trade at least they did early on to move Bam to Brooklyn while a third team absorbed Ben Simmons, it sounds like they had one more hand to play by offering Struss to pick up an additional pick.

Upper management or one of the Arison's definitely wants to know Heat GM exhausted and did everything possible to keep Bam and catch Durant all together. Boston's proposal definitely trumps what we have without knowing A. what two players are headed their way in the deal I was told, B. If those RFP's are swaps for other ones from another team, giving them better RFP's in return, unprotected or protected to a degree which will be better than ours regardless.

Who knows, It could all change by tonight, tomorrow, or next thing you know, GSW throws something out there to trump everybody, just cause they can.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Why is Miami still in this race by all indications, if Jaylen Brown is on the table? I don't want Bam gone (I rather pivot and find a 4 at this point), but can anyone offer why Miami is in this race when a talent like JB and a 1st has been offered to BKN and rejected because it's not enough. BKN would only leak that if they felt other offers were close to or as good as that 1. Miamis Jovic Herro and 4 picks is literal crap compared to a young elite talent like JB.

It comes down to preference. Brooklyn may like Herro Jovic and 5 1sts over Jaylen and just 1 1st.

That is fair, but 5 firsts is a context thing. Those don't have a chance in hell to be good picks lol. Jovic is a weak prospect and Herro is set to garner an extension that's larger than Brown's was at half the talent level lol. I think there is a little homerism going on here which I totally understand. I do think when Bam was asked about it, he clearly wasnt told by FO that he was safe in these talks which surprised me and I find it pretty feasible that he be in these negotiations, especially if Boston hasn't completely shut down the idea of countering. Just my opinion.

And you may very well be right, that’s the fun of it all. Whether ICC is right or not none of us know 100% for sure what is going to happen or what exactly has been discussed/offered. I guess on the brightside this all should be settled by training camp at the latest which is sometime in September I believe.

I know Gobert is no KD but there’s a solid chance the picks they got for him won’t be very good either. That 1 Celtics pick offered for KD may very well be the last pick of the round.

[DayofMourning]

Butler for Brown?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

why aren't you buying that Bam is at least in the convo? Ira wouldn't say that unless his Miami people are 100% sure especially since he never actually reports. He speculates. He's like the Heat company shill. Jaylen Brown is a true star who in many instances led Boston to the Finals at 25 years old and BKN turned the offer down, yet Miami homers want to believe the crappy picks + Jovic and Herro are keeping us in talks? Can we please use our common sense?

See my last post. He probably has been discussed, doubt he’s been offered or it would be done by now.

Miami has tried to keep Bam off limits to the best of their ability, obviously I reported early on that they had a scenario where Bam could be offloaded but they were keeping that in the background as an opportunity not one to come out and have to use. They do have a scenario trade at least they did early on to move Bam to Brooklyn while a third team absorbed Ben Simmons, it sounds like they had one more hand to play by offering Struss to pick up an additional pick.

Upper management or one of the Arison's definitely wants to know Heat GM exhausted and did everything possible to keep Bam and catch Durant all together. Boston's proposal definitely trumps what we have without knowing A. what two players are headed their way in the deal I was told, B. If those RFP's are swaps for other ones from another team, giving them better RFP's in return, unprotected or protected to a degree which will be better than ours regardless.

Who knows, It could all change by tonight, tomorrow, or next thing you know, GSW throws something out there to trump everybody, just cause they can.

If we trade Bam for KD is there a follow up with Herro Lowry and picks for another star to pair with them?

[IceColdCubano]

Why is Miami still in this race by all indications, if Jaylen Brown is on the table? I don't want Bam gone (I rather pivot and find a 4 at this point), but can anyone offer why Miami is in this race when a talent like JB and a 1st has been offered to BKN and rejected because it's not enough. BKN would only leak that if they felt other offers were close to or as good as that 1. Miamis Jovic Herro and 4 picks is literal crap compared to a young elite talent like JB.

Either way, Boston better get this done or else they might have a problem on their hands with throwing around Brown's name so recklessly. Dude gets no respect when Tatum was the guy disappearing every other playoff game.

Do you think Jaylen Brown has a say in whether he gets traded or not? His camp could publicly leak that he's not going to stay in Brooklyn and it'll just be a 2 yr rental (like what AD did to the Celtics). I feel like Jaylen's best interest is to stay with the Celtics, make All-NBA and get the supermax extension

Jalon Brown would average 28-30ppg as the lone star in Brooklyn, he's a microwave scorer and with enough shots puts up lots of points. He would get a super Max playing for Brooklyn a full season as the premier player.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Brown shot 72% in the restricted area, highest for a guard in 10+ years

[Timantha]

Why is Miami still in this race by all indications, if Jaylen Brown is on the table? I don't want Bam gone (I rather pivot and find a 4 at this point), but can anyone offer why Miami is in this race when a talent like JB and a 1st has been offered to BKN and rejected because it's not enough. BKN would only leak that if they felt other offers were close to or as good as that 1. Miamis Jovic Herro and 4 picks is literal crap compared to a young elite talent like JB.

Either way, Boston better get this done or else they might have a problem on their hands with throwing around Brown's name so recklessly. Dude gets no respect when Tatum was the guy disappearing every other playoff game.

Do you think Jaylen Brown has a say in whether he gets traded or not? His camp could publicly leak that he's not going to stay in Brooklyn and it'll just be a 2 yr rental (like what AD did to the Celtics). I feel like Jaylen's best interest is to stay with the Celtics, make All-NBA and get the supermax extension

Jalon Brown would average 28-30ppg as the lone star in Brooklyn, he's a microwave scorer and with enough shots puts up lots of points. He would get a super Max playing for Brooklyn a full season as the premier player.

Can't you only be offered the super max from the team that drafts you? Once the Celtics trade him, he's only getting the normal max right?

[IceColdCubano]

Do you think Jaylen Brown has a say in whether he gets traded or not? His camp could publicly leak that he's not going to stay in Brooklyn and it'll just be a 2 yr rental (like what AD did to the Celtics). I feel like Jaylen's best interest is to stay with the Celtics, make All-NBA and get the supermax extension

Jalon Brown would average 28-30ppg as the lone star in Brooklyn, he's a microwave scorer and with enough shots puts up lots of points. He would get a super Max playing for Brooklyn a full season as the premier player.

Can't you only be offered the super max from the team that drafts you? Once the Celtics trade him, he's only getting the normal max right?

I would guess you are correct, not too knowledgeable with the rules, unless you can get someone bird rights but I don't know it that works with the super max. I know he will get every penny the CBA would allow in Brooklyn that's for sure.