Whos the GOAT franchise?

[whatisacenter]

The warriors were garbage before 2013 lol

Hey! They went to the playoffs once in 16 years! Lol

[old skool]

Seems a bit skewed when a Heat fan asks about GOAT franchises but limits the period being considered by starting with the season immediately after the Heat were founded.

All time (not just since 1990) the Spurs, Celtics and Lakers each have a winning percentage just over .590, with 5, 17 and 17 titles respectively. I would rank the Celtics and Lakers higher than the Spurs since their track record is longer, dating back to the inception of the association. I would rank the Celtics over the Lakers given that they are tied with 17 titles, but Boston has remained in its original city, while the Lakers moved once - a minor distinction that I feel is a suitable tie breaker for two teams that are otherwise equally successful.

[Beethoven]

LAKERS. Who else??

[Hangtime84]

Lakers & Celtics
Bulls
Spurs (20 year run of just being a contender each year should be worth something)
Warriors
Pistons

[AussieRules]

Best since 1990 you say? Correct answer here is: The Lakers.

[xinxin]

so from reading all the posts... i think its comes down to spurs/lakers.... they have been the two most consistent franchises since the 90s.... both owning two impressives dynastys in that timeframe also.... so which one would i go with? i think im going spurs... the lakers bubble title doesnt impress me. so at 5-5 each in the modern era, spurs for me.

if you don’t want to count the Lakers bubble title, it’s only fair that you shouldn’t count the lock out shortened ‘99 season for the Spurs.. the bubble season at least had 72 games per team , & the playoffs were all best of 7 series.. whereas the 99 season only had 50 games for the regular season and the first round was only a best of 5..


which will give the lakers a 5-4 lead over the spurs. Lakers also had 2 back to back chips, that the Spurs never did even with pretty much the same core..

Plus, 8 finals appearances for the lakers over 5 for the spurs. Don’t forget Magic’s last finals appearance was in 91.


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[dhsilv2]

so from reading all the posts... i think its comes down to spurs/lakers.... they have been the two most consistent franchises since the 90s.... both owning two impressives dynastys in that timeframe also.... so which one would i go with? i think im going spurs... the lakers bubble title doesnt impress me. so at 5-5 each in the modern era, spurs for me.

if you don’t want to count the Lakers bubble title, it’s only fair that you shouldn’t count the lock out shortened ‘99 season for the Spurs.. the bubble season at least had 72 games per team , & the playoffs were all best of 7 series.. whereas the 99 season only had 50 games for the regular season and the first round was only a best of 5..


which will give the lakers a 5-4 lead over the spurs. Lakers also had 2 back to back chips, that the Spurs never did even with pretty much the same core..

Plus, 8 finals appearances for the lakers over 5 for the spurs. Don’t forget Magic’s last finals appearance was in 91.


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Sorry but the bubble and the lockout are two completely different things. You can't compare completely ending the NBA season only to have some Disney camp playoffs.

Also the spurs made 6 finals, not 5. The spurs won more games in total over this time frame (225 regular season games). Spurs made the playoffs 29 times vs 24 for the lakers. Spurs lost in the conference finals 5 times vs the lakers 1. Lost in the simi finals 9 times vs 7.

You can certainly choose the lakers here based on the extra title and a few more finals, but the spurs have certainly had more success in terms of simply winning games and being competitive more consistently.

[xinxin]

so from reading all the posts... i think its comes down to spurs/lakers.... they have been the two most consistent franchises since the 90s.... both owning two impressives dynastys in that timeframe also.... so which one would i go with? i think im going spurs... the lakers bubble title doesnt impress me. so at 5-5 each in the modern era, spurs for me.

if you don’t want to count the Lakers bubble title, it’s only fair that you shouldn’t count the lock out shortened ‘99 season for the Spurs.. the bubble season at least had 72 games per team , & the playoffs were all best of 7 series.. whereas the 99 season only had 50 games for the regular season and the first round was only a best of 5..


which will give the lakers a 5-4 lead over the spurs. Lakers also had 2 back to back chips, that the Spurs never did even with pretty much the same core..

Plus, 8 finals appearances for the lakers over 5 for the spurs. Don’t forget Magic’s last finals appearance was in 91.


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Sorry but the bubble and the lockout are two completely different things. You can't compare completely ending the NBA season only to have some Disney camp playoffs.

Also the spurs made 6 finals, not 5. The spurs won more games in total over this time frame (225 regular season games). Spurs made the playoffs 29 times vs 24 for the lakers. Spurs lost in the conference finals 5 times vs the lakers 1. Lost in the simi finals 9 times vs 7.

You can certainly choose the lakers here based on the extra title and a few more finals, but the spurs have certainly had more success in terms of simply winning games and being competitive more consistently.

I know the Spurs went to 6 finals. I only said 5 as a hypothetical answer to what the other poster said that the bubble title didn’t count, thus my counter was the 99 lockout season shouldn’t count either. So instead of 9 NBA finals for the lakers, let’s go with 8. While instead of 6 finals for the Spurs, let’s bring it down to 5.

It’s silly I understand . But he started it. Ha ha


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[Ballerhogger]

seriously we always debate whos goat but this one is more interesting and different... i was thinking this today... in international football, brazil has dominated football and won the most world cups in history... but in the nba, its more complicated to measure this feat cuz the nba only had 8 teams in the past so i think you'd have to measure it from 1990 to 2022....who is the goat franchise?? gime your top 5, in order with 1 being the greatest.

5-miami heat - under wade, the heat managed to win 3x title in the modern era.
4-San Antonio Spurs - under duncan the spurs dominated the modern era and have been one of the most successfull franchises in the nba.
3- Golden State warriors - the curry era has been nice, and made its mark on the league. i put them at #3.
2- L.A lakers - the lakeshow with kobe has been gets the spot at #2. there the closest to the bulls.
1- Chicago Bulls - Despite being completely irrelevant lately, there my goat franchise and has the most impressive feat the nba has seen. Jordan and the Bulls are da goats.

i wish i could put lebrons cavs here, but he only managed to win 1 title with a superteam... oh well

Objectively it’s the lakers. We’ve one at least once a decade

[Ballerhogger]

Best since 1990 you say? Correct answer here is: The Lakers.

You can argue since late 80s as well

[akula1488]

the WORST franchise is more up to debate I think

[HighFlyer23]

the WORST franchise is more up to debate I think

Probably the Clippers

[Pythagoras]

Is there a reason the OP chose 1990 as the cutoff?

[theforumblue]

most titles. threepeat. back-to-back. most finals appearances. spurs get credit for being consistent. but not consistent enough to put together a squad that managed a back-to-back let alone a threepeat.

[Jfh20]

Is there a reason the OP chose 1990 as the cutoff?

thats about the time my heat came into the league... thats why.

[SOUL]

First one that comes to mind is Spurs. I think it's harder to win nowadays with more parity and teams in general. Smaller market, did it pretty quietly and without much fanfare.

[Pythagoras]

Is there a reason the OP chose 1990 as the cutoff?

thats about the time my heat came into the league... thats why.

Fair enough.

[Pythagoras]

Using 90 as the cutoff, my list would be

1 Lakers
2 Spurs
3 Bulls
4 Heat
5 Cavs

Suns, Mavs, and Celtics all get honorable mentions.

The Bulls have been fairly irrelevant outside of the Jordan years, but the Jordan years were so dominant that they get a spot.

The Suns had some really good runs in the 90s and 2000s, but they were never able to break through and win.

The Mavs have had Dirk and Luka, and would be pretty close to cracking the list.

A lot of people only associate the Cavs success with only Lebron, but they actually had some really good teams in the 90s.

[Big J]

Using 90 as the cutoff, my list would be

1 Lakers
2 Spurs
3 Bulls
4 Heat
5 Cavs

Suns, Mavs, and Celtics all get honorable mentions.

The Bulls have been fairly irrelevant outside of the Jordan years, but the Jordan years were so dominant that they get a spot.

The Suns had some really good runs in the 90s and 2000s, but they were never able to break through and win.

The Mavs have had Dirk and Luka, and would be pretty close to cracking the list.

A lot of people only associate the Cavs success with only Lebron, but they actually had some really good teams in the 90s.

How do Warriors with 4 chips & 6 finals appearances not even make honorable mention?

[Pythagoras]

Using 90 as the cutoff, my list would be

1 Lakers
2 Spurs
3 Bulls
4 Heat
5 Cavs

Suns, Mavs, and Celtics all get honorable mentions.

The Bulls have been fairly irrelevant outside of the Jordan years, but the Jordan years were so dominant that they get a spot.

The Suns had some really good runs in the 90s and 2000s, but they were never able to break through and win.

The Mavs have had Dirk and Luka, and would be pretty close to cracking the list.

A lot of people only associate the Cavs success with only Lebron, but they actually had some really good teams in the 90s.

How do Warriors with 4 chips & 6 finals appearances not even make honorable mention?

Lol, my bad. Warriors are definitely deserving of an honorable mention as well.