2022-23 Regular Season

[jbk1234]

Is Caris LeVert positive value?


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Honestly, I think we'd be lucky to swap him for an expiring Bojan or Beverly straight up.

[ijspeelman]

Is Caris LeVert positive value?


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Probably too early to tell. Last season he had to play with our injured roster and didn't get the benefit of training with the team in the summer so neither LeVert nor the coaching staff were able to figure out his role on offense and defense.

Can he be a 15-18m/year guy? Yes, but that will be discovered this season if he fits whatever role the coaching staff has laid out for him.

[JonFromVA]

Is Caris LeVert positive value?


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Probably too early to tell. Last season he had to play with our injured roster and didn't get the benefit of training with the team in the summer so neither LeVert nor the coaching staff were able to figure out his role on offense and defense.

Can he be a 15-18m/year guy? Yes, but that will be discovered this season if he fits whatever role the coaching staff has laid out for him.

Also he was dealing with recovering from his own injury, but I suppose he's spent most of his career doing that.

It seems like LeVert would like a big payday too, however, so we will likely be looking in to trade possibilities for him or as with Sexton letting the market decide if he's worth it. The later approach lets us hold on to both our cap space and his Bird rights until we have a better idea if we'll be able to do anything with the cap space.

[JujitsuFlip]

I like LeVert, just dislike his fit on this team. Rubio may be able to reign him in a bit but LeVert may be traded before Rubio returns from injury.

[Zonkerbl]

hi everyone I just moved back to Ohio after living in dc for twenty years

what'd I miss?

[JonFromVA]

hi everyone I just moved back to Ohio after living in dc for twenty years

what'd I miss?

Well for one thing we finally have a basketball team that can win games without LeBron ... but on a side note, I've been living in Virginia for even longer than that and just never felt a connection to the DC teams.

[Zonkerbl]

hi everyone I just moved back to Ohio after living in dc for twenty years

what'd I miss?

Well for one thing we finally have a basketball team that can win games without LeBron ... but on a side note, I've been living in Virginia for even longer than that and just never felt a connection to the DC teams.

Lordy I tried. I didn't think it was possible to suck the love of NBA basketball out of my body but that's exactly what they did.

[KuruptedCav]

Is Caris LeVert positive value?


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Honestly, I think we'd be lucky to swap him for an expiring Bojan or Beverly straight up.

This is where my head is, player is neutral to slight positive on a negative contract making slight negative overall. So the swap is for other negative players.


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[jbk1234]

hi everyone I just moved back to Ohio after living in dc for twenty years

what'd I miss?

Inside of the sports world, or like generally the condition of the state, because if it's the latter, you might want to have a seat.

[jbk1234]

Is Caris LeVert positive value?


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Honestly, I think we'd be lucky to swap him for an expiring Bojan or Beverly straight up.

This is where my head is, player is neutral to slight positive on a negative contract making slight negative overall. So the swap is for other negative players.


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I think it's hard for useful players on expiring contracts making under $20M to be negative, but like Sexton, LeVert is a guy who presents fit/usage issues and I feel like those guys are increasingly seen around the NBA as best used as sixth men, at least on good teams. His defense in the play-in games was passable enough that I think they should give him a good look for at least half a season, preferably with the starters, but if contract ball becomes an issue, the Cavs need to be working the phones before JBB sits him down.

Players have a say in how these things go, but the moment we traded for Allen, the Cavs should've at least tested the market on Drummond and had the conversation about his expectations and what would happen if they weren't able to meet them.

[Zonkerbl]

hi everyone I just moved back to Ohio after living in dc for twenty years

what'd I miss?

Inside of the sports world, or like generally the condition of the state, because if it's the latter, you might want to have a seat.

lol

didn't you guys legalize pot though? there were plans to build a pot plant outside my home town, they got nixed because the guy who won the bid *had a criminal record for selling pot* :eyeroll:

[jbk1234]

hi everyone I just moved back to Ohio after living in dc for twenty years

what'd I miss?

Inside of the sports world, or like generally the condition of the state, because if it's the latter, you might want to have a seat.

lol

didn't you guys legalize pot though? there were plans to build a pot plant outside my home town, they got nixed because the guy who won the bid *had a criminal record for selling pot* :eyeroll:

Let's just say that the thirty plus years of brain drain out of the state appear to have caught up with us.

[KuruptedCav]

hi everyone I just moved back to Ohio after living in dc for twenty years

what'd I miss?

All good things:
1) Potholes have been filled with the crushed dreams of Browns’ fans, so they now function like speed bumps.
2) Ardolis Chapman stayed with the Yankees and the Indians won the 2016 World Series and subsequently changed their name to the Guardians to defend it.
3) Lebron signed as a free agent, proving Cleveland as a premier destination, and then won rings in 2015 & 2016. Also, we don’t hate Kelly Olynyk.
4) Construction is done and all orange barrels have been deposited to Indiana, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Michigan.
5) Politically, we’ve got constitutional election maps AND school funding formulas after moving more to the center and becoming less contentious!
6) The brain drain stopped after we blocked the exits with the aforementioned barrels.
7) The owner with the newest stadium and worst performing team in Cleveland isn’t pushing for a new facility.

Welcome back!


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[KuruptedCav]

Honestly, I think we'd be lucky to swap him for an expiring Bojan or Beverly straight up.

This is where my head is, player is neutral to slight positive on a negative contract making slight negative overall. So the swap is for other negative players.


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I think it's hard for useful players on expiring contracts making under $20M to be negative, but like Sexton, LeVert is a guy who presents fit/usage issues and I feel like those guys are increasingly seen around the NBA as best used as sixth men, at least on good teams. His defense in the play-in games was passable enough that I think they should give him a good look for at least half a season, preferably with the starters, but if contract ball becomes an issue, the Cavs need to be working the phones before JBB sits him down.

Players have a say in how these things go, but the moment we traded for Allen, the Cavs should've at least tested the market on Drummond and had the conversation about his expectations and what would happen if they weren't able to meet them.

Yeah, I look at players like Bojan, Richardson, Barnes, Kuzma, Barton, Brooks, or two years of Hield fill that roll better and avoid some of the potential distraction.

I just don’t see LeVert adjusting well to the 6th man role, and honestly, I’m not sure I want him chewing up minutes for free agency.


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[Zonkerbl]

hi everyone I just moved back to Ohio after living in dc for twenty years

what'd I miss?

All good things:
1) Potholes have been filled with the crushed dreams of Browns’ fans, so they now function like speed bumps.
2) Ardolis Chapman stayed with the Yankees and the Indians won the 2016 World Series and subsequently changed their name to the Guardians to defend it.
3) Lebron signed as a free agent, proving Cleveland as a premier destination, and then won rings in 2015 & 2016. Also, we don’t hate Kelly Olynyk.
4) Construction is done and all orange barrels have been deposited to Indiana, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Michigan.
5) Politically, we’ve got constitutional election maps AND school funding formulas after moving more to the center and becoming less contentious!
6) The brain drain stopped after we blocked the exits with the aforementioned barrels.
7) The owner with the newest stadium and worst performing team in Cleveland isn’t pushing for a new facility.

Welcome back!


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I'm draining back in baby!

[JujitsuFlip]

Honestly, I think we'd be lucky to swap him for an expiring Bojan or Beverly straight up.

This is where my head is, player is neutral to slight positive on a negative contract making slight negative overall. So the swap is for other negative players.


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I think it's hard for useful players on expiring contracts making under $20M to be negative, but like Sexton, LeVert is a guy who presents fit/usage issues and I feel like those guys are increasingly seen around the NBA as best used as sixth men, at least on good teams. His defense in the play-in games was passable enough that I think they should give him a good look for at least half a season, preferably with the starters, but if contract ball becomes an issue, the Cavs need to be working the phones before JBB sits him down.

Players have a say in how these things go, but the moment we traded for Allen, the Cavs should've at least tested the market on Drummond and had the conversation about his expectations and what would happen if they weren't able to meet them.

Isn't it curious how JB seems to always do that before Koby can trade guys and they end up having zero value? lol

[jbk1234]

This is where my head is, player is neutral to slight positive on a negative contract making slight negative overall. So the swap is for other negative players.


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I think it's hard for useful players on expiring contracts making under $20M to be negative, but like Sexton, LeVert is a guy who presents fit/usage issues and I feel like those guys are increasingly seen around the NBA as best used as sixth men, at least on good teams. His defense in the play-in games was passable enough that I think they should give him a good look for at least half a season, preferably with the starters, but if contract ball becomes an issue, the Cavs need to be working the phones before JBB sits him down.

Players have a say in how these things go, but the moment we traded for Allen, the Cavs should've at least tested the market on Drummond and had the conversation about his expectations and what would happen if they weren't able to meet them.

Isn't it curious how JB seems to always do that before Koby can trade guys and they end up having zero value? lol

In fairness, there was a good deal of time that passed between trading for Allen and asking Drummond to go to the bench.

[JonFromVA]

I think it's hard for useful players on expiring contracts making under $20M to be negative, but like Sexton, LeVert is a guy who presents fit/usage issues and I feel like those guys are increasingly seen around the NBA as best used as sixth men, at least on good teams. His defense in the play-in games was passable enough that I think they should give him a good look for at least half a season, preferably with the starters, but if contract ball becomes an issue, the Cavs need to be working the phones before JBB sits him down.

Players have a say in how these things go, but the moment we traded for Allen, the Cavs should've at least tested the market on Drummond and had the conversation about his expectations and what would happen if they weren't able to meet them.

Isn't it curious how JB seems to always do that before Koby can trade guys and they end up having zero value? lol

In fairness, there was a good deal of time that passed between trading for Allen and asking Drummond to go to the bench.

Sometimes there's no productive way to tell a player who thinks he's worth a max contract that not only is he worth a fraction of that but you've brought in someone to compete for his spot and you want him to take a back-seat. Thankfully Allen is an easy going guy and we didn't stain our budding relationship with him by trying to appease Drummond and continuing to start him.

Anyway, I'll point out there's a difference between trying to trade a player and being able to trade a player. Drummond's only value was his ability to absorb salary in a deal as an expiring. He played pretty well for the Nets and they wouldn't even keep him. He'll be backing up Vucevic in Chicago for $6.6M/2.

Thanks goodness Allen hasn't depreciated like that.

[jbk1234]

Isn't it curious how JB seems to always do that before Koby can trade guys and they end up having zero value? lol

In fairness, there was a good deal of time that passed between trading for Allen and asking Drummond to go to the bench.

Sometimes there's no productive way to tell a player who thinks he's worth a max contract that not only is he worth a fraction of that but you've brought in someone to compete for his spot and you want him to take a back-seat. Thankfully Allen is an easy going guy and we didn't stain our budding relationship with him by trying to appease Drummond and continuing to start him.

Anyway, I'll point out there's a difference between trying to trade a player and being able to trade a player. Drummond's only value was his ability to absorb salary in a deal as an expiring. He played pretty well for the Nets and they wouldn't even keep him. He'll be backing up Vucevic in Chicago for $6.6M/2.

Thanks goodness Allen hasn't depreciated like that.

Which is why you trade that player even at a less-than-hoped-for return. The day we traded for Allen, I made a post-your-Drummond-offers thread on the T&T board. Unlike KPJ, that was a train you could see coming.

[JonFromVA]

In fairness, there was a good deal of time that passed between trading for Allen and asking Drummond to go to the bench.

Sometimes there's no productive way to tell a player who thinks he's worth a max contract that not only is he worth a fraction of that but you've brought in someone to compete for his spot and you want him to take a back-seat. Thankfully Allen is an easy going guy and we didn't stain our budding relationship with him by trying to appease Drummond and continuing to start him.

Anyway, I'll point out there's a difference between trying to trade a player and being able to trade a player. Drummond's only value was his ability to absorb salary in a deal as an expiring. He played pretty well for the Nets and they wouldn't even keep him. He'll be backing up Vucevic in Chicago for $6.6M/2.

Thanks goodness Allen hasn't depreciated like that.

Which is why you trade that player even at a less-than-hoped-for return. The day we traded for Allen, I made a post-your-Drummond-offers thread on the T&T board. Unlike KPJ, that was a train you could see coming.

Depends ... clearing his cap space off the books is worth something.

What was the best offer for Drummond a fan was willing to give you? Got a link to that thread?

I tried a google search and for some reason it's best guess was a reply you made in a RealGM article by Jonathan Tsharks about how the Cavs had completely bungled their rebuild and made things worse by acquiring Luol Deng. Which, btw, I would have mentioned the idea behind the move wasn't to make the playoffs and declare success ... it was to see how our young players looked with some competent vets around them so we could more properly evaluate them before we were being asked to dish out max deals. Similar in a sense to trading for Drummond so we could see how Sexland looked/developed with a rim protector / post-presence.