Why isn’t there a thread on Bronny?

[SeattleJazzFan]

bronny looked like about the 8th best player on the floor last night. just didn't do anything on either end of the floor. makes me sad because i want to see him succeed, but he just doesn't seem to be that good. it's kinda crazy, but his best comp at this point might be marcus jordan. very similar size and game. and to be frank, marcus was a 15 ppg guy at UCF - he was no slouch. bronny would do well to be that good.

[Upperclass]

Bronny reminds me of a less explosive Avery Bradley.. I think he'll be fine in the league as a piece

[Audi]

No one is wasting lottery pick for a year of 40 year old LeBron. I am not saying Bronny will not be NBA prospect, but there is nothing there at this moment yet.

You telling me Sacto or Orlando ain't finna put butts in seats or boost revenues 10 fold for a year due to getting Bron? We've seen how little these franchises value lotto picks with who they've used them on in the past that I wouldn't put it past them.

How little they value lotto picks? As in, top 4?

All of Orlando's lotto picks:
Dennis Scott
Shaquille O'Neil
Anfernee Hardaway
Dwight Howard
Victor Oladipo
Aaron Gordon
Paolo Banchero

Or are you meaning picks falling within the top 14?
Orlando's top 14 picks under current management:
Jonathan Isaac
Mo Bamba
Jalen Suggs
Franz Wagner
Paolo Banchero

Exactly which of these players selected shows how little Orlando values it's lotto picks? Pretty much all of these guys were selected as consensus BPA at the time with perhaps the exception of Wagner who we now know is a stud.

On top of that, Orlando doesn't actually have a huge problem putting butts in the seats - being a tourist destination, they get plenty of fans showing up for games...the problem is a good bit of those fans are there to see the opposing team

[Colbinii]

No one is wasting lottery pick for a year of 40 year old LeBron. I am not saying Bronny will not be NBA prospect, but there is nothing there at this moment yet.

You telling me Sacto or Orlando ain't finna put butts in seats or boost revenues 10 fold for a year due to getting Bron? We've seen how little these franchises value lotto picks with who they've used them on in the past that I wouldn't put it past them.

How little they value lotto picks? As in, top 4?

All of Orlando's lotto picks:
Dennis Scott
Shaquille O'Neil
Anfernee Hardaway
Dwight Howard
Victor Oladipo
Aaron Gordon
Paolo Banchero

Or are you meaning picks falling within the top 14?
Orlando's top 14 picks under current management:
Jonathan Isaac
Mo Bamba
Jalen Suggs
Franz Wagner
Paolo Banchero

Exactly which of these players selected shows how little Orlando values it's lotto picks? Pretty much all of these guys were selected as consensus BPA at the time with perhaps the exception of Wagner who we now know is a stud.

On top of that, Orlando doesn't actually have a huge problem putting butts in the seats - being a tourist destination, they get plenty of fans showing up for games...the problem is a good bit of those fans are there to see the opposing team

Magic ranked 26th in total attendance and 28th in % attendance in 2022.

[Audi]

You telling me Sacto or Orlando ain't finna put butts in seats or boost revenues 10 fold for a year due to getting Bron? We've seen how little these franchises value lotto picks with who they've used them on in the past that I wouldn't put it past them.

How little they value lotto picks? As in, top 4?

All of Orlando's lotto picks:
Dennis Scott
Shaquille O'Neil
Anfernee Hardaway
Dwight Howard
Victor Oladipo
Aaron Gordon
Paolo Banchero

Or are you meaning picks falling within the top 14?
Orlando's top 14 picks under current management:
Jonathan Isaac
Mo Bamba
Jalen Suggs
Franz Wagner
Paolo Banchero

Exactly which of these players selected shows how little Orlando values it's lotto picks? Pretty much all of these guys were selected as consensus BPA at the time with perhaps the exception of Wagner who we now know is a stud.

On top of that, Orlando doesn't actually have a huge problem putting butts in the seats - being a tourist destination, they get plenty of fans showing up for games...the problem is a good bit of those fans are there to see the opposing team

Magic ranked 26th in total attendance and 28th in % attendance in 2022.

Yea, this last season was bad. An outlier historically though, and nothing unexpected for a freshly gutted team. They typically run in the middle of the pack which is pretty good for the market size. It'll be a problem if next season's numbers don't improve after adding Banchero.

[Shock Defeat]

No one is wasting a top 10 pick on Bronny, but we just saw Charlotte trade away the 13th overall pick for practically nothing. From 15-down, I am certain that NBA teams will pick Bronny for a year of LeBron and a pump in revenue. He's going to be a 1st round pick if he is even close to being an NBA talent. He'll get overdrafted by 20 picks imo due to his father.

[Big J]

Anyone think this kid could still grow a couple of inches and get close to his Pops height?

[babyjax13]

Anyone think this kid could still grow a couple of inches and get close to his Pops height?

He might grow a couple of inches but he's not going to be 6-8 unless he has a massive and rare growth spurt. Bryce might end up being the better NBA prospect, he is already a bit taller than Bronny it looks like. But, it's too early to tell with him. I think Bronny is looking like a really good college player who is going to need some development to make it to the NBA, but it's not out of the question. He's just not an elite prospect.

[clyde21]

Bryce actually seems like a better physical specimen than Bronny at this point imo

that said, there is a reason why great NBA players almost never produce great bball player sons. i can't even think of one to be honest. all good to great NBA players their dads weren't really great NBA players in any capacity. look at Bari's, his dad was a fringe NBA player and he ended up going 3rd overall just now.

[crows2]

that said, there is a reason why great NBA players almost never produce great bball player sons. i can't even think of one to be honest. all good to great NBA players their dads weren't really great NBA players in any capacity. look at Bari's, his dad was a fringe NBA player and he ended up going 3rd overall just now.

It's an interesting question, probably moreso for another thread, but nevertheless. In the Australian Football League (Australia's most popular sport - equivalent in popularity here to the NFL in the US), 2 of the top 5 or so greatest players in the 125 year history of the sport are father and son. The father played in the 80s and 90s and the son played in the 2000s and 10s.

Top AFL players here probably have a similar level of celebrity to top footballers/basketballers in the US, but their salary pales in comparison. I'm not sure what the father would've been earning in the 90s, but the family wouldn't have been living the insanely luxurious life of the families of NBA stars. For reference, the son would've been earning just over $1 million AUD per year at his peak (plus possibly a few million from sponsorships). Perhaps if he'd grown up living the life that children of NBA/NFL stars live, he wouldn't have had the drive to become the superstar that he did.

[clyde21]

that said, there is a reason why great NBA players almost never produce great bball player sons. i can't even think of one to be honest. all good to great NBA players their dads weren't really great NBA players in any capacity. look at Bari's, his dad was a fringe NBA player and he ended up going 3rd overall just now.

It's an interesting question, probably moreso for another thread, but nevertheless. In the Australian Football League (Australia's most popular sport - equivalent in popularity here to the NFL in the US), 2 of the top 5 or so greatest players in the 125 year history of the sport are father and son. The father played in the 80s and 90s and the son played in the 2000s and 10s.

Top AFL players here probably have a similar level of celebrity to top footballers/basketballers in the US, but their salary pales in comparison. I'm not sure what the father would've been earning in the 90s, but the family wouldn't have been living the insanely luxurious life of the families of NBA stars. For reference, the son would've been earning just over $1 million AUD per year at his peak (plus possibly a few million from sponsorships). Perhaps if he'd grown up living the life that children of NBA/NFL stars live, he wouldn't have had the drive to become the superstar that he did.

yea it's weird, by all account Bronny is a hard worker and has every training mechanism available to him since birth, he really should be a lot better than he is...kids of great players just never seem to have 'it'.

[Marcus]

Bryce actually seems like a better physical specimen than Bronny at this point imo

that said, there is a reason why great NBA players almost never produce great bball player sons. i can't even think of one to be honest. all good to great NBA players their dads weren't really great NBA players in any capacity. look at Bari's, his dad was a fringe NBA player and he ended up going 3rd overall just now.

yeah Bryce would be the one i'd keep eyes on moreso than Bronny. He's creeping up to pops height wise and seems to have some of aging Bron's nuances bucket wise. i think he's going to develop into a good player. But you are right historically greatness in the league does not birth future greatness (lowkey might be the only major sports league where we never see that happen). Im with you, where the logic escapes me, but typically fringe to decent players birth stars and vice versa.

[babyjax13]

Bronny has been a really good peripheral piece on some fantastic high school teams. If he scales up to being the third best player on one of the better teams in college basketball, I absolutely buy his ability to be a second round pick and a solid bench player. But there's clearly not anything transcendent about him.

[NO-KG-AI]

that said, there is a reason why great NBA players almost never produce great bball player sons. i can't even think of one to be honest. all good to great NBA players their dads weren't really great NBA players in any capacity. look at Bari's, his dad was a fringe NBA player and he ended up going 3rd overall just now.

It's an interesting question, probably moreso for another thread, but nevertheless. In the Australian Football League (Australia's most popular sport - equivalent in popularity here to the NFL in the US), 2 of the top 5 or so greatest players in the 125 year history of the sport are father and son. The father played in the 80s and 90s and the son played in the 2000s and 10s.

Top AFL players here probably have a similar level of celebrity to top footballers/basketballers in the US, but their salary pales in comparison. I'm not sure what the father would've been earning in the 90s, but the family wouldn't have been living the insanely luxurious life of the families of NBA stars. For reference, the son would've been earning just over $1 million AUD per year at his peak (plus possibly a few million from sponsorships). Perhaps if he'd grown up living the life that children of NBA/NFL stars live, he wouldn't have had the drive to become the superstar that he did.

yea it's weird, by all account Bronny is a hard worker and has every training mechanism available to him since birth, he really should be a lot better than he is...kids of great players just never seem to have 'it'.

It’s usually just the genetic side of it. How many of the all time greats have either a father or a son who is not just an NBA level athlete, but a size/athleticism nba freak?

If Bronny or Bryce were 6’8 245 with 40+ inch verticals at 17, we’d feel a lot more strongly about them.

I think it’s just really like winning the lottery a million times over for one family to have more than one top 10-20 athlete in the history of the sport.

Luke Walton is a great example of a tall kid with some good skills, but he’s still way smaller and not in the realm of his dad in terms of pure athleticism. No amount of work ethic or resources was going to bridge that gap.

[clyde21]

It's an interesting question, probably moreso for another thread, but nevertheless. In the Australian Football League (Australia's most popular sport - equivalent in popularity here to the NFL in the US), 2 of the top 5 or so greatest players in the 125 year history of the sport are father and son. The father played in the 80s and 90s and the son played in the 2000s and 10s.

Top AFL players here probably have a similar level of celebrity to top footballers/basketballers in the US, but their salary pales in comparison. I'm not sure what the father would've been earning in the 90s, but the family wouldn't have been living the insanely luxurious life of the families of NBA stars. For reference, the son would've been earning just over $1 million AUD per year at his peak (plus possibly a few million from sponsorships). Perhaps if he'd grown up living the life that children of NBA/NFL stars live, he wouldn't have had the drive to become the superstar that he did.

yea it's weird, by all account Bronny is a hard worker and has every training mechanism available to him since birth, he really should be a lot better than he is...kids of great players just never seem to have 'it'.

It’s usually just the genetic side of it. How many of the all time greats have either a father or a son who is not just an NBA level athlete, but a size/athleticism nba freak?

If Bronny or Bryce were 6’8 245 with 40+ inch verticals at 17, we’d feel a lot more strongly about them.

I think it’s just really like winning the lottery a million times over for one family to have more than one top 10-20 athlete in the history of the sport.

Luke Walton is a great example of a tall kid with some good skills, but he’s still way smaller and not in the realm of his dad in terms of pure athleticism. No amount of work ethic or resources was going to bridge that gap.

i mean you dont have to have a freak athletic profile to be a good or great NBA player. Bronny has enough of an athletic profile to be a good prospect, not like he's 5'9 or something

[NO-KG-AI]

yea it's weird, by all account Bronny is a hard worker and has every training mechanism available to him since birth, he really should be a lot better than he is...kids of great players just never seem to have 'it'.

It’s usually just the genetic side of it. How many of the all time greats have either a father or a son who is not just an NBA level athlete, but a size/athleticism nba freak?

If Bronny or Bryce were 6’8 245 with 40+ inch verticals at 17, we’d feel a lot more strongly about them.

I think it’s just really like winning the lottery a million times over for one family to have more than one top 10-20 athlete in the history of the sport.

Luke Walton is a great example of a tall kid with some good skills, but he’s still way smaller and not in the realm of his dad in terms of pure athleticism. No amount of work ethic or resources was going to bridge that gap.

i mean you dont have to have a freak athletic profile to be a good or great NBA player. Bronny has enough of an athletic profile to be a good prospect, not like he's 5'9 or something

I mean, of the top 25-30 of all time, who isn’t like super big for their position and/or super athletic or both? Guys like Curry and Paul/Nash? Bird maybe(he’s still a real big forward, and a super special pure talent)?

There have been plenty of father/son combos where both had respectable careers or one was a star etc, so I thought we were talking about why son’s of ATG’s don’t become ATG as well, and I think it’s more than just not having an it factor.

[mhd]

Bryce actually seems like a better physical specimen than Bronny at this point imo

that said, there is a reason why great NBA players almost never produce great bball player sons. i can't even think of one to be honest. all good to great NBA players their dads weren't really great NBA players in any capacity. look at Bari's, his dad was a fringe NBA player and he ended up going 3rd overall just now.

Is Brent Barry the best legendary player's son? He wasn't an all-star, but he was a good player.

[zimpy27]

Bryce actually seems like a better physical specimen than Bronny at this point imo

that said, there is a reason why great NBA players almost never produce great bball player sons. i can't even think of one to be honest. all good to great NBA players their dads weren't really great NBA players in any capacity. look at Bari's, his dad was a fringe NBA player and he ended up going 3rd overall just now.

Klay Thompson and Mychal Thompson

[clyde21]

Bryce actually seems like a better physical specimen than Bronny at this point imo

that said, there is a reason why great NBA players almost never produce great bball player sons. i can't even think of one to be honest. all good to great NBA players their dads weren't really great NBA players in any capacity. look at Bari's, his dad was a fringe NBA player and he ended up going 3rd overall just now.

Klay Thompson and Mychal Thompson

don't think Mychal is considered a 'great' NBA player, dude never even made an all star team.

[zimpy27]

I think Bronny will be fine size wise.

He has wide shoulders and he has strong legs/hips. Both from LeBron. The wingspan looks like it will be decent for his height.

I think it's hard to tell from high school how he will play but I think he's building to be a high impact guy on a roster. A guy without weaknesses on either side. Seems like he will be able to do everything you want. It will make him an NBA player but he doesn't seem to have star potential to me. Which is cool.

I think it's smart to set him up that way. Since it means he can have a genuine long career and not a flash in the pan career. Most players are role players.