Jerry West pretty much destroys JJ Redick

[dhsilv2]

We’ve all seen full games on ESPN or NBA TV classic. It’s 2022…who hasn’t? Who gives a crap about the rules if 90% of these dudes are walking stiffs? I can look at the skill and athleticism and easily see this was a substandard era compared to today, the 80s, the 90s etc. Hell the level of athleticism and skill went up substantially in the 70s from this basketball. Take off the wine goggles about the game 60 years ago.

If you watch on ESPN, then you maybe watched two 1960s games...

1980s wasn't different from athletic standpoint than 1960s. 1960s players still dominated in the 1970s.

Dr J and Kareem dominated the 70s. What are you talking about?

And there is a huge difference between level of play in the 80s from 60s. It’s pretty bad you can’t see that just by watching the games.

Wine goggles

The late 60's are much closer to the 80's than the mid 70's were due to the rapid expansion in the league...

[Johnny Bball]

And...?

The whole running offenses through the post was always dumb.

It doesn't change anything I said. Bigs has been dominating the league since its existance.

The whole pretending rules at that time didn't mandate what can be done and what strategies can be used is **** dumb.

[hoosierdaddy34]

If you watch on ESPN, then you maybe watched two 1960s games...

1980s wasn't different from athletic standpoint than 1960s. 1960s players still dominated in the 1970s.

Dr J and Kareem dominated the 70s. What are you talking about?

And there is a huge difference between level of play in the 80s from 60s. It’s pretty bad you can’t see that just by watching the games.

Wine goggles

Wilt, Oscar and West were all MVP caliber players in the early 1970s. The best guard in the league after them was Walt Frazier who played in the 1960s. John Havlicek was arguably the third best player of the decade and he started his career in 1962. Not to mention that Kareem himself started his career in the 1960s.

What's the huge difference between 1960s and 1980s? Name them, with footage examples to prove your point.

Oh my goodness they played well for 2 years in the 70s…man they really dominated the decade. Stop it.

The league was better. There were more athletic and skilled players that played the game. There were far less tomato cans in the league. The quality of play was far better in all aspects of the game. I mean if you can’t pick that up by watching the two decades, it can’t be explained to you. You either understand it or you don’t.

[hoosierdaddy34]

If you watch on ESPN, then you maybe watched two 1960s games...

1980s wasn't different from athletic standpoint than 1960s. 1960s players still dominated in the 1970s.

Dr J and Kareem dominated the 70s. What are you talking about?

And there is a huge difference between level of play in the 80s from 60s. It’s pretty bad you can’t see that just by watching the games.

Wine goggles

The late 60's are much closer to the 80's than the mid 70's were due to the rapid expansion in the league...

There is still a huge difference in skill and athleticism for 90% of the league from the 60s to the 80s.

[dhsilv2]

The whole running offenses through the post was always dumb.

It doesn't change anything I said. Bigs has been dominating the league since its existance.

The whole pretending rules at that time didn't mandate what can be done and what strategies can be used is **** dumb.

And nobody has even once implied this.

[dhsilv2]

Dr J and Kareem dominated the 70s. What are you talking about?

And there is a huge difference between level of play in the 80s from 60s. It’s pretty bad you can’t see that just by watching the games.

Wine goggles

The late 60's are much closer to the 80's than the mid 70's were due to the rapid expansion in the league...

There is still a huge difference in skill and athleticism for 90% of the league from the 60s to the 80s.

There's a big gap when talking about bench players. But that's maybe 50-60%. Nowhere near 90%.

[70sFan]

Oh my goodness they played well for 2 years in the 70s…man they really dominated the decade. Stop it.

Havlicek played well for 2 years?

The league was better. There were more athletic and skilled players that played the game. There were far less tomato cans in the league. The quality of play was far better in all aspects of the game.

So many general points that don't bring any value to this discussion. You haven't seen 90% of the 1960s league, so how can you know that they were bad? How many 1962 Knicks games have you seen? Or 1966 Bullets? How many 1969 Hawks games did you watch?

You have no idea how average 1964 game looked like.

I mean if you can’t pick that up by watching the two decades, it can’t be explained to you. You either understand it or you don’t.

If you can't explain something obvious, maybe it's not that obvious.

[Johnny Bball]

It doesn't change anything I said. Bigs has been dominating the league since its existance.

The whole pretending rules at that time didn't mandate what can be done and what strategies can be used is **** dumb.

And nobody has even once implied this.

You just did when you said "running offenses through the post was always dumb". For example, you just called the triangle offense dumb when you weren't even old enough to have watched when it was invented or probably don't know that teams employ plays from it today. But you'll sure pretend otherwise now I'm sure.

[dhsilv2]

The whole pretending rules at that time didn't mandate what can be done and what strategies can be used is **** dumb.

And nobody has even once implied this.

You just did when you said "running offenses through the post was always dumb". For example, you just called the triangle offense dumb when you weren't even old enough to have watched when it was invented or probably don't know that teams employ plays from it today. But you'll sure pretend otherwise now I'm sure.

You read what I said and you did not understand it, so you made a wild assumption that is incorrect. You do this every damn time you respond to me. You need to learn context when reading comments otherwise you'll keep making these wildly confusing assumptions that are nowhere close to accurate.

And yes, nobody knows that the warriors use elements of the triangle LMFAO!

[Johnny Bball]

And nobody has even once implied this.

You just did when you said "running offenses through the post was always dumb". For example, you just called the triangle offense dumb when you weren't even old enough to have watched when it was invented or probably don't know that teams employ plays from it today. But you'll sure pretend otherwise now I'm sure.

You read what I said and you did not understand it, so you made a wild assumption that is incorrect. You do this every damn time you respond to me. You need to learn context when reading comments otherwise you'll keep making these wildly confusing assumptions that are nowhere close to accurate.

And yes, nobody knows that the warriors use elements of the triangle LMFAO!

It's not incorrect, your statement a **** dumb statement and it ignores the ruleset of the time. But like I said... you are just going to pretend otherwise. You have never understood how much past rules impacted the game, why players played that way, and it isn't because they were dumb and you know more. You don't . And for years I keep reading complete ignorance of that when someone quotes you.

[dhsilv2]

You just did when you said "running offenses through the post was always dumb". For example, you just called the triangle offense dumb when you weren't even old enough to have watched when it was invented or probably don't know that teams employ plays from it today. But you'll sure pretend otherwise now I'm sure.

You read what I said and you did not understand it, so you made a wild assumption that is incorrect. You do this every damn time you respond to me. You need to learn context when reading comments otherwise you'll keep making these wildly confusing assumptions that are nowhere close to accurate.

And yes, nobody knows that the warriors use elements of the triangle LMFAO!

It's not incorrect, your statement a **** dumb statement and it ignores the ruleset of the time. But like I said... you are just going to pretend otherwise.

As always you misread something and then get upset when I point it out. There was nothing in the rule set from the 1950's that forced offenses to attempt to SCORE through the post which is more directly what I was discussing and was implied by my statements. If you want to argue that EQUIPMENT demand that, there's at least a discussion to be had.

The best offense of the the 50's, and more directly to where I was discussing, the EARLY 50's were from none other than the Boston Celtics. They used their guard play as much as their big man in Macauley to generate that. From the VERY early days of the NBA offenses that relied on guards were the best offenses in the league. The problem of course for the celtics and to 70's point, their defense wasn't that good. You'll see the same thing with the Lakers and West. Their offense got better as Baylor took less of a role and West's role increase. Why? Because even with 1960's rules, just like the 50's, offenses run through guards not scoring big men in the post are done better with VERY few exceptions.