dr0welf wrote:HopelessKnick wrote:ForeverRDjazz wrote:Question, How many knicks players ever put up 50 in the playoffs? Zero, Mitchell I believe did it twice in the bubble. Kid is pretty Special player on offense and if he's traded Jazz fans will miss that part of his game. Kid carried the Jazz many games in the 4th quarter over the years and is pretty clutch since coming into the league. Still very very young and will only keep getting better. If Mitchell is moves jazz will be moving few others pretty quick.
There is absolutely no question that Mitchell is a special talent. And there is no question the Jazz will get a good deal for Mitchell, whether from the Knicks or some other team. I just think that the Knicks should walk away from a deal if the rumored asking price of 6 FRPs + Grimes, Quickley, Toppin, McBride is true. From a knick perspective it just would not make sense to trade almost all assets that they have for a player that after such a trade would make them a 45 win team and first round exit.
Mitchell right now probably ranks somewhere between 15-20 in terms of NBA players. The Jazz asking for 6 FRPs + Grimes, Quickley and Toppin has the overall asking price at 9 FRPs---I simply do not think any NBA player outside the top 10 (heck maybe top 5) is worth that. If you commit so many assets to trade for a player, that player should AT LEAST ensure that you are at least a 50-55win team and 2nd round playoff guarantee.
Without Gobert the Jazz winning % drops from .640 to .450 ----without Mitchell it only drops from .640 to .600! Mitchell could not get the first seeded Jazz past a Kawhi-less Clippers tied at 2-2 and the Jazz trailed 2-1 against a Doncic-less Mavericks. He still is a special talent and attractive trade target that will get the Jazz a very nice return----but IMO the jury is still out on whether he is THAT guy on a true contender--and if you are to commit a value of 9 FRPs --he better be THAT guy.
It doesn't matter what the asking price is, Brunson/Mitchell are going to get burned on defense and Randle isn't going to be able to back them up well lol. Mitchell is definitely worth 3 potential players and multiple picks as he has that extra bit in almost every bit of his game. He is an excellent scorer, he has a 3 year contract, still young and getting better, has a dynamic personality that draws people to him. He is a guy to build around and I hope the Jazz decide to build around him. This type of player rarely comes up on the trade market. He's worth it, but I don't think NY is the team to get him with their current setup. He would play well with your young ones and even make Randle better. But DM at shooting guard with an undersized PG is not going to work. We just tried that. The problem we had was going all in on Conley who was undersized. If we had gotten a PG that had 5 more inches we probably would have gone deep in the playoffs. Defense on the perimeter payed the price and Gobert couldn't cover his small ball guy and still back up the lack of size DM and Conley brought.
Honestly NY should pass on Mitchell unless they plan on having Brunson be a 6th man.
My sentiment exactly. Mitchell makes sense with a Lonzo Ball type of PG---good defender, tall, can play off the ball and shoot from 3, but with Brunson the fit is iffy at best.
If it was up to me I would have gone the Spurs route, not signing anyone and aiming at the 2023 draft. I'm more of a "draft your own star player guy" anyways, so I do not agree with the direction of the franchise anyways.
Brunson was certainly not brought in to be a 6th man---I obviously do not know anything about the Brunson negotiations, but I would highly assume that he left a much better Dallas team playing next to one of the league's brightest stars with the understanding that he would be the man at the 1 in NY. Additionally, with everything that NY did (hiring his father etc.) to lure Brunson away from Dallas, it would probably be highly problematic if the Knicks turned around and traded him away after a year or 2. At least in regards to public perception. That's overall a big reason why I am highly sceptical of all this---Mitchell himself is a very attractive trade target but if you figure in the whole situation in NY around Brunson, being stuck with that midget backcourt is going to be extremely challenging.
That all being said, due to the Knicks complete incompetency throughout the last two decades, one could argue that if the Knicks manage to make the playoffs 3 years in a row and be somewhat competitive in the first round or maybe even make a second round accidentally (injuries etc. can always happen), that would be more success than they have had for at least 10 years, maybe even 20 years.
