2022 Offseason thread

[CrimsonCrew]

Word is the Niners signed DL Robert Nkemdiche. I haven't seen it officially announced, though. Interesting addition. Physically talented guy who has never come close to putting it together. It's a deep position for us, but assuming it's a minimum contract, why not add another guy Kocurek can try to get something out of? Word is he's in the low 290s, so he could get snaps inside or outside, potentially.

[wco81]

National media has been covering the Jimmy now trying to work out trade story this past week.

Most seem to think Lance will be fine.

Some noted that Jimmy has one of the highest winning percentage among QBs with at least 40 starts.

Others think the 49ers win despite QB play, not because of it.

Worst case scenario, can the 49ers cut Jimmy to free up cap space? They're going to have to pay Deebo and obviously Bosa soon.

Best case scenario, Lance develops into a Josh Allen type of player but I think Kyle doesn't like QBs to freelance, just run the plays as he designed them.

[Jikkle]

National media has been covering the Jimmy now trying to work out trade story this past week.

Most seem to think Lance will be fine.

Some noted that Jimmy has one of the highest winning percentage among QBs with at least 40 starts.

Others think the 49ers win despite QB play, not because of it.

Worst case scenario, can the 49ers cut Jimmy to free up cap space? They're going to have to pay Deebo and obviously Bosa soon.

Best case scenario, Lance develops into a Josh Allen type of player but I think Kyle doesn't like QBs to freelance, just run the plays as he designed them.

It's why analytics will never completely take over football like it has other sports like baseball. Analytics has its place but you'll still always need the eyeball test for football to go alongside those numbers to put them in perspective.

Jimmy is just an above-average QB that does one thing very well but is limited in everything else. His limitations unfortunately are put on full display come playoff time where I won't say he's awful but hasn't been good either.

With Lance I expect he'll play within the system more than people expect. I don't believe he'll be as much of a gunslinger as people envision it's just that he'll hit throws that Kyle's design get open but Jimmy won't/can't throw them.

[CrimsonCrew]

National media has been covering the Jimmy now trying to work out trade story this past week.

Most seem to think Lance will be fine.

Some noted that Jimmy has one of the highest winning percentage among QBs with at least 40 starts.

Others think the 49ers win despite QB play, not because of it.

Worst case scenario, can the 49ers cut Jimmy to free up cap space? They're going to have to pay Deebo and obviously Bosa soon.

Best case scenario, Lance develops into a Josh Allen type of player but I think Kyle doesn't like QBs to freelance, just run the plays as he designed them.

Kyle is going to want Lance to run the plays as designed, and he'll ream him if he doesn't regardless of the result, but even with an offense as good as Kyle's at getting guys open, there will be breakdowns. And on those occasions, it will be nice to have Trey in there keeping plays alive. Lance's greatest assets according to many people are his brain and his dedication. He's supposed to be a film junky who is passionate about being perfect. If he can do that, he's going to be in good shape, as this offense will give him some larger windows to throw into.

[Jikkle]

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/159243-pelissero-49ers-deebo-samuel-continue-about-contract-extension/

Sounds like it's more of a when not if a deal gets done.

Hopefully sooner rather than later so they can put this drama to bed and just have the Jimmy G drama to figure out.

[CrimsonCrew]

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/159243-pelissero-49ers-deebo-samuel-continue-about-contract-extension/

Sounds like it's more of a when not if a deal gets done.

Hopefully sooner rather than later so they can put this drama to bed and just have the Jimmy G drama to figure out.

I think they need to figure out Garoppolo first. They're up against the cap right now. I don't know that they have the funds to extend Samuel without restructuring contracts and kicking a bunch of money into now-backloaded contracts. That's usually not a recipe for sustained success.

People keep acting like it's crazy the Niners haven't extended Deebo yet. They can't. They have the second-least cap space in the league at under $5 million. Deebo is going to require a $10+ million raise this year. Granted they can tweak that a bit, but they also can't consume all of their available cap space before moving on from Jimmy.

Incidentally, interesting to see coaches and GMs in Sando's QB rankings put Jimmy 16th. Hard to believe there isn't a trade market for the 16th-best QB in today's NFL, even if it's a somewhat older player with limited upside.

[CrimsonCrew]

Nkemdiche signing is official. Probably doesn't move the needle much, though they've had a lot of success rehabbing physically talented underperformers in the recent past, so why not?

Dee Ford did not report and camp and will presumably retire or be cut in the very near future.

[Cactus Jack]

Nkemdiche signing is official. Probably doesn't move the needle much, though they've had a lot of success rehabbing physically talented underperformers in the recent past, so why not?

Nkemdiche is just a camp body. He won't stand out. If anything he'll underwhelm. The impression that I got is that he's someone who doesn't love Football & is just there to collect a paycheck. That's why he's been labeled a bust (1st rounder) & bounced around the league. There we're character concerns about him coming out of college. They we're spot on for the most part.

[CrimsonCrew]

Nkemdiche signing is official. Probably doesn't move the needle much, though they've had a lot of success rehabbing physically talented underperformers in the recent past, so why not?

Nkemdiche is just a camp body. He won't stand out. If anything he'll underwhelm. The impression that I got is that he's someone who doesn't love Football & is just there to collect a paycheck. That's why he's been labeled a bust (1st rounder) & bounced around the league. There we're character concerns about him coming out of college. They we're right for the most part.

That's certainly the most likely outcome by a wide stretch. Though the same could have been said of Arden Key and Jordan Willis, and they both produced for us last year. Basically a no-risk move to see if a guy can turn his career around.

[Pattersonca65]

Nkemdiche signing is official. Probably doesn't move the needle much, though they've had a lot of success rehabbing physically talented underperformers in the recent past, so why not?

Nkemdiche is just a camp body. He won't stand out. If anything he'll underwhelm. The impression that I got is that he's someone who doesn't love Football & is just there to collect a paycheck. That's why he's been labeled a bust (1st rounder) & bounced around the league. There we're character concerns about him coming out of college. They we're spot on for the most part.

At least my experience watching players like this over my years is they rarely pan out. I've seen guys like this in both Basketball and football. Guys with alot of talent that could be something but just dont have any competitive drive or work ethic. They got to where they were because their talent was far above their peers in college but that gap does not exist at the pro level. I really have no expectations for him.

[Pattersonca65]

Nkemdiche signing is official. Probably doesn't move the needle much, though they've had a lot of success rehabbing physically talented underperformers in the recent past, so why not?

Nkemdiche is just a camp body. He won't stand out. If anything he'll underwhelm. The impression that I got is that he's someone who doesn't love Football & is just there to collect a paycheck. That's why he's been labeled a bust (1st rounder) & bounced around the league. There we're character concerns about him coming out of college. They we're right for the most part.

That's certainly the most likely outcome by a wide stretch. Though the same could have been said of Arden Key and Jordan Willis, and they both produced for us last year. Basically a no-risk move to see if a guy can turn his career around.

The difference is Key was still young and with his rookie team. There could have been issues with the Raiders and it may not have all been on Key. Nkemdiche is on his fourth team now. So basically three other teams have determined he isn't worth keeping around. Not a good sign.

[CrimsonCrew]

Multiple reports of McGlinchey looking noticeably slimmed down. Good grief. Who is planning this dude's diet? He could have stood to gain 20-30 pounds last time we saw him on the field. Now he's down from that? He needs some sand in his pants IMMEDIATELY. I had really hoped that he would take advantage of the rehab time to add some bulk. Looks like it's gone the opposite direction.

[CrimsonCrew]

In other OL news, Spencer Burford was starting at RG while Brunskill was the second-string center. That's an interesting development. I'd love to upgrade over Brunskill at guard - his consistently impressive performances against Aaron Donald aside - and he's a pretty good utility OL backup who could feasibly play any spot. I didn't really like him as a starting center, though, so really pulling for Brendel to show well.

[CrimsonCrew]

Multiple reports of McGlinchey looking noticeably slimmed down. Good grief. Who is planning this dude's diet? He could have stood to gain 20-30 pounds last time we saw him on the field. Now he's down from that? He needs some sand in his pants IMMEDIATELY. I had really hoped that he would take advantage of the rehab time to add some bulk. Looks like it's gone the opposite direction.

Matt Barrows on McGlinchey:

We’ll have to follow up with him on this, but McGlinchey doesn’t look nearly as heavy as he did at this point last year. Weight has been a big topic with the right tackle. He dropped to 290 pounds in 2020, then gained 25 pounds before last season in an effort to bolster his pass protection. He appears to be somewhere in the middle of those marks now.

So maybe it's not as bad as I'd feared. I didn't notice the added bulk last season. Hopefully he's at least at 310 or so. On his frame, he can carry that amount of weight easily.

[CrimsonCrew]

I appreciate I'm a crazy person at this point and giving this way too much thought, but Lance is a little behind on this ball. He had a similar one yesterday. I'd like to see him clean up that location a bit.

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[CrimsonCrew]

Here's the one from yesterday. He's got to lead his WR to the sideline more or that's going to be a PD or INT.

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[Pattersonca65]

Multiple reports of McGlinchey looking noticeably slimmed down. Good grief. Who is planning this dude's diet? He could have stood to gain 20-30 pounds last time we saw him on the field. Now he's down from that? He needs some sand in his pants IMMEDIATELY. I had really hoped that he would take advantage of the rehab time to add some bulk. Looks like it's gone the opposite direction.

Matt Barrows on McGlinchey:

We’ll have to follow up with him on this, but McGlinchey doesn’t look nearly as heavy as he did at this point last year. Weight has been a big topic with the right tackle. He dropped to 290 pounds in 2020, then gained 25 pounds before last season in an effort to bolster his pass protection. He appears to be somewhere in the middle of those marks now.

So maybe it's not as bad as I'd feared. I didn't notice the added bulk last season. Hopefully he's at least at 310 or so. On his frame, he can carry that amount of weight easily.

For someone that size, putting on that amount of weight is not that difficult and can put it on relatively quickly.

[CrimsonCrew]

Multiple reports of McGlinchey looking noticeably slimmed down. Good grief. Who is planning this dude's diet? He could have stood to gain 20-30 pounds last time we saw him on the field. Now he's down from that? He needs some sand in his pants IMMEDIATELY. I had really hoped that he would take advantage of the rehab time to add some bulk. Looks like it's gone the opposite direction.

Matt Barrows on McGlinchey:

We’ll have to follow up with him on this, but McGlinchey doesn’t look nearly as heavy as he did at this point last year. Weight has been a big topic with the right tackle. He dropped to 290 pounds in 2020, then gained 25 pounds before last season in an effort to bolster his pass protection. He appears to be somewhere in the middle of those marks now.

So maybe it's not as bad as I'd feared. I didn't notice the added bulk last season. Hopefully he's at least at 310 or so. On his frame, he can carry that amount of weight easily.

For someone that size, putting on that amount of weight is not that difficult and can put it on relatively quickly.

Normally I'd agree, but McGlinchey has historically had trouble maintaining weight.

[Jikkle]

Bad two days for the offense which at this stage of training camp is fine but the offensive line will be something to keep an eye on since reports are they are getting hammered.

To be fair though padless practices heavily favor the defensive line since they have speed and finesse tools at their disposal whereas the offensive line is almost all physicality.

Not to mention they are probably going up against the best defensive line they'll see all year so I just want to see reports they are holding up decently once pads are on.

Also nice to hear the secondary is doing so well even if it's at the expense of the QBs but considering that was such a sore spot for years we might finally have a year where the front end and back end of the defense are in tandem and we might see a pretty dominant year from them.

[CrimsonCrew]

Bad two days for the offense which at this stage of training camp is fine but the offensive line will be something to keep an eye on since reports are they are getting hammered.

To be fair though padless practices heavily favor the defensive line since they have speed and finesse tools at their disposal whereas the offensive line is almost all physicality.

Not to mention they are probably going up against the best defensive line they'll see all year so I just want to see reports they are holding up decently once pads are on.

Also nice to hear the secondary is doing so well even if it's at the expense of the QBs but considering that was such a sore spot for years we might finally have a year where the front end and back end of the defense are in tandem and we might see a pretty dominant year from them.

Yeah, reports have been pretty brutal the last two days. Hopefully, as you say, it's an encouraging sign for the defense. If that back end looks good, this D could be elite. Slot corner is going to be a concern until we see someone do it, though.

OL is a concern as it was the chief concern coming into camp. They get a little bit of a pass as the likely starting OTs have yet to play, and there isn't really scheming or game-planning at this stage, but we need three interior OL to step up. Definitely something to monitor going forward.