Roster construction

[Helsbyte]

I think it a good thing to use cap space to draw future assets like those future LA picks. Especially that we just regain the space again next year when WB comes off the books. Its both picks or nada.

[Boneman2]

I think it a good thing to use cap space to draw future assets like those future LA picks. Especially that we just regain the space again next year when WB comes off the books. Its both picks or nada.

Rinse and repeat next year.

[Tom White]

I think it a good thing to use cap space to draw future assets like those future LA picks. Especially that we just regain the space again next year when WB comes off the books. Its both picks or nada.

And in the meantime, you've only spent an additional $20M (or so) that you didn't need to. Plus, you have to replace the players you are sending out in the LA scenario.

How many picks and rookies do people really want? You don't win a prize for having the youngest team in the league.

Cap space? We have that now. Extra picks? We have those now.

It just seems to me the real need for this team is an experienced, contributing small forward.

[Wizop]

It just seems to me the real need for this team is an experienced, contributing small forward.

too bad Holiday just sold his house hear. there are suggestions on the Cavs forum that they may need to dump a player to get some cap room. I'd take Cedi.

[pacers33granger]

No idea if he would accept it, but I'd throw a slightly higher offer than the 3/40 Cleveland is offering for Sexton. Maybe like 3/55 on a declining deal? See if they don't match. I know we need a SF much more but he was still an efficient 25 ppg scorer before the injury and we just need talent.

Of course we'd have to have a Hield deal lined up at that point. I'm sure we could dump him for useless money, which would be fine if we're doing so to sign a good player but not worth it just to do it. We'd also have to sell him on being the 6th man, though he's probably that in Cleveland. Hali and Nembhard's heights would help make him more playable than on other teams.

Idk, not a perfect fit. But there's still a player out there who allegedly has a very lowball offer yet is young, really talented, and by all accounts a good locker room guy. I know the injury and all, but seems worth the gamble. Also, I know it blows a good chunk of our space right now and cuts into next year. I don't see a huge windfall for the space this year though. SA has competing space. And teams will want to sell. I'm not sold it's firsts or anything super desirable.

[Topofthekey]

I'd love for the team to somehow end up with Wiggins by being the 3rd team in a Durant to Warriors trade

The hope is that Nets decide to trade Durant for some combination of Kuminga or Wiseman or Moody and picks, with Wiggins being seen as purely salary ballast by them

Pacers can then swoop in and absorb Wiggins, and maybe contribute a pick or two (maybe Celtics and/or Cavs FRP) to the Durant package

Nets are about $31m over the tax line, trading Durant for Kuminga + Moody + picks cuts about $34m from their payroll bringing them below the tax, so there's also that

Not sure how cheap Nets owner is though

[8305]

No idea if he would accept it, but I'd throw a slightly higher offer than the 3/40 Cleveland is offering for Sexton. Maybe like 3/55 on a declining deal? See if they don't match. I know we need a SF much more but he was still an efficient 25 ppg scorer before the injury and we just need talent.

Of course we'd have to have a Hield deal lined up at that point. I'm sure we could dump him for useless money, which would be fine if we're doing so to sign a good player but not worth it just to do it. We'd also have to sell him on being the 6th man, though he's probably that in Cleveland. Hali and Nembhard's heights would help make him more playable than on other teams.

Idk, not a perfect fit. But there's still a player out there who allegedly has a very lowball offer yet is young, really talented, and by all accounts a good locker room guy. I know the injury and all, but seems worth the gamble. Also, I know it blows a good chunk of our space right now and cuts into next year. I don't see a huge windfall for the space this year though. SA has competing space. And teams will want to sell. I'm not sold it's firsts or anything super desirable.

Sexton makes no sense to me. We’ve got Duarte and Mathurin who fit best at the 2 and Hali, TJ and Nemhart playing the point. I’ve got no problem messing with Cleveland a little but I’d be scared of actually winding up with Sexton. I’m glad we appear to be moving off the situation where we had an over allocation of assets at the 5. I’d hate to see us spend capital creating a similar imbalance at another position.

[pacers33granger]

We need talent. That's it. Same reason we went after Ayton despite having a glut of bigs as is.


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[8305]

We need talent. That's it. Same reason we went after Ayton despite having a glut of bigs as is.


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Yeah, the difference I see is Ayton comes in better and with more upside than any of our bigs. Sexton gets in the way of Hali, Mathurin and Duarte. I think the development of those three is the most important thing for this franchise. And, I’ll concede to not being a fan and small guards in general.

[Tom White]

We need talent. That's it. Same reason we went after Ayton despite having a glut of bigs as is.

A glut of bigs?

Our glut of bigs were:

A guy (Turner) who did not agree to an extension, who has had season limiting injuries, and has been in trade talks for a few years.

A guy (Goga) who can only get minutes when others are injured and hasn't shown much when he does get minutes.

A rookie (Jackson) who still is trying to get his feet wet, and who needs to add body mass to play center.

A guy (Smith) who has not even been with the team for a full season and, much like Jackson, needs to add strength and bulk if he is to be a center.

I'm sorry, but that is not a glut.

[pacers33granger]

We need talent. That's it. Same reason we went after Ayton despite having a glut of bigs as is.

A glut of bigs?

Our glut of bigs were:

A guy (Turner) who did not agree to an extension, who has had season limiting injuries, and has been in trade talks for a few years.

A guy (Goga) who can only get minutes when others are injured and hasn't shown much when he does get minutes.

A rookie (Jackson) who still is trying to get his feet wet, and who needs to add body mass to play center.

A guy (Smith) who has not even been with the team for a full season and, much like Jackson, needs to add strength and bulk if he is to be a center.

I'm sorry, but that is not a glut.

Seriously? It's 4 guys who should be seeing minutes. Taylor doesn't have the height for it, but he's a big as well, making 5. Add in Ayton and it's 6 without a trade. That doesn't even mention Theis being on the roster.

Let's not act like our guards/wings are set. We've got Hali, Mathurin, Duarte, Hield, Nembhard, TJ, and Nesmith. So, 7 guys for 3 positions (like it or not, Rick will use some of them as a SF extensively). Compare that to 6 guys for 2 positions and Oshae as a 3/4 floater.

We can knock out the wings in a similar fashion - Nesmith (sucks), Nembhard (not ready), TJ (not in the longterm plans), Hield (not in the longterm plans) Duarte (showed promise but needs experience and to stay healthy).

Hali is the single player on our roster that we can say is close to being "set." Even then, if we luck into Scoot next draft, that may change. But it is asinine to not kick the tires on a talented young player who is slated to be underpaid based on having guys at the position who maybe could be long term pieces.

[pacers33granger]

We need talent. That's it. Same reason we went after Ayton despite having a glut of bigs as is.


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Yeah, the difference I see is Ayton comes in better and with more upside than any of our bigs. Sexton gets in the way of Hali, Mathurin and Duarte. I think the development of those three is the most important thing for this franchise. And, I’ll concede to not being a fan and small guards in general.

I can get not liking small guards. But this is selling Sexton short on his talent. He's still just 23, would be far cheaper than Ayton, and put up 24 ppg on solid percentages as the lead guard just a year ago. As I noted elsewhere, Rick will be constantly be playing 3 guard lineups. I don't see him blocking development and specifically noted that the intent would be sell him on being a 6th man.

The only reason he's out there is because he can't play with Garland, Cleveland spent their money elsewhere already, and there's no space left. He's a buy low candidate which is exactly what we should be looking for.

[Pacers Forever]

If we didn’t have so many promising guards Sexton would be ok.

Imho guards are set for years unless Duarte or Mathurin become expendable due to lack of star development we’re expecting.

We really need to acquire or develop a star 3, 4, and 5.

Pick your star and insert
Example

Haliburton
Mathurin / Duarte
Andrew Wiggins
John Collins
Myles Turner

[pacers33granger]

I suppose I differ in the sense that 1-3 is set. 1 is largely set. That's it. 2 and 3 could be. Realistically we are about half a year into the rebuild. We're still well in evaluation mode. And we will always be a team who has to identify undervalued assets.

[Pacers Forever]

I suppose I differ in the sense that 1-3 is set. 1 is largely set. That's it. 2 and 3 could be. Realistically we are about half a year into the rebuild. We're still well in evaluation mode. And we will always be a team who has to identify undervalued assets.

Evaluation mode is probably a term the Pacers would agree on since there’s so much youth to develop and evaluate.

I’m sure it’s an ongoing function daily of plug and play, searching for best fits, strongest abilities, teaching, learning, and growing as a group.

Of course the front office is always watching the league for talent possibilities .

[basketballwacko2]

I'd love for the team to somehow end up with Wiggins by being the 3rd team in a Durant to Warriors trade

The hope is that Nets decide to trade Durant for some combination of Kuminga or Wiseman or Moody and picks, with Wiggins being seen as purely salary ballast by them

Pacers can then swoop in and absorb Wiggins, and maybe contribute a pick or two (maybe Celtics and/or Cavs FRP) to the Durant package

Nets are about $31m over the tax line, trading Durant for Kuminga + Moody + picks cuts about $34m from their payroll bringing them below the tax, so there's also that

Not sure how cheap Nets owner is though

The question about this idea of KD going back to the Warriors for me is do they want to give up their young players for the 34 year old guy who walked out on them 3 years ago. IDK if I'd take him back, he's clearly ring chasing. The Warriors are deep in the repeater tax so they don't want to add any salary. They seem to like Wiggins now that he's short he's been playing a lot better.

I have to question if the W's really want KD.

[Topofthekey]

I'd love for the team to somehow end up with Wiggins by being the 3rd team in a Durant to Warriors trade

The hope is that Nets decide to trade Durant for some combination of Kuminga or Wiseman or Moody and picks, with Wiggins being seen as purely salary ballast by them

Pacers can then swoop in and absorb Wiggins, and maybe contribute a pick or two (maybe Celtics and/or Cavs FRP) to the Durant package

Nets are about $31m over the tax line, trading Durant for Kuminga + Moody + picks cuts about $34m from their payroll bringing them below the tax, so there's also that

Not sure how cheap Nets owner is though

The question about this idea of KD going back to the Warriors for me is do they want to give up their young players for the 34 year old guy who walked out on them 3 years ago. IDK if I'd take him back, he's clearly ring chasing. The Warriors are deep in the repeater tax so they don't want to add any salary. They seem to like Wiggins now that he's short he's been playing a lot better.

I have to question if the W's really want KD.

Yea it's mostly just wishful thinking on my part. Wiggins is a good player now, unlikely his team would dump him for nothing

My hope is that Mathurin turns out to be effective at SF. Duarte is taller but Mathurin has the wingspan and he looks stronger, hopefully he can defend most SFs without issue

[boomershadow]

I think it a good thing to use cap space to draw future assets like those future LA picks. Especially that we just regain the space again next year when WB comes off the books. Its both picks or nada.

Rinse and repeat next year.

I'm higher on the Westbrook idea than most I've seen online, but they gotta be willing to send both FRPs and so far the reporting is they aren't.

I mean, I think they'd be crazy not to, but I guess they are still looking for other options that probably aren't out there.

I think it a good thing to use cap space to draw future assets like those future LA picks. Especially that we just regain the space again next year when WB comes off the books. Its both picks or nada.

And in the meantime, you've only spent an additional $20M (or so) that you didn't need to. Plus, you have to replace the players you are sending out in the LA scenario.

How many picks and rookies do people really want? You don't win a prize for having the youngest team in the league.

Cap space? We have that now. Extra picks? We have those now.

It just seems to me the real need for this team is an experienced, contributing small forward.

Turner and Hield make a lil under 40 million next season. Hield like 19 the season after. Neither are in the plan past next season. You're gonna be paying most of that money to somebody anyways. And you never don't need more picks.

[Wizop]

My hope is that Mathurin turns out to be effective at SF. Duarte is taller but Mathurin has the wingspan and he looks stronger, hopefully he can defend most SFs without issue

I think the program will list Maturin as the 2 and Duarte as the 3, but the distinction hardly matters. we can just say Wing. both can shoot from distance and drive and on defense a simple pick can force a switch so both must be able to guard 2's and 3's.

[basketballwacko2]

I think if I was running the show I'd talk to Sexton about a front loaded deal starting at $22-23 million and declining with a 4th year option. Can the Cavs afford to match? Or it could be a sign and trade.