2022-23 Regular Season

[JujitsuFlip]

Well, you all were right, looks like Cedi is the odd man out, if Collin opts in.

https://cavaliersnation.com/2022/07/29/cavs-insider-has-his-doubts-about-whether-cedi-osman-will-be-with-team-once-regular-season-begins/amp/

I think he's harder to move than Windler but at least his 2nd year is non guaranteed, so he is essentially expiring to whatever team acquires him. Can't send out enough cash to cover his contract though, like they did with Joe Harris.

Spurs and Pacers have cap space.

Nuggets (they have no open roster spots), Clippers, and Jazz have a TPE large enough to absorb him.

Neither should be difficult to move. Both are effectively expiring. Windler is a potential flier, Osman is actually a useful player, albeit at a higher price point. Sending out the cash just helps to normalize the cost.

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I doubt Cedi is useful to any of the 4 teams that are currently able to acquire him.

[jbk1234]

Well, you all were right, looks like Cedi is the odd man out, if Collin opts in.

https://cavaliersnation.com/2022/07/29/cavs-insider-has-his-doubts-about-whether-cedi-osman-will-be-with-team-once-regular-season-begins/amp/

I think he's harder to move than Windler but at least his 2nd year is non guaranteed, so he is essentially expiring to whatever team acquires him. Can't send out enough cash to cover his contract though, like they did with Joe Harris.

Spurs and Pacers have cap space.

Nuggets (they have no open roster spots), Clippers, and Jazz have a TPE large enough to absorb him.

Neither should be difficult to move. Both are effectively expiring. Windler is a potential flier, Osman is actually a useful player, albeit at a higher price point. Sending out the cash just helps to normalize the cost.

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I doubt Cedi is useful to any of the 4 teams that are currently able to acquire him.

Cedi isn't useless, he's just too erratic and he fails to play within his game too often. But that doesn't make him all that different from other guys in the NBA who are filling out the 9-12 slots on the roster. His contract is only an issue now because of Sexton and none of us know whether Sexton will sign a market-rate contract to come off the bench, or not. Until the parties are within striking distance, I'm not sure how relevant Cedi or Windler are.

That said, there were reports that the Spurs and Warriors had some interest in Cedi last year. Now, at least the Warriors would want to send some salary back. If the Spurs interest was tied to their ability to dump McBuckets on us, that's a very different rumor.

[toooskies]

Neither should be difficult to move. Both are effectively expiring. Windler is a potential flier, Osman is actually a useful player, albeit at a higher price point. Sending out the cash just helps to normalize the cost.

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I doubt Cedi is useful to any of the 4 teams that are currently able to acquire him.

Cedi isn't useless, he's just too erratic and he fails to play within his game too often. But that doesn't make him all that different from other guys in the NBA who are filling out the 9-12 slots on the roster. His contract is only an issue now because of Sexton and none of us know whether Sexton will sign a market-rate contract to come off the bench, or not. Until the parties are within striking distance, I'm not sure how relevant Cedi or Windler are.

That said, there were reports that the Spurs and Warriors had some interest in Cedi last year. Now, at least the Warriors would want to send some salary back. If the Spurs interest was tied to their ability to dump McBuckets on us, that's a very different rumor.

The other thing is both Indiana and San Antonio have mediocre wing depth. Cedi would probably find a spot in either rotation.

My most preferred outcome for Cedi, though, is routing him to LA in a Westbrook trade. He's the kind of throw-in they might want to fill out the roster now and be a movable salary in the future.

[JujitsuFlip]

I doubt any of the 3 tanking teams are going to prioritize giving minutes to a 27 year old on an expiring deal.

With the Clippers, he would probably be the 15th man.

Wall/Reggie/Preston
Powell/Mann/Kennard/Coffey
PG13/Covington/Boston/Cedi
Klaw/Batum
Zubac/Morris

I get the Lue factor but it also means they would have to cut Moses Brown camp deal and have no real back-up center.

[jbk1234]

Cedi is a credible SF option off the bench on an expiring contract that costs less than the MLE. I suspect the reason he hasn't been traded yet is because: (1) Sexton hasn't signaled he's willing to adjust his initial contract expectations; and (2) both the Pacers and the Spurs are waiting for the Westbrook and Mitchell shoes to drop. Until the Spurs and Pacers know how much of that space they'll need in a trade that could net them an unprotected first, it would be irrational to take on Cedi for a second. But really, none of this matters until Klutch and Sexton indicate they're willing to move off his initial number because Cedi is not what's stopping the Cavs from offering Sexton $20M per.

[toooskies]

I doubt any of the 3 tanking teams are going to prioritize giving minutes to a 27 year old on an expiring deal.

With the Clippers, he would probably be the 15th man.

Wall/Reggie/Preston
Powell/Mann/Kennard/Coffey
PG13/Covington/Boston/Cedi
Klaw/Batum
Zubac/Morris

I get the Lue factor but it also means they would have to cut Moses Brown camp deal and have no real back-up center.

Lakers, not Clippers. Thus the Westbrook trade.

[JujitsuFlip]

I doubt any of the 3 tanking teams are going to prioritize giving minutes to a 27 year old on an expiring deal.

With the Clippers, he would probably be the 15th man.

Wall/Reggie/Preston
Powell/Mann/Kennard/Coffey
PG13/Covington/Boston/Cedi
Klaw/Batum
Zubac/Morris

I get the Lue factor but it also means they would have to cut Moses Brown camp deal and have no real back-up center.

Lakers, not Clippers. Thus the Westbrook trade.

Clippers have a TPE to absorb him. I don't see how Cedi factors into a Westbrook trade at all. You're saying the Cavs are getting in as a 3rd, 4th, or 5th team to offload Cedi?

[JujitsuFlip]

Cedi is a credible SF option off the bench on an expiring contract that costs less than the MLE. I suspect the reason he hasn't been traded yet is because: (1) Sexton hasn't signaled he's willing to adjust his initial contract expectations; and (2) both the Pacers and the Spurs are waiting for the Westbrook and Mitchell shoes to drop. Until the Spurs and Pacers know how much of that space they'll need in a trade that could net them an unprotected first, it would be irrational to take on Cedi for a second. But really, none of this matters until Klutch and Sexton indicate they're willing to move off his initial number because Cedi is not what's stopping the Cavs from offering Sexton $20M per.

Sexton either plays on the QO or sits out the season, imo.

Based on the article though, Cedi is the odd man out, to clear the roster spot for Sexton if/when he opts in, not to offer him more money.

[JonFromVA]

Cedi is a credible SF option off the bench on an expiring contract that costs less than the MLE. I suspect the reason he hasn't been traded yet is because: (1) Sexton hasn't signaled he's willing to adjust his initial contract expectations; and (2) both the Pacers and the Spurs are waiting for the Westbrook and Mitchell shoes to drop. Until the Spurs and Pacers know how much of that space they'll need in a trade that could net them an unprotected first, it would be irrational to take on Cedi for a second. But really, none of this matters until Klutch and Sexton indicate they're willing to move off his initial number because Cedi is not what's stopping the Cavs from offering Sexton $20M per.

Sexton either plays on the QO or sits out the season, imo.

Based on the article though, Cedi is the odd man out, to clear the roster spot for Sexton if/when he opts in, not to offer him more money.

Well, unless Windler starts to turn heads rapidly, he would seem the easy choice to just cut and open a roster spot; which simply makes it easier to keep options open until a move has to be made. Alternatively we could cut Neto if we see Sexton eating all his minutes. It comes down to who JBB would actual play and/or who Altman/Gansey would like to force him to play.

That is, assuming they can't sort this all out with a trade ...

[JujitsuFlip]

Cedi is a credible SF option off the bench on an expiring contract that costs less than the MLE. I suspect the reason he hasn't been traded yet is because: (1) Sexton hasn't signaled he's willing to adjust his initial contract expectations; and (2) both the Pacers and the Spurs are waiting for the Westbrook and Mitchell shoes to drop. Until the Spurs and Pacers know how much of that space they'll need in a trade that could net them an unprotected first, it would be irrational to take on Cedi for a second. But really, none of this matters until Klutch and Sexton indicate they're willing to move off his initial number because Cedi is not what's stopping the Cavs from offering Sexton $20M per.

Sexton either plays on the QO or sits out the season, imo.

Based on the article though, Cedi is the odd man out, to clear the roster spot for Sexton if/when he opts in, not to offer him more money.

Well, unless Windler starts to turn heads rapidly, he would seem the easy choice to just cut and open a roster spot; which simply makes it easier to keep options open until a move has to be made. Alternatively we could cut Neto if we see Sexton eating all his minutes. It comes down to who JBB would actual play and/or who Altman/Gansey would like to force him to play.

That is, assuming they can't sort this all out with a trade ...

Based on the Peter Dewey article, citing Chris Fedor, Cedi is the odd man out, if/when Sexton signs the QO.

[jbk1234]

I doubt any of the 3 tanking teams are going to prioritize giving minutes to a 27 year old on an expiring deal.

With the Clippers, he would probably be the 15th man.

Wall/Reggie/Preston
Powell/Mann/Kennard/Coffey
PG13/Covington/Boston/Cedi
Klaw/Batum
Zubac/Morris

I get the Lue factor but it also means they would have to cut Moses Brown camp deal and have no real back-up center.

Lakers, not Clippers. Thus the Westbrook trade.

Clippers have a TPE to absorb him. I don't see how Cedi factors into a Westbrook trade at all. You're saying the Cavs are getting in as a 3rd, 4th, or 5th team to offload Cedi?

I'm saying if the Lakers want max cap space back in a Westbrook trade, so they can make other moves, that unprotected 1st becomes far more important than whatever the Cavs would offer to unload Cedi.

[JujitsuFlip]

Lakers, not Clippers. Thus the Westbrook trade.

Clippers have a TPE to absorb him. I don't see how Cedi factors into a Westbrook trade at all. You're saying the Cavs are getting in as a 3rd, 4th, or 5th team to offload Cedi?

I'm saying if the Lakers want max cap space back in a Westbrook trade, so they can make other moves, that unprotected 1st becomes far more important than whatever the Cavs would offer to unload Cedi.

I understand what you are saying, I'm trying to see what tooskies keeps referring to in Cedi ending up on the Lakers in a Westbrook trade.

[toooskies]

Clippers have a TPE to absorb him. I don't see how Cedi factors into a Westbrook trade at all. You're saying the Cavs are getting in as a 3rd, 4th, or 5th team to offload Cedi?

I'm saying if the Lakers want max cap space back in a Westbrook trade, so they can make other moves, that unprotected 1st becomes far more important than whatever the Cavs would offer to unload Cedi.

I understand what you are saying, I'm trying to see what tooskies keeps referring to in Cedi ending up on the Lakers in a Westbrook trade.

The Lakers will have Westbrook's mammoth salary going out and will likely be able to take back more money than just the value they're paying picks for-- for instance, if they get Hield + Turner for two 1sts, they still have room in the trade to take Cedi as another rotation guy. Same thing in a Kyrie deal. They also have crap depth, mostly minimum guys who are at Cedi's level of play or lower.

So I could see the Lakers ending up with him without needing compensation to take him, or less compensation than the Spurs or Pacers would ask.

[JujitsuFlip]

I'm saying if the Lakers want max cap space back in a Westbrook trade, so they can make other moves, that unprotected 1st becomes far more important than whatever the Cavs would offer to unload Cedi.

I understand what you are saying, I'm trying to see what tooskies keeps referring to in Cedi ending up on the Lakers in a Westbrook trade.

The Lakers will have Westbrook's mammoth salary going out and will likely be able to take back more money than just the value they're paying picks for-- for instance, if they get Hield + Turner for two 1sts, they still have room in the trade to take Cedi as another rotation guy. Same thing in a Kyrie deal. They also have crap depth, mostly minimum guys who are at Cedi's level of play or lower.

So I could see the Lakers ending up with him without needing compensation to take him, or less compensation than the Spurs or Pacers would ask.

I mean, it could happen but highly unlikely. Its more likely the Cavs just waive and stretch Cedi for 5 years as you have said previously which in itself is very unlikely.

[toooskies]

I understand what you are saying, I'm trying to see what tooskies keeps referring to in Cedi ending up on the Lakers in a Westbrook trade.

The Lakers will have Westbrook's mammoth salary going out and will likely be able to take back more money than just the value they're paying picks for-- for instance, if they get Hield + Turner for two 1sts, they still have room in the trade to take Cedi as another rotation guy. Same thing in a Kyrie deal. They also have crap depth, mostly minimum guys who are at Cedi's level of play or lower.

So I could see the Lakers ending up with him without needing compensation to take him, or less compensation than the Spurs or Pacers would ask.

I mean, it could happen but highly unlikely. Its more likely the Cavs just waive and stretch Cedi for 5 years as you have said previously which in itself is very unlikely.

I don't find it highly unlikely that the Cavs are looking for this sort of deal. They were trying to send Cedi out to Indiana when they signed Rubio.

[jbk1234]

I'm saying if the Lakers want max cap space back in a Westbrook trade, so they can make other moves, that unprotected 1st becomes far more important than whatever the Cavs would offer to unload Cedi.

I understand what you are saying, I'm trying to see what tooskies keeps referring to in Cedi ending up on the Lakers in a Westbrook trade.

The Lakers will have Westbrook's mammoth salary going out and will likely be able to take back more money than just the value they're paying picks for-- for instance, if they get Hield + Turner for two 1sts, they still have room in the trade to take Cedi as another rotation guy. Same thing in a Kyrie deal. They also have crap depth, mostly minimum guys who are at Cedi's level of play or lower.

So I could see the Lakers ending up with him without needing compensation to take him, or less compensation than the Spurs or Pacers would ask.

Again, this is theoretically possible, but I suspect that if the Lakers were willing to part with 2 1sts for that return it would've already happened. They may, and likely do, prefer one first to the Spurs for smaller returning contracts, more cap space, and one first to Brooklyn for Kyrie.

[JujitsuFlip]

The Lakers will have Westbrook's mammoth salary going out and will likely be able to take back more money than just the value they're paying picks for-- for instance, if they get Hield + Turner for two 1sts, they still have room in the trade to take Cedi as another rotation guy. Same thing in a Kyrie deal. They also have crap depth, mostly minimum guys who are at Cedi's level of play or lower.

So I could see the Lakers ending up with him without needing compensation to take him, or less compensation than the Spurs or Pacers would ask.

I mean, it could happen but highly unlikely. Its more likely the Cavs just waive and stretch Cedi for 5 years as you have said previously which in itself is very unlikely.

I don't find it highly unlikely that the Cavs are looking for this sort of deal. They were trying to send Cedi out to Indiana when they signed Rubio.

Cavs probably aren't the only team looking to get in on a multi team trade though. I'm sure the Cavs are looking at it, doesn't mean the Cavs or Cedi will be picked by the Lakers and the acquiring team to be included.

If Sexton opts in, I look at terms of likeliness to clear Cedi as...

1. Trading him to a team with cap or a TPE
2. Waive and stretched
3. Traded in a multi team trade as a throw in

And I believe there's a massive drop off between 1 and 2, in terms of odds of happening.

[toooskies]

I understand what you are saying, I'm trying to see what tooskies keeps referring to in Cedi ending up on the Lakers in a Westbrook trade.

The Lakers will have Westbrook's mammoth salary going out and will likely be able to take back more money than just the value they're paying picks for-- for instance, if they get Hield + Turner for two 1sts, they still have room in the trade to take Cedi as another rotation guy. Same thing in a Kyrie deal. They also have crap depth, mostly minimum guys who are at Cedi's level of play or lower.

So I could see the Lakers ending up with him without needing compensation to take him, or less compensation than the Spurs or Pacers would ask.

Again, this is theoretically possible, but I suspect that if the Lakers were willing to part with 2 1sts for that return it would've already happened. They may, and likely do, prefer one first to the Spurs for smaller returning contracts, more cap space, and one first to Brooklyn for Kyrie.

The Lakers may be waiting for LeBron to sign his extension before making a trade building around him.

[toooskies]

I mean, it could happen but highly unlikely. Its more likely the Cavs just waive and stretch Cedi for 5 years as you have said previously which in itself is very unlikely.

I don't find it highly unlikely that the Cavs are looking for this sort of deal. They were trying to send Cedi out to Indiana when they signed Rubio.

Cavs probably aren't the only team looking to get in on a multi team trade though. I'm sure the Cavs are looking at it, doesn't mean the Cavs or Cedi will be picked by the Lakers and the acquiring team to be included.

If Sexton opts in, I look at terms of likeliness to clear Cedi as...

1. Trading him to a team with cap or a TPE
2. Waive and stretched
3. Traded in a multi team trade as a throw in

And I believe there's a massive drop off between 1 and 2, in terms of odds of happening.

I never said it was the most likely, just what I'd prefer for both Cedi and the team. In fact, he might end up in a Lakers TPE after the deal. If we didn't have a roster spot crunch, I'd think we could consider not dumping Osman until close to the deadline like the Celtics did with Juancho last year.

[JonFromVA]

Sexton either plays on the QO or sits out the season, imo.

Based on the article though, Cedi is the odd man out, to clear the roster spot for Sexton if/when he opts in, not to offer him more money.

Well, unless Windler starts to turn heads rapidly, he would seem the easy choice to just cut and open a roster spot; which simply makes it easier to keep options open until a move has to be made. Alternatively we could cut Neto if we see Sexton eating all his minutes. It comes down to who JBB would actual play and/or who Altman/Gansey would like to force him to play.

That is, assuming they can't sort this all out with a trade ...

Based on the Peter Dewey article, citing Chris Fedor, Cedi is the odd man out, if/when Sexton signs the QO.

He's a possibility casualty, but JBB did actually play him last year (7th in total minutes) and he's a 6'8" SF on a team lacking wing length.

Oh, and I doubt Fedor was fed anything about who would be cut for Collin, so likely just a guess on his part. His reasoning is also shaky given Windler never had JBB's trust and Neto will need to earn it. Cedi + Neto may actually work out nicely given Cedi was at his best when Ricky was running things. Point-Cedi was just one in a series of desperate moves.