Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons?

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Re: Is the Knicks even better then the pistons? 

Post#61 » by Scalabrine » Sat Jul 30, 2022 3:08 am

aad wrote:I like Brunson but he’s a lil overrated he just a lil upgrade over burks Toppin needs a bigger role I think he can have a breakout year for them


I mean, I love Burks, but come on dude. Brunson is a much better player than him and a much better Point Guard.
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#62 » by Raps in 4 » Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:38 am

Yeah. Detroit has a lot of talented youth, but they're still raw.
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#63 » by gorz » Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:54 am

Pistons have alot of exciting raw talent but the knicks are still ahead. The knicks have 3 players that are better than anyone on the pistons right now(Randle Barrett and Brunson). Brunson is a winning caliber player excellent floor general the knicks persistent pursuit in signing him this offseason will not be in vain. This move will pay off big time for them.
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#64 » by cgf » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:21 pm

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jasonxxx102 wrote:Seems like hyperbole. The Knicks have a clearly more talented roster, they will win more games this season but have no future.

This season Knicks are clearly better but not looking out 2+ years

Eh, our future is a question mark. We don't have a Cade, but with only 4 players on the roster over 24yo...Brunson (25), Randle (26), Fournier (29), & Rose (33)...all of their own picks, and 4 protected 1sts from Dallas, Detroit, Milwaukee, & Washington; the knicks have the ammo to trade for a player of that caliber if they are patient and find the right guy; or if they can take further steps in that direction while maintaining enough ammo to someday make their own version of the Kawhi-trade.


The next time NYK are patient and wait for the right guy will be the first time.


Then why isn’t Mitchell a Knick right now? They’d have given Ainge 8 FRPs + swaps for Spida already if this FO didn’t have any patience :dontknow:

That doesn’t guarantee that they’ll save their powder for the right guy or the right price, but so far they have actually shown patience.
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#65 » by cgf » Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:53 pm

gorz wrote:Pistons have alot of exciting raw talent but the knicks are still ahead. The knicks have 3 players that are better than anyone on the pistons right now(Randle Barrett and Brunson). Brunson is a winning caliber player excellent floor general the knicks persistent pursuit in signing him this offseason will not be in vain. This move will pay off big time for them.

The Wildcard in this is Cade. Whenever he takes that leap, the Pistons could surpass us quickly, and you never know when kids that gifted will take that leap; things could click from game 1 this season or he could gradually figure out more & more over the next two seasons, before taking over.
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#66 » by flow » Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:01 pm

For this year? Definitely.

Beyond this year? Not likely.
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#67 » by iqureshi » Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:06 pm

Young teams are loaded with talent, and Det, Cha, and maybe Orlandos best player is better then anyone on the Knicks. They lack in experience, but those games won't be clear cut Knicks winning those games.
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#68 » by jfs1000d » Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:10 pm

aad wrote:I’m just saying they haven’t improved much on paper and the pistons roster just looks better on paper

They lost some depth too
Noel
Burks
Walker
Gibson

I think the vets on the kicks are still capable of a 40-win season. The ceiling is much higher with pistons however .


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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#69 » by rtiff68 » Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:20 pm

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aad wrote:I’m just saying they haven’t improved much on paper and the pistons roster just looks better on paper

They lost some depth too
Noel
Burks
Walker
Gibson


The Knicks got Brunson and Harkenstien. If they add Spida we’re talking a very good team. The pistons are too young at this point


I get overpaying in FA for Brunson, even though I don’t like the move.

I get overpaying in draft capital for Mitchell, even if I don’t like the move (assuming the package is close to what has been reported— like the Gobert return).

I don’t get doing both of those things in the same offseason— basically nuking your resources now, and for the foreseeable future— to build a conceptually flawed backcourt.

I don’t get it.
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#70 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:36 pm

WargamesX wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:RJ Barrett is hella overrated. thats all.

It’s because he is Canadian…. 8-) Everything from Canada is overrated


No one overrates anything else from Canada.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#71 » by hoosierdaddy34 » Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:20 pm

If they get Mitchell I think they will be. But as currently constructed? I’m not so sure
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#72 » by F N 11 » Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:50 pm

The general board anti Knick fans I tell ya.
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#73 » by Mavrelous » Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:06 pm

Brunson is going to surprise a lot of people, dude is a baller, and Knicks have enough to cover for his defensive weakness.
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#74 » by cgf » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:31 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
aad wrote:I’m just saying they haven’t improved much on paper and the pistons roster just looks better on paper

They lost some depth too
Noel
Burks
Walker
Gibson

I think the vets on the kicks are still capable of a 40-win season. The ceiling is much higher with pistons however .


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The Knicks won 37 games last season. With Hartenstein and Brunson coming in, the Knicks should be better next season even without any progression from their kids, and NY has just 4 players over 24…Brunson (25), Randle (26), Fournier (29), Rose (33)…or a Randle bounce back.

If they win just 40 games that would be a big disappointment.
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#75 » by RHODEY » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:44 pm

aad wrote:I’m just saying they haven’t improved much on paper and the pistons roster just looks better on paper

They lost some depth too
Noel
Burks
Walker
Gibson
Yes the added a very key position that they haven't had in a decade.Also their bench is very deep.
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Re: Is the Knicks even better then the pistons? 

Post#76 » by RHODEY » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:45 pm

aad wrote:I like Brunson but he’s a lil overrated he just a lil upgrade over burks

Do you watch basketball? :noway:
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#77 » by RHODEY » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:47 pm

F N 11 wrote:The general board anti Knick fans I tell ya.

Piston fan who needs a confidence boost...at New York's expense.
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#78 » by RHODEY » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:53 pm

iLLmatic860 wrote:My question to Piston fans, you guys have a very bright future. Skies the limits, but why are you even thinking about the Knicks out of all teams?

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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#79 » by RHODEY » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:54 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
WargamesX wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:RJ Barrett is hella overrated. thats all.

It’s because he is Canadian…. 8-) Everything from Canada is overrated


No one overrates anything else from Canada.
Because Canada isn't relevant enough to be overated.

Don't insult entire countries and bait people into an argument. -b
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Re: Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons? 

Post#80 » by bstein14 » Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:24 pm

22-23 season: Knicks are for sure better
23-24 season: It's likely close between the two teams each winning in the mid 40s.
24-25 season: Pistons are most likely better.

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