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Maybe he was only Aston Villa level?HIF wrote:Watching the Charity shield yesterday, both Haaland and Nunez looked like they'll do well in the prem. Mo Salah was hot. But the biggest takeaway was sadness at what Man city have done to Jack Grealish. At Villa he was the centre of everything, strong, fast, intense, an incredible player. Now he looks lost and lacking in confidence and ideas. Sometimes moving to "big" clubs is the wrong move, I think he's go down the Danny Drinkwater route, rather than the Kanté route.
KG Leonard wrote:Maybe he was only Aston Villa level?HIF wrote:Watching the Charity shield yesterday, both Haaland and Nunez looked like they'll do well in the prem. Mo Salah was hot. But the biggest takeaway was sadness at what Man city have done to Jack Grealish. At Villa he was the centre of everything, strong, fast, intense, an incredible player. Now he looks lost and lacking in confidence and ideas. Sometimes moving to "big" clubs is the wrong move, I think he's go down the Danny Drinkwater route, rather than the Kanté route.
He wasn't exactly dominating PL when he went to City. He is too slow to do anything with his dribbling. Frankly he doesn't look like he belongs on City with the lack of end product. Compare him to Mahrez,Salah,Jota,Sterling, Foden, Diaz, Mane if he wasnt English hype..
Also He was never a Bale destroying the PL, CL best teams in Tottenham, this is his last chance in City,Pep is used to world class wingers.
Nunez will have easier to adapt to Liverpool than Haaland because Salah,Diaz is much more direct,speed,counterattacking. KDB, City wingers have to adapt to Haaland,his runs.
HIF wrote:What is Aston villa level? I've never heard anything so mediacentric. The guy was absolute class and he outplayed players in all the big teams. He was clearly the best player at Villa unlike Mahrez at Leicester. He was far more important for them and destroyed teams on his own unlike Mahrez who needed carrying for the vast majority of the time he was on the pitch.
KDB only needs to put passes behind the defence for Haaland to shine, he can do that. Haaland will be able to do a Vardy to defences.
Baphomet wrote:Here we go. Back again. Discuss the 2022/23 Premier League season here! Newly promoted sides are Fulham, Bournemouth and Nottingham Forest.
Dominater wrote:Damn Cactus jack takin over
Cactus Jack wrote:Baphomet wrote:Here we go. Back again. Discuss the 2022/23 Premier League season here! Newly promoted sides are Fulham, Bournemouth and Nottingham Forest.
It's great to see Forest promoted.
Baphomet wrote:HIF wrote:What is Aston villa level? I've never heard anything so mediacentric. The guy was absolute class and he outplayed players in all the big teams. He was clearly the best player at Villa unlike Mahrez at Leicester. He was far more important for them and destroyed teams on his own unlike Mahrez who needed carrying for the vast majority of the time he was on the pitch.
KDB only needs to put passes behind the defence for Haaland to shine, he can do that. Haaland will be able to do a Vardy to defences.
I kind of get what he means, though I don't agree with the premise of him being "Aston Villa level". While I think Grealish is a good player and isn't showing that at City, he really needs the ball at his feet. Grealish's strengths (passing, vision, dribbling/penetration into space etc.) are all ball dependent, he's never going to thrive without the ball as he isn't a particularly good runner. He's basically redundant when he's on the pitch with De Bruyne and Bernardo. I'm not actually sure what his role is in that team, as they have other players that are better at #10 and better as a left-sided winger. While it's true that City have far more touches of the ball compared to Villa due to their possessive style of play, in an attacking sense for Grealish they're probably less meaningful touches.
Mahrez has a much more defined role that can translate to any team. Get the ball out wide, cut in, shoot, and his movement allows him to be a poacher too. I don't think he's a better player than Grealish by any means, but he's much easier to plug in to an already structured team. Grealish basically needs to play as the central piece, like De Bruyne, rather than a peripheral role.
I'm sure that he's working on improving his off-ball effectiveness with Pep and the City coaching staff, but I think the fit at City is questionable and probably needs to play on a team constructed around him. Just my opinion.
HIF wrote:So really you agree. Pep is detrimental to Grealish. Agree about Mahrez too - he doesn't do much but what he does he does at a world level (or as I call it a Villa level). At Man city he only has to do that because everyone covers his defensive liability.
Baphomet wrote:HIF wrote:What is Aston villa level? I've never heard anything so mediacentric. The guy was absolute class and he outplayed players in all the big teams. He was clearly the best player at Villa unlike Mahrez at Leicester. He was far more important for them and destroyed teams on his own unlike Mahrez who needed carrying for the vast majority of the time he was on the pitch.
KDB only needs to put passes behind the defence for Haaland to shine, he can do that. Haaland will be able to do a Vardy to defences.
I kind of get what he means, though I don't agree with the premise of him being "Aston Villa level". While I think Grealish is a good player and isn't showing that at City, he really needs the ball at his feet. Grealish's strengths (passing, vision, dribbling/penetration into space etc.) are all ball dependent, he's never going to thrive without the ball as he isn't a particularly good runner. He's basically redundant when he's on the pitch with De Bruyne and Bernardo. I'm not actually sure what his role is in that team, as they have other players that are better at #10 and better as a left-sided winger. While it's true that City have far more touches of the ball compared to Villa due to their possessive style of play, in an attacking sense for Grealish they're probably less meaningful touches.
Mahrez has a much more defined role that can translate to any team. Get the ball out wide, cut in, shoot, and his movement allows him to be a poacher too. I don't think he's a better player than Grealish by any means, but he's much easier to plug in to an already structured team. Grealish basically needs to play as the central piece, like De Bruyne, rather than a peripheral role.
I'm sure that he's working on improving his off-ball effectiveness with Pep and the City coaching staff, but I think the fit at City is questionable and probably needs to play on a team constructed around him. Just my opinion.
Baphomet wrote:HIF wrote:So really you agree. Pep is detrimental to Grealish. Agree about Mahrez too - he doesn't do much but what he does he does at a world level (or as I call it a Villa level). At Man city he only has to do that because everyone covers his defensive liability.
Frankly, I don't think he improves City at all. He isn't a player like De Bruyne or Salah whose presence elevates an already elite team, which is where I roughly agree with parts of KG Leonard's assessment. I think an ideal fit for him would be somewhere like Arsenal, Atletico or Dortmund, on a purely footballing level.
The_Brecht wrote:I didn't even start thinking about fpl yet and it starts again.
Damn, that went fast.
LDNMagic90 wrote:What are you guys predictions for the Prem as of now? I'm mainly basing this on squads on paper and transfer activity.
I think I have it as:
Champions - Liverpool
Rest of the top 4 (not in any order) - City, Arsenal and Tottenham
Top 6 - Man Utd and Chelsea (not in order)
7 - West Ham
8-12 - Leicester, Aston Villa, Newcastle, Crystal Palace and Brentford (I can see Brighton struggling this season)
13-16 - Wolves, Brighton, Southampton, Nottingham Forrest
17- 20 - Leeds, Everton, Fulham, Bournemouth
LDNMagic90 wrote:The_Brecht wrote:I didn't even start thinking about fpl yet and it starts again.
Damn, that went fast.
We should have a realGM FPL possibly, especially if we can get some decent numbers.
Baphomet wrote:LDNMagic90 wrote:The_Brecht wrote:I didn't even start thinking about fpl yet and it starts again.
Damn, that went fast.
We should have a realGM FPL possibly, especially if we can get some decent numbers.
We've had this for a few years, although we're not too likely to pull in any crazy numbers. One year it was just me, Brecht and Boognish. Was still super close and fun, though.
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