Does Booker have a case for top 10 player?

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[Darthlukey]

He was robbed of MVP so I'd say yeah

Lol robbed.

This! There was a clear cut top 3 that were elite..... and then everyone else. Book could have been 4th, 40th or 400th in the votes, it wouldnt matter, he wasnt even in the meaningful MVP conversations which was Joker, Giannis and Embiid

[iggymcfrack]

Absolutely not. Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, Curry, Tatum, LeBron, Durant, Luka, Butler, Kawhi are all CLEARLY better. That’s 10 guys right there. Then you still have Davis, George, Trae, Ja, Gobert, and Lillard that at the very least have very good cases as well.

[jokeboy86]

I got to talk this out. Players I have better than Booker:

Giannis
Jokic
Luka
Embiid
Durant
Lebron
Curry(only cause of last year's ring)
Lillard
Ja

I put Booker in this list of guys that it's hard for me to separate(in no order):

Booker
Lavine
George
Tatum
Butler
Young

And then there's the hurt guys who may possibly be better but then are hurt a lot:

Zion
A. Davis
Leonard

So Booker's right there and I have feeling next year will be the year he establishes himself even more as eventually Paul will start to wear down cause of age.

Wtf???

Steph had arguably the worst year in his career last year and if he the Warriors don't win the title are we still putting him as a top 10 player? You could maybe argue that Trae Young had a better year than Curry last year.

[Crives]

If Booker is so bad, why is he KDs preferred partner?

[dhsilv2]

I got to talk this out. Players I have better than Booker:

Giannis
Jokic
Luka
Embiid
Durant
Lebron
Curry(only cause of last year's ring)
Lillard
Ja

I put Booker in this list of guys that it's hard for me to separate(in no order):

Booker
Lavine
George
Tatum
Butler
Young

And then there's the hurt guys who may possibly be better but then are hurt a lot:

Zion
A. Davis
Leonard

So Booker's right there and I have feeling next year will be the year he establishes himself even more as eventually Paul will start to wear down cause of age.

Wtf???

Steph had arguably the worst year in his career last year and if he the Warriors don't win the title are we still putting him as a top 10 player? You could maybe argue that Trae Young had a better year than Curry last year.

Why would Curry not be top 10? You could absolutely NOT argue that Trae was better. Go look at any of the impact measure and we'll see Curry in the top 10. Even box metrics like BPM had him 9th. Curry's game is a lot deeper than just making buckets and the metrics proved that out once against this year.

[dhsilv2]

If Booker is so bad, why is he KDs preferred partner?

Who has said he's bad? Not being top 10 and being bad are pretty damn far apart. Booker isn't a top 10 player. He's a damn good scorer and well liked among players and fans. But the top 10 is pretty stiff.

[SpreeS]

I got to talk this out. Players I have better than Booker:

Giannis
Jokic
Luka
Embiid
Durant
Lebron
Curry(only cause of last year's ring)
Lillard
Ja

I put Booker in this list of guys that it's hard for me to separate(in no order):

Booker
Lavine
George
Tatum
Butler
Young

And then there's the hurt guys who may possibly be better but then are hurt a lot:

Zion
A. Davis
Leonard

So Booker's right there and I have feeling next year will be the year he establishes himself even more as eventually Paul will start to wear down cause of age.

Wtf???

Steph had arguably the worst year in his career last year and if he the Warriors don't win the title are we still putting him as a top 10 player? You could maybe argue that Trae Young had a better year than Curry last year.

He was one of the best players in PO last season regardless the title and RS was still miles better than Booker’s. Curry is still the best guard in NBA

[Fencer reregistered]

Point of semantics: Of course he does. The accolades prove that.

This thread considers whether the case is any good.

[Fencer reregistered]

If Booker is so bad, why is he KDs preferred partner?

KD preferred Kyrie even more.

[gorz]

Amongst guards near his age group
Trae Young and Donovan Mitchell are better than Booker.

Amongst forwards near his age group
Luka Doncic and Jayson Tatum are better than Booker.

Booker massively benefited from the suns acquiring Chris Paul. Before that he was a statpadding chucker on perennial losing team.

[Darthlukey]

Point of semantics: Of course he does. The accolades prove that.

This thread considers whether the case is any good.

Which accolades? Aside from 4th in MVP in a year with 3 contenders and making all-nba 1st team that only allows for a C and two F when there a multiple Cs and Fs better than him.

Edit: This probably reads more offensive than I mean it to be, im just curious if I have missed anything else

[Darthlukey]

Amongst guards near his age group
Trae Young and Donovan Mitchell are better than Booker.

Amongst forwards near his age group
Luka Doncic and Jayson Tatum are better than Booker.

Booker massively benefited from the suns acquiring Chris Paul. Before that he was a statpadding chucker on perennial losing team.

I would argue that Spida isnt close to booker if you account for defence. Offensively, Booker is more consistent (which says a lot) though Spida tends to explode more.

[Fencer reregistered]

Point of semantics: Of course he does. The accolades prove that.

This thread considers whether the case is any good.

Which accolades? Aside from 4th in MVP in a year with 3 contenders and making all-nba 1st team that only allows for a C and two F when there a multiple Cs and Fs better than him.

Edit: This probably reads more offensive than I mean it to be, im just curious if I have missed anything else

Exactly what I mean. He was ranked so high for a single season that voters were implying he'd still have been top-10 (or else very close) if everybody were healthy. E.g., whether or not you or I believe he deserves to be ranked over CP3, a lot of voters clearly thought so.

[bwgood77]

Probably around 15. I don't know if Harden is really better now. It's weird seeing top 10 or 12 lists without Kawhi. People had him #1 3 years ago and he killed the Mavs in the playoffs 2 years ago before injury.

Paul George underrated too among others.

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If Booker is so bad, why is he KDs preferred partner?

Probably cause no one would argue that Booker is a top ten player, allows KD to get all the credit.

[triple_threat]

No and him being on the 1st team isn't even an accurate representation of the league as a whole.

But here's the top 10 players in the NBA from last season in no particular order

1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. Steph Curry
4. Luka
5. Kevin Durant
6. Joel Embiid
7. Jayson Tatum
8. LeBron James
9. Ja Morant
10. Jimmy Butler

Obviously CP3 is the best player on the Suns, the biggest reason why they're good next to Monty Williams coaching, CP3 therefore is ranked above Devin Booker.

Dejounte Murray was a better player than Devin Booker last year
DeMar DeRozan was a better player than Devin Booker last year
Trae Young was a better player than Devin Booker last year
KAT was a better player than Devin Booker last year

Then of course there were the guys that were injured. Damian Lillard, Brad Beal, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Kyrie - not injured but he is a better player than Devin Booker

Man the list just goes on...

Devin Booker was 8th in scoring, 24th in PER, 33rd in WS/48, 17 in VORP, 39 in OWS - this is telling, his job is literally to be an offense first player, 21 in DWS - more because of his team really, 20th in BPM, 18 in VORP

by all statistical categories Devin Booker was only barely top 10 in scoring. and he was 78th in TS which means he isn't even the most efficient scorer, and that 78th is below tons of other high volume scorers like DBo, Trae, KD, Butler, Kyrie, Harden, Middleton, Curry, LaVine, etc.

There is nothing to quantify Booker being a top 10 player in the league, the only reason he made the 1st team was because PHX had the #1 seed. He has no business being put ahead of Steph Curry on an All NBA team. Ja also belongs above Booker, Booker should've either been a 3rd team guy or been knocked off the list. CP3 belonged on the 2nd team above Book.

"Dejounte Murray was a better player than Devin Booker last year
DeMar DeRozan was a better player than Devin Booker last year
Trae Young was a better player than Devin Booker last year
KAT was a better player than Devin Booker last year"

By better than Booker how do you define that? All the players you listed above had worse records in both the regular and postseason than Booker's Suns.

I do think he's just outside the top 10 but definitely in the top 15.

Saying those players had a worse record than the suns is a blatantly false statement

[Blonde]

One of the most consistently disrespected players over the last few years by fans and media. He was somewhere around the 9-10th best player last season to me, when the league is at full strength he may be more in the 13-15 range. Certainly not a tier 1 star but good enough to build a team around that could win a championship. Anyone who says that Paul is the Suns best player hasn’t paid attention for the last year - it’s not particularly close.

In my opinion he’s a slightly better overall player right now than Harden, Lillard, Irving, Ja, George, Young, Towns, and Lavine. If someone prefers some of those guys over Booker I’d understand. I can’t see any justification for Mitchell, Murray, SGA, Beal, or Gobert who some people have mentioned. He’s clearly worse than Giannis, Jokic, KD, Embiid, Lebron, Doncic, Curry, Kawhi, and Butler. It is interesting to compare him and Tatum after Tatum’s disappearing act in the finals whereas Booker was quite good in the finals. I do recognize that most people will say Tatum is clearly better though.

[garrick]

No and him being on the 1st team isn't even an accurate representation of the league as a whole.

But here's the top 10 players in the NBA from last season in no particular order

1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. Steph Curry
4. Luka
5. Kevin Durant
6. Joel Embiid
7. Jayson Tatum
8. LeBron James
9. Ja Morant
10. Jimmy Butler

Obviously CP3 is the best player on the Suns, the biggest reason why they're good next to Monty Williams coaching, CP3 therefore is ranked above Devin Booker.

Dejounte Murray was a better player than Devin Booker last year
DeMar DeRozan was a better player than Devin Booker last year
Trae Young was a better player than Devin Booker last year
KAT was a better player than Devin Booker last year

Then of course there were the guys that were injured. Damian Lillard, Brad Beal, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Kyrie - not injured but he is a better player than Devin Booker

Man the list just goes on...

Devin Booker was 8th in scoring, 24th in PER, 33rd in WS/48, 17 in VORP, 39 in OWS - this is telling, his job is literally to be an offense first player, 21 in DWS - more because of his team really, 20th in BPM, 18 in VORP

by all statistical categories Devin Booker was only barely top 10 in scoring. and he was 78th in TS which means he isn't even the most efficient scorer, and that 78th is below tons of other high volume scorers like DBo, Trae, KD, Butler, Kyrie, Harden, Middleton, Curry, LaVine, etc.

There is nothing to quantify Booker being a top 10 player in the league, the only reason he made the 1st team was because PHX had the #1 seed. He has no business being put ahead of Steph Curry on an All NBA team. Ja also belongs above Booker, Booker should've either been a 3rd team guy or been knocked off the list. CP3 belonged on the 2nd team above Book.

"Dejounte Murray was a better player than Devin Booker last year
DeMar DeRozan was a better player than Devin Booker last year
Trae Young was a better player than Devin Booker last year
KAT was a better player than Devin Booker last year"

By better than Booker how do you define that? All the players you listed above had worse records in both the regular and postseason than Booker's Suns.

I do think he's just outside the top 10 but definitely in the top 15.

Saying those players had a worse record than the suns is a blatantly false statement

Team records. Did you somehow forget the Suns had 64 wins in the regular season and made it to the second round?

The players listed in quotations all lost in the 1st round and had less wins in the regular season.

[Lalouie]

funny how he was more or less ridiculed before cp3 arrived