OT Brittney Griner Sentenced for 9 years

[Nate505]

She smuggle it into the country tho.

It's 0.7 grams. That's 0.02 fl ounces of water. I'm sure she was itching to become a big mover in the Russian drug scene. Notoriously no one suffers from drug or alcohol abuse in Russia, so the 0.7 grams are really becoming of a nine year sentence and has nothing to do with extraditing war criminals from the US.

i'd get a 4 year sentence here in the state i'm in for a first time weed possession

I doubt it. Depends on what you mean by "possession" though. As far as I know, possession of anything less than an ounce (or near it) is a misdemeanor in all states.

[The Rebel]

Which means ****. She's in a Russian prison, unable to communicate with those around her, likely locked in isolation much of the day, with limited (once in the first two months) access to the Embassy and likely almost no other access to the outside world (e.g., the correspondence with her wife is either forged or heavily censored).

Griner's likely terrified and/or in shock. As you would be--indeed, as would just about everyone talking tough now on this board. I can see most of you "confessing" to various "crimes" within hours. Doesn't make the charges true.

All I see is you making up a ton of excuses and scenarios about why she is scared, that does not change the fact that no where has she said that it wasn't hers. So why arrest her and not the other US citizens over the playing sports? Do you really think that the Russia Government thinks that is the biggest fish they could have gotten considering how many female soccer players and basketball players are over there. There is literally no proof other than your supposition that she didn't take the weed into the country, even her wife and family are not denying it is hers, so why would you assume differently?

Rebel, you've never been falsely arrested. I have been, was put in adult lockup as a kid (age 15.5) for a crime I did not commit, fought the charges and eventually won my release. (I would then sue the local police dept. for this and win...paid for college. )

Many (most?) people break in these situations. E.g., the two kids arrested with me both took plea bargains and tried (failed) to testify against me. (We uncovered evidence that proved I--we actually, to include the other two kids--could not have committed the crime in question.)

And in my experience, it is the people who write "making up a ton of excuses and scenarios about why she is scared" that cave the quickest. I would bet money you'd last an hour tops.

HOw do you know what I have been through? What is your definition of unfair? Is it when the DA cannot charge you because the police broke the law when they arrested you and kept you in questioning for 8 hours at 16 years old? When a judge throws a district attorney and her case out of court in the "interest of justice" while you are sitting in the defendants chair during a trial when the truth comes out? What about when you are pulled over 21 times and having your car searched every time as well as receiving 21 traffic tickets between the ages of 16 and 18, is that fair? Having your car impounded and arrested because someone driving a black mustang pulled a gun on someone and you just happened to be driving a white mustang and despite running 3 dogs through your car and pulling everything in the car out they found nothing, is that fair? What about having the DEA and local cops raid your house twice in 3 months because some jail house narc said you and your roommmates were dealers? Or the fact that on the 2nd raid my neighbor literally filmed the cops carrying in 2 lbs of weed and then having the cops claim they found it in your house? What about getting in a fight at a club and then being charged with attempted murder of an officer of the law because the off duty cop never said he was a cop? Or having the videos from the nightclub disappear and having nightclub employees testify that the cops made them delete them. Are any of those unfair?

Let me know when you get to the fair part, because that was my life over about 4 years when I was 16-20 years old.

By the way I never broke in questioning, which is why the cops loved me so much.

At the end of the day I knew what I was doing, I knew what was legal and illegal, and I knew how to cover my tracks. At one point I was facing 26-42 years in prison, on false charges. But that does not mean that I believe that all charges are false, nor do I believe that it should be assumed that all charges are false, and if you really did any crime and spent time in jail you would know exactly why I say that. Some people break the law, some are stupid, and they deserve to end up in jail.

[vital_signs]

Hope she makes it out ok. But we shouldn't trade her for the literal 'lord of war.' But if we do, hope she appreciates the US a little more

IIRC, Russia rejected the Brittney Griner/Viktor Bout prisoner swap because the US also wanted Paul Whelan included in the deal.

Unfortunately, Russia holds all of the leverage so Griner might be there for a long while.

I believe they want another prisoner added, one jailed for an assassination in Germany. Griner is a moron for taking oil there and unfortunately there is no win-win scenario imo.

[mixerball]

People have gotten less for murder in america.

but also more for weed

[taikibansei]

HOw do you know what I have been through?

People who talk tough on the Internet aren't tough. Again, I would bet money you'd last an hour if interrogated in a Russian prison. Tops.

[BoatsNZones]

According to the law in Russia, up to 6 grams of marijuana possession and up to 2 grams of hash possession (what Griner had) is an administrative offense and results in a few days of detention + paying a fine. Anything over that is a criminal offense.

Griner was carrying 0.7 grams of oil and is sentenced to nine years of prison.

Keep licking boots. You totalitarian simps make me **** sick.

Thanks for the info.

Is there a distinction that details the penalties of a non-Russian citizen found in possession of an illegal substance while entering the country (what they would consider smuggling) versus a Russian citizen?

The reason I ask is because if there isn't a clear distinction between how the laws are applied to Russian citizens in comparison to non-citizens, it allows the Russian court to go beyond prosecutorial guidelines when a punishment is handed down.

Non citizens are indeed treated harsher and this also constitutes smuggling/trafficking under their laws (as Draconian as that may be). After her arrest, a multi year sentence was the expectation. She got the high end (likely due to negotiation possibilities). Also worth noting that if you are arrested in Russia, you will almost universally be convicted. “Defense lawyers” are a pony show.

Why she tested this process in a regime like this is beyond me.

[Duffman100]

Somewhat unrelated but related is the strange pro-Russian sentiment that is making it's way through the North American populace. Ironically through the 'freedom' convoy group that is coming.

As if none of them understand what Putin and this government is. What they've done and what they continue to do.

[Salieri]

I will gladly stand by my statement, there is a very good reason why Russia is in the state that it is for the last 100 years, why it caused so much pain and death in many countries including mine

Nice to know you stand by those blanket statements and generalizations. At least I won't have to prove your words wrong, you can do my work for me.

You still haven't said what country is HighHorseLand. Is this some kind of riddle I'm supposed to figure out? Are you leaving clues and hints on purpose? Is this 20 questions?

overall the population WANTS these dictarors, criminals like Putin and Stalin (who maintains a high popularity there, which is just sick)

Any proof of that? I know asking you for proof of any kind is a tall order, but still. Can't hurt to try.

Russia is a third world country when it comes to standard of living, at least they feel power and importance in a situation like this war

I don't think this is very relevant to the discussion at hand. It provides color, though, mainly of your mindset.

Russia is a sad sad nation, that doesnt change even if many good people live there and your fake outrage certainly doesnt change that.

Every country on Earth is a sad sad nation under any given criteria. Except HighHorseLand, maybe?

Anyhow, please note that you're contradicting yourself. You tried to dodge it by intentionally using vague language, but the notions of "majority of russians are morally corrupt" and "many good people live there" clash with each other. Which one is it then? We will leave the fake outrage lesson for tomorrow.

Also I dont understand you randomly blurting out incarceration stats, what does that have to do with anything? Like you did it to prove that America is more corrupt than Russia?

Are you seriously asking for the reason? I literally said it in my post, it's right there, one word: context

[Damkac]

Moral is simple: don't go to fascist countries.

[The Laker Kid]

I have flown in and out of countries like China, South Korea, Mexico with cartridge on me and never got caught.

You'd probably be fine with NES cartridges, but ink cartridges might be an issue since it has liquid.

[Chronz]

To all those who hate her, I am with you but I have to ask. Would rescuing her not give her a newfound appreciation for this great country, might even make her stand tall during our anthem again. Gaining a true patriot in the process?

Prolly not worth an arms dealer but if we could find a way, we should support it. We need more Americans in the US.

That's without going into the bs surrounding the illegality of weed

[Harry Garris]

Can you guys stop arguing with each other and put yourself in her shoes? Regardless of how you feel about the laws or the drugs, she is in a country that she wasn’t raised in and around people she doesn’t know. She has to be freaking out. She is probably already beating herself up to find herself in this situation. I can’t imagine how scared she must be.

And no, I didn’t know about other Americans being held in Russian prisons because I don’t look at the news or watch documentaries about it. So, this shown a light as well. I feel bad for all of them. And I hope there is a way for them to all come back home. Americans, when traveling overseas, please be careful and know the law of other countries.

She deserves whatever is coming to her because she's a "criminal" according to a lot of people. Once that label is attached to a person it becomes much easier to make assumptions about their situation, to claim a lack of individual responsibility, and ultimately to dehumanize them.

No one deserves to be treated like this for making a mistake. And for anyone who can't see that it's probably a wise idea to take a look in the mirror. We've all done stupid things, we were just lucky enough to not be in a situation where we were unjustly punished for them.

[Salieri]

To all those who hate her, I am with you

WTF is wrong with some of you?

What did she ever do to deserve your hate?

[levon]

Somewhat unrelated but related is the strange pro-Russian sentiment that is making it's way through the North American populace. Ironically through the 'freedom' convoy group that is coming.

As if none of them understand what Putin and this government is. What they've done and what they continue to do.

There's nothing strange about it. It's a coordinated campaign. A growing number of people understand just fine and are sympathizing with it. Freedom indexes show that freedom across the world has been declining each of the last sixteen years. At the current rate, there will be very few democracies left on earth. And if the American democracy falls, the rest will be snuffed out immediately using force.

[danvato]

play stupid games, win stupid prizes

why people feel sorry for her is beyond me

cant wait to see athletes crying over this, **** imbeciles

Serious question: do you have a mental illness?

no, but how about a brain, or some common sense?

why, as a foreigner, bring drugs into a country with pretty strict rules and an out of control government?

play stupid games, win stupid prizes is about right. Noone should be in jail over weed, meh, maybe, doesn't excuse you from being a dumbass. Russia is not US, that should have been obvious even to the dumbest, but i guess it's not.

[Amare_1_Knicks]

My heart sank when I read the headline. I get that it was her mistake in the first place to have that with her. I get that the US will continue to negotiate the conditions of her release. That being said, it’s so incredibly unfortunate that she’s been detained/arrested and remanded to the custody of Russian officials for 5 months, and now there’s this grim and unjust verdict of a 10 year sentence.

So many of the takes I see on social media/here make me sick to my stomach. That because she’s at fault, that means she deserves this — and it doesn’t. Shes getting the hammer dropped on her for having cannabis oil (an amount that isn’t even considered to be punishable by more than a fine or few days in jail), taken from her family and friends, locked away in a foreign country, and is going to potentially have years taken from her. She doesn’t deserve that, and again, unfortunately, being a 6’9, tattooed lesbian person of color doesn’t help her case in a lot of eyes (not mine) — but just to say that if it was a 5’0 blonde white woman the outrage would’ve been immense, regardless of what she did.

[CptCrunch]

It's 0.7 grams. That's 0.02 fl ounces of water. I'm sure she was itching to become a big mover in the Russian drug scene. Notoriously no one suffers from drug or alcohol abuse in Russia, so the 0.7 grams are really becoming of a nine year sentence and has nothing to do with extraditing war criminals from the US.

i'd get a 4 year sentence here in the state i'm in for a first time weed possession

I doubt it. Depends on what you mean by "possession" though. As far as I know, possession of anything less than an ounce (or near it) is a misdemeanor in all states.

State laws don't matter. Marijuana is illegal federally ANYWHERE in the US. Anyone in possession of weed can be persecuted and locked up if needed for political reasons.

Possession of small amounts carries a 1 year max sentence, and if feds want to trump up some distribution charges, it's 5 years. This is ignoring all kinds of importation charges.

What actually happens is different from what can potentially happen under the law of the land.

[Chinook]

What I love is how all these people trying to use the US's freedoms as a club to beat people over the head with are the same type of folks that tried to deny those rights in the first place. People not just accepting that being convicted of a crime means a person can have whatever done to them is why we don't have Russia's legal system. More work needs to be done, but that's not going to come from waving a flag and kicking down.

[TheDiesel36]

I will gladly stand by my statement, there is a very good reason why Russia is in the state that it is for the last 100 years, why it caused so much pain and death in many countries including mine

Nice to know you stand by those blanket statements and generalizations. At least I won't have to prove your words wrong, you can do my work for me.

You still haven't said what country is HighHorseLand. Is this some kind of riddle I'm supposed to figure out? Are you leaving clues and hints on purpose? Is this 20 questions?

overall the population WANTS these dictarors, criminals like Putin and Stalin (who maintains a high popularity there, which is just sick)

Any proof of that? I know asking you for proof of any kind is a tall order, but still. Can't hurt to try.

Russia is a third world country when it comes to standard of living, at least they feel power and importance in a situation like this war

I don't think this is very relevant to the discussion at hand. It provides color, though, mainly of your mindset.

Russia is a sad sad nation, that doesnt change even if many good people live there and your fake outrage certainly doesnt change that.

Every country on Earth is a sad sad nation under any given criteria. Except HighHorseLand, maybe?

Anyhow, please note that you're contradicting yourself. You tried to dodge it by intentionally using vague language, but the notions of "majority of russians are morally corrupt" and "many good people live there" clash with each other. Which one is it then? We will leave the fake outrage lesson for tomorrow.

Also I dont understand you randomly blurting out incarceration stats, what does that have to do with anything? Like you did it to prove that America is more corrupt than Russia?

Are you seriously asking for the reason? I literally said it in my post, it's right there, one word: context

Huh, proof? They have been in power for a hundred years, how it that for a proof?

Are you serious in a country of 150 million it certainly doesnt contradict itself to say that the MAJORITY ( more than a half, but yeah actually, much more) are people that admire or tolerate Putin, that leaves space "for many good people" , they dont have a voice unfortunately and never will.

Your impassionate defense of Russia really suprises me, it is incredibly tone deaf, as an Eastern european that knows the direct effects of Russian occupation, I must say you are doing very poorly. I dont know why you keep repeating that weird word/phrase "HighHorseLand" like wtf, where Im from is pretty clearly in the description, I somewhat trust your reading skills.

Oh context? There is none, just isnt, Russia putting away less people than the states or Cuba or whoever doesnt have to do anything with corruption nor Britney Grinners situation.

[NBA Sheady]

The only thing more disgusting than her sentence is some of the reactions here.