OT Brittney Griner Sentenced for 9 years

[Nate505]

I have read a huge amount of truly disgusting posts in this thread, so much so that I will forever remember the usernames of those who wrote them and I will be swayed by their revolting words here when judging any future contribution they make. In other words: now I have an axe to grind against those people because I can't see them as decent human beings.

So what. If you're that insular in life, good luck living thru it.

[MrBigShot]

It’s funny how people think that other countries should adopt our laws. Why?

...common sense? How about, try to rationalize why carrying weed should be a crime and why it should be a 9 year jail sentence. Alcohol is more dangerous both acutely and long-term and it's legal. Cigarettes are basically just legal slow acting poison. Does carrying weed harm anyone? Steve kerr literally uses it for back pain. A lot of celebrities have medicinal prescriptions for it before it was legalized in some states.

She broke a law so she should be punished, but why is controversial to call out a law in a country run by a dangerous luantic who sent young men to die in a conflict they don't necessarily agree with.

[SNPA]

You'd think Asia is a laugh riot then. The whole continent is full of drug war dinosaurs, and their government and many citizens seem pretty proud of that fact.

And?

Lots of people hold stupid ideas around this subject. That isn’t new or news. It doesn’t make their views any less stupid. Putting anyone in a cage over weed was originally, and continues to be, a ******* moronic idea.

I agree. But it's not just a bunch of idiots here who love the drug war. It's beloved by a substantial portion of the world's population and governments. It's not much of a shock that this forum would have some of the same opinions.

Unfortunately for Griner, she went to a country that holds that opinion.

People with access to information and the freedom to speak should know better and act better. They don’t have an excuse for their stupidity on the subject. They are either willfully ignorant or fascist or -as is often the case- both.

[Nate505]

And?

Lots of people hold stupid ideas around this subject. That isn’t new or news. It doesn’t make their views any less stupid. Putting anyone in a cage over weed was originally, and continues to be, a ******* moronic idea.

I agree. But it's not just a bunch of idiots here who love the drug war. It's beloved by a substantial portion of the world's population and governments. It's not much of a shock that this forum would have some of the same opinions.

Unfortunately for Griner, she went to a country that holds that opinion.

People with access to information and the freedom to speak should know better and act better. They don’t have an excuse for their stupidity in the subject. They are either willfully ignorant or fascist or -as is often the case- both.

So that's what it is? People who hold those positions are just a bunch of rubes who either won't learn or will get punished for speaking out? And anyone who believes the drug war is a good thing is just a fascist? Ok, whatever makes you feel better.

I mean you may hate to see the truth, but many people believe in harsh punishments for the "betterment" of society. I don't, I think it's stupid, but those who disagree aren't just a bunch of fascist yokels. They honestly believe their position produces a better society.

[Salieri]

Yeah there should be no "but this is this way" blah blah. They have one of our own and she is being treated like a damn animal.

Every American should be beyond furious over this ridiculous harsh sentence. This is a case where you let your emotions over rule whatever beyond idiotic nonsense Russia is running over there.

Me and Griner would probably argue all day over different political opinions but at the end of the day you should show sympathy over another human and do nothing but call this what it is and that pure cruel BS.

Why? I care about what happens to Griner the exact same amount as I do a starving orphan in Calcutta or a street person in Toronto or a senior citizen in Kiev or a fisherman in Tonga.

Actually probably less as she had significant opportunities living in a country she later demeaned and insulted. I don’t care if she’s back tomorrow or they keep her forever.

Well thats unfortunate you're trying to find reasons not to give a ****

For all the sh*t I give you on a regular basis, I gotta applaud your position and your contributions to this thread. If I'm always quick to refute your points, to argue with you and even ridicule you when I deem it appropriate, I have to tip my hat when I see you firmly planted on the side of empathy, compassion and decency, political opinions notwithstanding. What's fair is fair.

I don't know if this post will backfire and will make you rethink your stance, given that you hate my guts. But I had to call it like I see it. You just proved being a decent human being comes before politics for you.

I have read a huge amount of truly disgusting posts in this thread, so much so that I will forever remember the usernames of those who wrote them and I will be swayed by their revolting words here when judging any future contribution they make. In other words: now I have an axe to grind against those people because I can't see them as decent human beings.

So what. If you're that insular in life, good luck living thru it.

I was making a point and that was half my exposition, but feel free to jump in and miss the point.

[SNPA]

I agree. But it's not just a bunch of idiots here who love the drug war. It's beloved by a substantial portion of the world's population and governments. It's not much of a shock that this forum would have some of the same opinions.

Unfortunately for Griner, she went to a country that holds that opinion.

People with access to information and the freedom to speak should know better and act better. They don’t have an excuse for their stupidity in the subject. They are either willfully ignorant or fascist or -as is often the case- both.

So that's what it is? People who hold those positions are just a bunch of rubes who either won't learn or will get punished for speaking out? And anyone who believes the drug war is a good thing is just a fascist? Ok, whatever makes you feel better.

Yes. That is it. Clear as day.

[Nate505]

People with access to information and the freedom to speak should know better and act better. They don’t have an excuse for their stupidity in the subject. They are either willfully ignorant or fascist or -as is often the case- both.

So that's what it is? People who hold those positions are just a bunch of rubes who either won't learn or will get punished for speaking out? And anyone who believes the drug war is a good thing is just a fascist? Ok, whatever makes you feel better.

Yes. That is it. Clear as day.

Fine, enjoy your stance there.

[bisme37]

9 years is too long for a non-violent drug offense. You'd all feel the same if it was you or someone you loved.

She broke the law of the country she was in and pled guilty and should serve some kind of punishment. But 9 years is outrageous.

As far as her previous criticism of the United States, we don't punish people here for exercising their 1st amendment rights, even when we don't like or agree with it. That's not the American way. She is a tax paying American citizen and the government should work to bring her home before she loses a decade of her life because of a vape cartridge.

This thread is a trip.

[SNPA]

So that's what it is? People who hold those positions are just a bunch of rubes who either won't learn or will get punished for speaking out? And anyone who believes the drug war is a good thing is just a fascist? Ok, whatever makes you feel better.

Yes. That is it. Clear as day.

Fine, enjoy your stance there.

Wish I was wrong. But I’m not.

The war on drugs has produced a clearcut winner…drugs. It also has clearcut losers…societies that wage it and the people. See Portugal for evidence. None of this is a secret or debatable anymore. These dinosaurs might as well be barking against evolution too…or any other established fact.

[Infinite Llamas]

Hope some of y’all turn yourselves in when you do 66 in a 60 zone based on some of the responses here lol

[MotownMadness]

Why? I care about what happens to Griner the exact same amount as I do a starving orphan in Calcutta or a street person in Toronto or a senior citizen in Kiev or a fisherman in Tonga.

Actually probably less as she had significant opportunities living in a country she later demeaned and insulted. I don’t care if she’s back tomorrow or they keep her forever.

Well thats unfortunate you're trying to find reasons not to give a ****

For all the sh*t I give you on a regular basis, I gotta applaud your position and your contributions to this thread. If I'm always quick to refute your points, to argue with you and even ridicule you when I deem it appropriate, I have to tip my hat when I see you firmly planted on the side of empathy, compassion and decency, political opinions notwithstanding. What's fair is fair.

I don't know if this post will backfire and will make you rethink your stance, given that you hate my guts. But I had to call it like I see it. You just proved being a decent human being comes before politics for you.

I have read a huge amount of truly disgusting posts in this thread, so much so that I will forever remember the usernames of those who wrote them and I will be swayed by their revolting words here when judging any future contribution they make. In other words: now I have an axe to grind against those people because I can't see them as decent human beings.

So what. If you're that insular in life, good luck living thru it.

I was making a point and that was half my exposition, but feel free to jump in and miss the point.

You're fine, it wont be the last time we argue over things im sure. Politics is one thing but stripping a human of their life over something this insane is something I'll never be ok about or give any Country a "well thats just how it is" kinda break.

[Cowology]

Yeah, I don't have any real problem with somebody being held accountable for breaking a law, but 9 yrs is absurd and clear political theater. Hopefully we're still able to secure her release via diplomatic means.

[vital_signs]

Hope some of y’all turn yourselves in when you do 66 in a 60 zone based on some of the responses here lol

As someone with a recent speeding ticket for 12 over, this hits the ol' heart. Fn big brother and their Colorado sanctioned speed cameras.

On that note, they got me so I'll pay - even though i dont have to until physically served, but if they serve me it'l ~double so I'll just pay it.

We all break laws, every single one of us. When you get caught though, the difference is whether or not you can admit you f'd up or not (regardless of your views on said law).

[maradro]

I share griners criticism of the US and am also a recreational drug user, thus i wholeheartedly agree this is a ridiculous sentence

That said, the posts singling out Russia are just as ridiculous. The us is the biggest force behind the global war on drugs for decades, pressuring govts to follow their lead. Hell Singapore has executed 5 people in the last 4 months for smuggling weed, but they are allies of the US and no basketball players are involved so no one here has anything to say about it.

Even the posts about weapons dealing are ridiculous, you people know where most weapons are made right? Oliver north ring a bell?? Operation Fast and furious?? Like someone else said, both Russia and the USA have terrible laws and track records on human rights, there are many other countries who do a much better job in terms of freedom, democracy, human rights, etc but Americans insist on pretending they are the only ones who hold these values, it's so delusional tbh

[magee]

She brought an illegal drug over international borders. Conjecture to say it wasn't the first time. Regardless of the case and whether I agree with it or not (definitely think it's horses*), she's at the whim of said country's laws in regards to illegal drug possession. Not much more to it.

[Invictus88]

Hope some of y’all turn yourselves in when you do 66 in a 60 zone based on some of the responses here lol

As someone with a recent speeding ticket for 12 over, this hits the ol' heart. Fn big brother and their Colorado sanctioned speed cameras.

On that note, they got me so I'll pay - even though i dont have to until physically served, but if they serve me it'l ~double so I'll just pay it.

We all break laws, every single one of us. When you get caught though, the difference is whether or not you can admit you f'd up or not (regardless of your views on said law).

I don't know if somehow this evolved from prior discussion but this post specifically has absolutely no relevance to the Griner situation.

Paying a fine sucks but if someone were to come to you and throw you into jail for 9 years because you went 12 over I don't think you'd shrug it off.

I think everyone here agrees that Griner was at fault for bringing in the cartridges. However, some are trying to whitewash the exorbitant sentencing with that fact instead of acknowledging the obvious that it's a grossly unfair length for the crime and politically motivated.

[Franco]

9 years is too long for a non-violent drug offense. You'd all feel the same if it was you or someone you loved.

She broke the law of the country she was in and pled guilty and should serve some kind of punishment. But 9 years is outrageous.

This is probably the best way to describe what I felt when I read the news. She did something incredibly stupid, but "something incredibly stupid" and as harmless as a damn vape shouldn't net you a damn decade behind bars and having your freedom revoked. Talk about cutting off a boy's arm for putting his finger in the fan.

[Franco]

Double post

[vital_signs]

Hope some of y’all turn yourselves in when you do 66 in a 60 zone based on some of the responses here lol

As someone with a recent speeding ticket for 12 over, this hits the ol' heart. Fn big brother and their Colorado sanctioned speed cameras.

On that note, they got me so I'll pay - even though i dont have to until physically served, but if they serve me it'l ~double so I'll just pay it.

We all break laws, every single one of us. When you get caught though, the difference is whether or not you can admit you f'd up or not (regardless of your views on said law).

I don't know if somehow this evolved from prior discussion but this post specifically has absolutely no relevance to the Griner situation.

Paying a fine sucks but if someone were to come to you and throw you into jail for 9 years because you went 12 over I don't think you'd shrug it off.

I think everyone here agrees that Griner was at fault for bringing in the cartridges. However, some are trying to whitewash the exorbitant sentencing with that fact instead of acknowledging the obvious that it's a grossly unfair length for the crime and politically motivated.

If you read the entire thread your questions would be answered

[Nate505]

Hope some of y’all turn yourselves in when you do 66 in a 60 zone based on some of the responses here lol

As someone with a recent speeding ticket for 12 over, this hits the ol' heart. Fn big brother and their Colorado sanctioned speed cameras.

On that note, they got me so I'll pay - even though i dont have to until physically served, but if they serve me it'l ~double so I'll just pay it.

We all break laws, every single one of us. When you get caught though, the difference is whether or not you can admit you f'd up or not (regardless of your views on said law).

I don't know if somehow this evolved from prior discussion but this post specifically has absolutely no relevance to the Griner situation.

Paying a fine sucks but if someone were to come to you and throw you into jail for 9 years because you went 12 over I don't think you'd shrug it off.

I think everyone here agrees that Griner was at fault for bringing in the cartridges. However, some are trying to whitewash the exorbitant sentencing with that fact instead of acknowledging the obvious that it's a grossly unfair length for the crime and politically motivated.

If the penalty for speeding were 9 years in prison, people here would riot up and end it. And because of that fact, it would never get to that point.

I don't see many Russians rioting up to get rid of 9 years in prison for a thc filled vape pen. Everyone can make all sorts of excuses for why that's the case, but I'll go with the simple one. Most people there agree with the law, or are at the very least indifferent towards it.