Pelton: Western Conference offseason grades

Post #1 » by **zimpy27** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 4:36 am

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34336524/nba-offseason-grades-where-los-angeles-lakers-golden-state-warriors-every-west-team-check-in

Do you agree with the grades?

Blame Rasho · Post #2 » by **Blame Rasho** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 4:38 am

Awesome job with link that you need to pay to see…

Alonzo_Morning · Post #3 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 4:50 am

Do you assume majority of posters are EPSN Insiders?

Hint: They aren't

NyKnicks1714 · Post #4 » by **NyKnicks1714** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 4:51 am

https://archive.ph/LD0O4

Colbinii · Post #5 » by **Colbinii** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 4:54 am

Weird grades.

Post #6 » by **zimpy27** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 5:10 am

Blame Rasho wrote:Awesome job with link that you need to pay to see…

Hmm, it's free for me

Ruma85 · Post #7 » by **Ruma85** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 5:20 am

zimpy27 wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:Awesome job with link that you need to pay to see…

Hmm, it's free for me

Same.

xdrta+ · Post #8 » by **xdrta+** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 5:20 am

NyKnicks1714 wrote:https://archive.ph/LD0O4

Cool, thanks.

Ruma85 · Post #9 » by **Ruma85** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 5:30 am

Colbinii wrote:Weird grades.

Agreed.

Post #10 » by **zimpy27** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 5:33 am

I think Mavs are getting really underrated. They lost Brunson but that means they can throw out really big lineups only. They brought in Wood to steer in to that direction.

Doncic, Bullock, DFS, Wood, McGee -- Dinwiddie, THJ, Green, Kleber, Powell

Village Idiot · Post #11 » by **Village Idiot** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 8:52 am

Mostly good but I'd change:

Dallas: C instead of D. IF they can unlock Woods

Golden State: C- instead of B+. Not seeing how losing GP2 and Porter is offset with the guys they got

Clippers: C instead of B+. I don't think Wall is nearly as valuable as Hartenstein was

Lakers: F instead of B+. They fired the coach who won them a championship, replaced him with a rookie coach and did nothing to address the underlying issues as Westbrook is still on the team and Anthony Davis doesn't seem that interested in basketball. They did nothing to add outside shooting and in fact got worse in that regard

Post #12 » by **boomershadow** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 10:34 am

Ruma85 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:Awesome job with link that you need to pay to see…

Hmm, it's free for me

Same.

Not here.

rtiff68 · Post #13 » by **rtiff68** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 2:21 pm

It seems like he gave almost everyone close to the same grade. lol.

He should’ve just ditched the vanilla grades and called the piece “Western Conference Offseason Summary.”

PeteyPablo · Post #14 » by **PeteyPablo** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 4:12 pm

Village Idiot wrote:Mostly good but I'd change:

Dallas: C instead of D. IF they can unlock Woods
From my eye test during the playoffs , Dallas struggle was defending the Warriors. But that is also a struggle for most teams.

Golden State: C- instead of B+. Not seeing how losing GP2 and Porter is offset with the guys they got
Over the years they seem to plug people in and make things work . Maybe more G league guys in their future ?

[b]Clippers: C instead of B+. I don't think Wall is nearly as valuable as Hartenstein was[/b]
Clippers best moves were resigning their own free agents such as : Roger Covington , Nic Batum , Ivica Zubac , Amir Coffee and THEN the addition of John Wall who is not being picked up to be a franchise player. He will just be a point guard out there, playing defense and racking up assists. Sure there will be open shots that he will have to take. But will be a 3rd or 4th option on offense.

Lakers: F instead of B+. They fired the coach who won them a championship, replaced him with a rookie coach and did nothing to address the underlying issues as Westbrook is still on the team and Anthony Davis doesn't seem that interested in basketball. They did nothing to add outside shooting and in fact got worse in that regard

Non Laker fans can not deny the bubble chip. They won but have fallen off a cliff ever since. Injuries have something to do with that but we will have to let the season unfold.

dirkforpres · Post #15 » by **dirkforpres** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 4:20 pm

I think a D grade is harsh for the Mavs.

I think a C is a little more fair. Wood and McGee are both upgrades over what they had last year, but I can’t believe they haven’t spent a single dime on guards this summer.

Heaven help us if they expect Josh Green, Tim Hardaway, or Frank Ntilikina to replace Jalen Brunson

sp6r=underrated · Post #16 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 4:27 pm

Colbinii wrote:Weird grades.

I'm grossed out by the only A going to a team that has decided to lose a ton of basketball games for the next 2-3 years while waiting for lottery balls to bounce their way. 2 of the 4 B+ also went to teams that have given up on winning for the next few years.

The NBA's CBA that underpays rookies/superstars has terrible consequences for fans. It encourages teams to lose.

Colbinii · Post #17 » by **Colbinii** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 4:29 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:
Colbinii wrote:Weird grades.

I'm grossed out by the only A going to a team that has decided to lose a ton of basketball games for the next 2-3 years while waiting for lottery balls to bounce their way.

And they still have Mitchell.

Whats the plan, hope one of the lottery balls is as good as Rudy Gobert in 5-10 years?

sp6r=underrated · Post #18 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 4:34 pm

Colbinii wrote:
sp6r=underrated wrote:
Colbinii wrote:Weird grades.

I'm grossed out by the only A going to a team that has decided to lose a ton of basketball games for the next 2-3 years while waiting for lottery balls to bounce their way.

And they still have Mitchell.

Whats the plan, hope one of the lottery balls is as good as Rudy Gobert in 5-10 years?

"There's still plenty of work for the Jazz." seems to mean Pelton's hoping and expecting Ainge will ship Mitchell out soon.

A lot of NBA experts and realgm posters dream of an NBA were half the NBA goes 70-12 and the other half goes 12-70. With franchise filling both roles every decade.

Gert42 · Post #19 » by **Gert42** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 6:12 pm

Colbinii wrote:
sp6r=underrated wrote:
Colbinii wrote:Weird grades.

I'm grossed out by the only A going to a team that has decided to lose a ton of basketball games for the next 2-3 years while waiting for lottery balls to bounce their way.

And they still have Mitchell.

Whats the plan, hope one of the lottery balls is as good as Rudy Gobert in 5-10 years?

Agree with the first point. The Jazz cannot be an "A" until they trade Mitchell.

As far as the second point, it was probably too good of a deal to pass up to trade Gobert. Your comment is why I think it was a good trade for the Timberwolves. I think for the Jazz, between the age of the veterans besides Mitchell, and the lack of under 25 assets, they needed to hit the reset button. The chance of getting a guy in the next two years in the draft better than Gobert is probably 25% or less, but in this situation I think they just have to move in that direction.

whatisacenter · Post #20 » by **whatisacenter** » Fri Aug 5, 2022 6:37 pm

Gert42 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
sp6r=underrated wrote:
I'm grossed out by the only A going to a team that has decided to lose a ton of basketball games for the next 2-3 years while waiting for lottery balls to bounce their way.

And they still have Mitchell.

Whats the plan, hope one of the lottery balls is as good as Rudy Gobert in 5-10 years?

Agree with the first point. The Jazz cannot be an "A" until they trade Mitchell.

Danny Ainge got such a ridiculous haul from the TWolves for Gobert that he can sit back and wait for some other team to pony up the assets required in this overinflated trade market for Mitchell. If he had received that pick package for Mitchell AND Gobert it wouldn't have been that bad of a deal.