[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[Fra Diavolo]

So wiretap saying we arent even offering one 1st? I highly doubt that

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267971/Lakers-Nets-Russell-Westbrook-For-Kyrie-Irving-Trade-Talks-Havent-Progressed-Recently

Rather, it's that LAL is offering the Nets only 1 first-round pick, and BKN wants 2.

[Kilroy]

So wiretap saying we arent even offering one 1st? I highly doubt that

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267971/Lakers-Nets-Russell-Westbrook-For-Kyrie-Irving-Trade-Talks-Havent-Progressed-Recently

Translation: The deal is getting done this weekend and multiple draft picks are involved...

[John Murdoch]

So wiretap saying we arent even offering one 1st? I highly doubt that

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267971/Lakers-Nets-Russell-Westbrook-For-Kyrie-Irving-Trade-Talks-Havent-Progressed-Recently

Translation: The deal is getting done this weekend and multiple draft picks are involved...

Depends if the Spurs are involved or not

[John Murdoch]

Following up the Mcmeniman report

[John Murdoch]

▪️ There is "a lot of pessimism" on a Kevin Durant deal getting done in the near future

▪️ Kyrie Irving is "in a good place and comfortable" with the Nets right now

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Pelinka...plan B ...do it now

[Bolts]

Following up the Mcmeniman report

Ah yes. One of the yearly “Lakers get the best players and everyone else gets crap” trade ideas. True, LeBron has never been able to develop a team around him to be successful and needs the help but it’s time for the league to quit gifting his teams good players for bad players and bad draft choices.

[triple_threat]

Following up the Mcmeniman report

Ah yes. One of the yearly “Lakers get the best players and everyone else gets crap” trade ideas. True, LeBron has never been able to develop a team around him to be successful and needs the help but it’s time for the league to quit gifting his teams good players for bad players and bad draft choices.

Ah no. Not another blind lakers and/or lebron hate post.

Step into Indiana’s shoes for example. Indiana has shown they aren’t going anywhere in the near future. In this situation the best thing to do is trust the process, and acquire picks and cap space and get rid of ppl that might mess with the tank, and that’s only from basketball perspective. While I’m not sure of the exact financial ramifications of the trade from a business point of view, any sort of rebuild effort will save $ in salary cap in the next few years or enable flexibility to sign a big fish.

But business aside, The trade scenario above clears almost 30 million in cap space for 2023/2024. It provides a first draft pick for lakers which coukd be anyones guess as to what range it will be in but it Has upside. They give up 2 guys in McConnell and hield who will turn 31 and 30 and, again, are taking the pacers nowhere. McConnell obviously has value to a contender imo but to Indiana he doesn’t **** their timeline.

Don’t get me wrong, I respect competitive bball and culture but in this scenario why not clear up cap space to position yourself as a free agent player and get a first round pick for a couple of aging guys that will mess with your 2023 draft,?? Westbrook should get bought out in this scenario.

It makes all the sense in the world for Indiana for the above reasons and is undoubtedly a net positive trade. Not to say they shouldn’t shop that pair around to see if there’s a better deal, but the lakers one would be good for the pacers franchise and just because it helps the lakers too that doesn’t change that.

By the way, the type of trade scenarios you refer to happen closer to daily than “yearly,” but please open up your eyes and realize the one posted above isn’t that.

[Yeggo Poleggo]

Its crazy how good the Pacers are going to be 3-4 years from now.

[Slava]

▪️ There is "a lot of pessimism" on a Kevin Durant deal getting done in the near future

▪️ Kyrie Irving is "in a good place and comfortable" with the Nets right now

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Pelinka...plan B ...do it now

Anyone who believes the Nets are comfortable being in any place with Kyrie, let alone a good one is being fed a kool aid right out of Sean Marks' garage.

[JN61]

Following up the Mcmeniman report

Might want to add Durant to lakers into that deal to sweeten the deal for Nets...
While we are at it add Nun into the deal for Tubby Williamson.

[rtiff68]

Following up the Mcmeniman report

Might want to add Durant to lakers into that deal to sweeten the deal for Nets...
While we are at it add Nun into the deal for Tubby Williamson.

What exactly do you think Kyrie is worth right now on the trade market?

To be clear: I actually think the best move for the Nets at this point would simply be to run it back. They aren’t getting a Gobert haul for year-15, post-achilles KD, and you would think Kyrie and Simmons would be motivated this year. If things break right, they could contend.

That said, if they’re going to move Kyrie, that’s about as good of a return that they could reasonably expect at this point.

[TheHartBreakKid]

As I've said before, the Nets have no reason to take a poor Laker offer right now. Hell, even if they reject a 2 1st rounder trade right now, I would think that they would be reasonable in doing so, and I say this as a laker fan. Trading Kyrie before the KD situation is resolved makes little sense for the nets.

Just as the Nets should/could be patient right now, the Lakers could/should be patient as well. Don't get me wrong, I'll jumping from joy if the Nets somehow take a single 1st rounder and Russ right tomorrow. But I think adding another 1st or even a couple of seconds is the wrong move.

Russ and Lebron aren't plotting eachother's murders as most may think. There is no way Russ chooses to sit out when his value is this low, in a contract year and despite his flaws. Ham can/will sit him if he's being a huge negative on the court. We'll see a smarter Westbrook this year. I know that's not saying much, and he'll still be in the 99th percentile of stupid.
The Lakers still have Lebron and AD. Even with some expected injuries, it's not this huge impossible challenge for the Lakers to stay in the playoff picture until the playoff picture. Who knows, maybe Russ upgrades his trade value from huge expiring contract, to huge expiring contract and elite tank commander for some team looking to dump salary. It's also important to note that most of his salary would be paid by the Lakers at this point.

If the likely scenario happens and KD doesn't retract his trade request and/or is moved by then, do you really think the Nets would have a better offer on the table than RW and a 1st. Also, do you really think in that scenario the Nets would say no to this trade out of spite?

The lakers with Kyrie/Lebron/AD and nothing else are probably a second exit. The Lakers with that core and additional piece that can be aquired using the other 1st rounder could actually make some noise. It's risky, but If I'm the Lakers, I'm taking that risk. The Lakers have a 2 year window to win a title somehow, not make a week playoff run. Considering how far away from a title they are right now, you HAVE to take some risks and need to maximize your limited assets order to get there.

[Ruma85]

As I've said before, the Nets have no reason to take a poor Laker offer right now. Hell, even if they reject a 2 1st rounder trade right now, I would think that they would be reasonable in doing so, and I say this as a laker fan. Trading Kyrie before the KD situation is resolved makes little sense for the nets.

Just as the Nets should/could be patient right now, the Lakers could/should be patient as well. Don't get me wrong, I'll jumping from joy if the Nets somehow take a single 1st rounder and Russ right tomorrow. But I think adding another 1st or even a couple of seconds is the wrong move.

Russ and Lebron aren't plotting eachother's murders as most may think. There is no way Russ chooses to sit out when his value is this low, in a contract year and despite his flaws. Ham can/will sit him if he's being a huge negative on the court. We'll see a smarter Westbrook this year. I know that's not saying much, and he'll still be in the 99th percentile of stupid.
The Lakers still have Lebron and AD. Even with some expected injuries, it's not this huge impossible challenge for the Lakers to stay in the playoff picture until the playoff picture. Who knows, maybe Russ upgrades his trade value from huge expiring contract, to huge expiring contract and elite tank commander for some team looking to dump salary. It's also important to note that most of his salary would be paid by the Lakers at this point.

If the likely scenario happens and KD doesn't retract his trade request and/or is moved by then, do you really think the Nets would have a better offer on the table than RW and a 1st. Also, do you really think in that scenario the Nets would say no to this trade out of spite?

The lakers with Kyrie/Lebron/AD and nothing else are probably a second exit. The Lakers with that core and additional piece that can be aquired using the other 1st rounder could actually make some noise. It's risky, but If I'm the Lakers, I'm taking that risk. The Lakers have a 2 year window to win a title somehow, not make a week playoff run. Considering how far away from a title they are right now, you HAVE to take some risks and need to maximize your limited assets order to get there.

As much i want my lakers to win a title, I have a hard time envisioning them winning one in the next 2 years, First ad needs to led them not lebron as he needs to focus his energy in other areas also save some for the playoffs, I’m not as the majority of people that think it cannot work with westbrook, last season is over blown and for some reason it’s all blamed on russell like his playing a sport like tennis where one person control’s his destiny. Should russell shoot less, Yes but he also needs to shoot refusing to do so is not helping the team, I think we will be in the playoffs the biggest question is how fast can this team gel to succed at making a run.

[Kilroy]

▪️ There is "a lot of pessimism" on a Kevin Durant deal getting done in the near future

▪️ Kyrie Irving is "in a good place and comfortable" with the Nets right now

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Pelinka...plan B ...do it now

Anyone who believes the Nets are comfortable being in any place with Kyrie, let alone a good one is being fed a kool aid right out of Sean Marks' garage.

This... "A good place" could simply mean they both understand each other... The Nets understand it's in their best interests to get away from Kyrie, and Kyrie understands they're going to exhaust all options on KD first, understanding, that the Lakers deal will always be there for the taking...

I think it stretches credulity to say that Kyrie and the Nets are excited about another season together... Neither of them want that...

That said, it also would seem to indicate there aren't a whole lot of landing spots for Kyrie... Like maybe only one.

[SK21209]

If KD is traded before the season, Kyrie will be on the Lakers' opening night roster. If Durant is not traded before the season, Kyrie will be on the Nets' opening night roster. After weeks of leaks and leverage plays I think its still, and has always been, that simple. The reporting seems to indicate Durant still does want a trade, so it will come down to how far he's willing to go to make that happen. The Nets are doing a good job of dragging this out, making timely leaks (the Jaylen Brown thing) to give the appearance they're still working on this in some capacity, and banking on Durant's fickleness and unwillingness to pull Jimmy Butler or Ben Simmons-esque antics to force his way out.

[John Murdoch]

Following up the Mcmeniman report

Ah yes. One of the yearly “Lakers get the best players and everyone else gets crap” trade ideas. True, LeBron has never been able to develop a team around him to be successful and needs the help but it’s time for the league to quit gifting his teams good players for bad players and bad draft choices.

Ah no. Not another blind lakers and/or lebron hate post.

Step into Indiana’s shoes for example. Indiana has shown they aren’t going anywhere in the near future. In this situation the best thing to do is trust the process, and acquire picks and cap space and get rid of ppl that might mess with the tank, and that’s only from basketball perspective. While I’m not sure of the exact financial ramifications of the trade from a business point of view, any sort of rebuild effort will save $ in salary cap in the next few years or enable flexibility to sign a big fish.

But business aside, The trade scenario above clears almost 30 million in cap space for 2023/2024. It provides a first draft pick for lakers which coukd be anyones guess as to what range it will be in but it Has upside. They give up 2 guys in McConnell and hield who will turn 31 and 30 and, again, are taking the pacers nowhere. McConnell obviously has value to a contender imo but to Indiana he doesn’t **** their timeline.

Don’t get me wrong, I respect competitive bball and culture but in this scenario why not clear up cap space to position yourself as a free agent player and get a first round pick for a couple of aging guys that will mess with your 2023 draft,?? Westbrook should get bought out in this scenario.

It makes all the sense in the world for Indiana for the above reasons and is undoubtedly a net positive trade. Not to say they shouldn’t shop that pair around to see if there’s a better deal, but the lakers one would be good for the pacers franchise and just because it helps the lakers too that doesn’t change that.

By the way, the type of trade scenarios you refer to happen closer to daily than “yearly,” but please open up your eyes and realize the one posted above isn’t that.

Dont bother bro , haters out in full force. Clearing massive salary and moving bad deals + adding FRP's is apparantley " everyone else gets crap"

[Not2BeBothered]

If KD is traded before the season, Kyrie will be on the Lakers' opening night roster. If Durant is not traded before the season, Kyrie will be on the Nets' opening night roster. After weeks of leaks and leverage plays I think its still, and has always been, that simple. The reporting seems to indicate Durant still does want a trade, so it will come down to how far he's willing to go to make that happen. The Nets are doing a good job of dragging this out, making timely leaks (the Jaylen Brown thing) to give the appearance they're still working on this in some capacity, and banking on Durant's fickleness and unwillingness to pull Jimmy Butler or Ben Simmons-esque antics to force his way out.

Nets trading for Westbrook doesn’t make sense from a competitive standpoint, a tactical standpoint, a financial standpoint, nor does it do anything for Marks and Nash’s respective careers. The Nets have such a high salary and the fact that they’re repeat tax offenders, them adding 12 mil in salary would be a reason to be terminated. They would be paying an additional 20+ million in taxes for a player they would wind up buying out or trying to play along side Simmons, in a bad fit. The fact that the Lakers are dangling a pick 5 years from now is ridiculous. If the Nets dislike Kyrie that badly and want him off the team, they would be better of waiving him or buying him out. And thats a big “if”, but because Marks didn’t sign an extension and mishandled the whole Kyrie/KD era, him moving Kyrie for nothing or even paying all that money to get rid of him would result in him losing his job. Marks and Nash only options is to go all in and try and make KD rescind his trade request. Since the Nets finally started posting about Kyrie again on their official social medias, I would assume that Kyrie being in a good place means he’ll most likely be a Net come opening night. In the off chance that he’s not I think there are 2 three team trades that work.



Nets receive Nunn and Myles Turner
Pacers receive Westbrook and a lakers 1st
Lakers receive Kyrie


Or


Nets receive Nunn and Poetl or Josh Richardson
Spurs receive Westbrook and a 1st
Lakers receive Kyrie

[ChaseDown]

Ah yes. One of the yearly “Lakers get the best players and everyone else gets crap” trade ideas. True, LeBron has never been able to develop a team around him to be successful and needs the help but it’s time for the league to quit gifting his teams good players for bad players and bad draft choices.

Ah no. Not another blind lakers and/or lebron hate post.

Step into Indiana’s shoes for example. Indiana has shown they aren’t going anywhere in the near future. In this situation the best thing to do is trust the process, and acquire picks and cap space and get rid of ppl that might mess with the tank, and that’s only from basketball perspective. While I’m not sure of the exact financial ramifications of the trade from a business point of view, any sort of rebuild effort will save $ in salary cap in the next few years or enable flexibility to sign a big fish.

But business aside, The trade scenario above clears almost 30 million in cap space for 2023/2024. It provides a first draft pick for lakers which coukd be anyones guess as to what range it will be in but it Has upside. They give up 2 guys in McConnell and hield who will turn 31 and 30 and, again, are taking the pacers nowhere. McConnell obviously has value to a contender imo but to Indiana he doesn’t **** their timeline.

Don’t get me wrong, I respect competitive bball and culture but in this scenario why not clear up cap space to position yourself as a free agent player and get a first round pick for a couple of aging guys that will mess with your 2023 draft,?? Westbrook should get bought out in this scenario.

It makes all the sense in the world for Indiana for the above reasons and is undoubtedly a net positive trade. Not to say they shouldn’t shop that pair around to see if there’s a better deal, but the lakers one would be good for the pacers franchise and just because it helps the lakers too that doesn’t change that.

By the way, the type of trade scenarios you refer to happen closer to daily than “yearly,” but please open up your eyes and realize the one posted above isn’t that.

Dont bother bro , haters out in full force. Clearing massive salary and moving bad deals + adding FRP's is apparantley " everyone else gets crap"

That trade seems to be fair to me. I don’t see the issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if more picks get involved

Edit: as a matter of fact, I think the Nets even get the best package out of everyone IF they run it back with KD.

[John Murdoch]

I guess this isnt dead now...Rob hang in there ..dont blow ur wad on scraps

[BostonCouchGM]

Following up the Mcmeniman report

Ah yes. One of the yearly “Lakers get the best players and everyone else gets crap” trade ideas. True, LeBron has never been able to develop a team around him to be successful and needs the help but it’s time for the league to quit gifting his teams good players for bad players and bad draft choices.

Ah no. Not another blind lakers and/or lebron hate post.

Step into Indiana’s shoes for example. Indiana has shown they aren’t going anywhere in the near future. In this situation the best thing to do is trust the process, and acquire picks and cap space and get rid of ppl that might mess with the tank, and that’s only from basketball perspective. While I’m not sure of the exact financial ramifications of the trade from a business point of view, any sort of rebuild effort will save $ in salary cap in the next few years or enable flexibility to sign a big fish.

But business aside, The trade scenario above clears almost 30 million in cap space for 2023/2024. It provides a first draft pick for lakers which coukd be anyones guess as to what range it will be in but it Has upside. They give up 2 guys in McConnell and hield who will turn 31 and 30 and, again, are taking the pacers nowhere. McConnell obviously has value to a contender imo but to Indiana he doesn’t **** their timeline.

Don’t get me wrong, I respect competitive bball and culture but in this scenario why not clear up cap space to position yourself as a free agent player and get a first round pick for a couple of aging guys that will mess with your 2023 draft,?? Westbrook should get bought out in this scenario.

It makes all the sense in the world for Indiana for the above reasons and is undoubtedly a net positive trade. Not to say they shouldn’t shop that pair around to see if there’s a better deal, but the lakers one would be good for the pacers franchise and just because it helps the lakers too that doesn’t change that.

By the way, the type of trade scenarios you refer to happen closer to daily than “yearly,” but please open up your eyes and realize the one posted above isn’t that.

except the Pacers should NOT be trying to tank since they have good young talent and very solid depth. They're a borderline playoff team if they run it back. For a small market team that's all you can ask for.