Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[PhillyNj]

I imagine Harden is going to get at least a 4-140 deal at this point.

So... it's gonna be a real tight squeeze under the apron, which they have triggered using the full MLE on Tucker, if this Tobias guy is still here.

Wow where you wrong.

[the_process]

I imagine Harden is going to get at least a 4-140 deal at this point.

So... it's gonna be a real tight squeeze under the apron, which they have triggered using the full MLE on Tucker, if this Tobias guy is still here.

Wow where you wrong.

Yep. Didn’t see the Rubin funded two year deal to duck the repeater tax and wait for Tobias to expire bridge contract coming.

Also hysterical considering the source.

[76ciology]

Just got back from vacation, so im quite bored..

My plan for Tobias.

I’d say from this point to next offseason, Tobias’ trade value will fluctuate.

And at this point to next offseason, Tobias’ trade value is going to go up.

These are for three reasons:
- strong 2022 playoff performance
- new role leads to more energy for him on defense and more efficiency on offense
- his contract ages like fine wine from this point

For now, best move is to hold unto Tobias and play a wait and see approach.

If Tobias continues to build on his strong play in the playoffs, maybe he can play a big part for our championship run.

If its not good enough, then I’d look to trade him going to this trade deadline.

Personally, Im optimistic that he’ll play better next offseason.

First, we saw how our situation now does not require him to do too much on offense and it leads to a better performance for him on defense and a better focus on being a spot up shooter.

Second, the three additions we had with Melton, House and Tucker wont let him left naked on defense. So I do think he can be a much better defensive player next season.

Tobias averaged 17ppg on 50-38-86 shooting, 7rpg 2.3 deflections and almost 2 STOCKS steals+blocks while defending the best players of the opposing team on single coverage, he is switchable, he can attack closeouts, he can create on mismatch and has the ability to be a reliable spot up shooter.

He gets better with lesser role and in time.

[mjkvol]

Tobias averaged 17ppg on 50-38-86 shooting, 7rpg 2.3 deflections and almost 2 STOCKS steals+blocks while defending the best players of the opposing team on single coverage, he is switchable, he can attack closeouts, he can create on mismatch and has the ability to be a reliable spot up shooter.

Your insistent posting of these numbers show a player that many of us are unfamiliar with. In other words, the eye test doesn't sync with the numbers with regard to Tobias. I see a square peg desperately (and admirably last season) trying to fit a round hole of a role that he isn't suited for.

And now he is making noise about wanting a bigger role in the offense. If this is true, given the off season moves Morey has made, there will be some serious friction between what is best for the team and what Tobias feels is best for himself.

Listen, I absolutely don't feel we should 'dump' Tobias, but very much hope that a trade reveals itself before the deadline, as I just don't see him as a guy you want playing important minutes in playoff situations. You can quote numbers all day and night, but the eye test shows a player who disappears in the biggest spots. And that is Tobias' history as a playoff performer.

[76ciology]

Tobias averaged 17ppg on 50-38-86 shooting, 7rpg 2.3 deflections and almost 2 STOCKS steals+blocks while defending the best players of the opposing team on single coverage, he is switchable, he can attack closeouts, he can create on mismatch and has the ability to be a reliable spot up shooter.

Your insistent posting of these numbers show a player that many of us are unfamiliar with. In other words, the eye test doesn't sync with the numbers with regard to Tobias. I see a square peg desperately (and admirably last season) trying to fit a round hole of a role that he isn't suited for.

And now he is making noise about wanting a bigger role in the offense. If this is true, given the off season moves Morey has made, there will be some serious friction between what is best for the team and what Tobias feels is best for himself.

Listen, I absolutely don't feel we should 'dump' Tobias, but very much hope that a trade reveals itself before the deadline, as I just don't see him as a guy you want playing important minutes in playoff situations. You can quote numbers all day and night, but the eye test shows a player who disappears in the biggest spots. And that is Tobias' history as a playoff performer.

Actually many people have praised him for his performance during the playoffs. We can revisit those threads if you want to. Most have the sentiment of “if tobi can keep up this level of play, im open in keeping him”. Even the team is reported to share that sentiment. So can be said even in social media, outside Realgm.

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The discontent is many fans do want a big move from us. Another is many do want to have the same respect the Celts do get after our additions. And in both cases, fans think moving Tobi would get it done.

Trading Tobias for Durant, ain’t happening.
Trading Tobias for capspace or Crowder, aren’t going to move the needle.

On my description about Tobias..

Did Tobias averaged those numbers? Yes.
Did Tobias played well on both ends? Yes.

There was no lie on my description on Tobias.

The problem was the mental shift from “Tobias can be good if he continues this play” 3-4 months ago to “We’re capped out already, lets roll the dice with the trade machine”.

This actually happens every year at this point of the season when the fans are bored and there’s not much movement in the league. Hell, even i am bored.

[Magicman125]

Tobias averaged 17ppg on 50-38-86 shooting, 7rpg 2.3 deflections and almost 2 STOCKS steals+blocks while defending the best players of the opposing team on single coverage, he is switchable, he can attack closeouts, he can create on mismatch and has the ability to be a reliable spot up shooter.

Your insistent posting of these numbers show a player that many of us are unfamiliar with. In other words, the eye test doesn't sync with the numbers with regard to Tobias. I see a square peg desperately (and admirably last season) trying to fit a round hole of a role that he isn't suited for.

And now he is making noise about wanting a bigger role in the offense. If this is true, given the off season moves Morey has made, there will be some serious friction between what is best for the team and what Tobias feels is best for himself.

Listen, I absolutely don't feel we should 'dump' Tobias, but very much hope that a trade reveals itself before the deadline, as I just don't see him as a guy you want playing important minutes in playoff situations. You can quote numbers all day and night, but the eye test shows a player who disappears in the biggest spots. And that is Tobias' history as a playoff performer.

Actually many people have praised him for his performance during the playoffs. We can revisit those threads if you want to. Most have the sentiment of “if tobi can keep up this level of play, im open in keeping him”. Even the team is reported to share that sentiment. So can be said even in social media, outside Realgm.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

The discontent is many fans do want a big move from us. Another is many do want to have the same respect the Celts do get after our additions. And in both cases, fans think moving Tobi would get it done.

Trading Tobias for Durant, ain’t happening.
Trading Tobias for capspace or Crowder, aren’t going to move the needle.

On my description about Tobias..

Did Tobias averaged those numbers? Yes.
Did Tobias played well on both ends? Yes.

There was no lie on my description on Tobias.

The problem was the mental shift from “Tobias can be good if he continues this play” 3-4 months ago to “We’re capped out already, lets roll the dice with the trade machine”.

This actually happens every year at this point of the season when the fans are bored and there’s not much movement in the league. Hell, even i am bored.

Couldn't agree more, I think it's unlikely you find a trade that gets you better production than what Tobias was giving in the playoffs, and the offseason additions of Melton, Tucker, and House should help him be able to balance his contributions on O and D. As long as there's no personality/role friction on this roster, it should really click this year. Especially if the conditioning/diet of Harden reports are true.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Please trade Thybulle,Niang,Joe , Springer combo for Crowder before Heat get him

[mjkvol]

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Are there any Tom West (whoever he is) tweets after the Miami series? Yes, many here were saying positive things about Tobias after the Toronto series, but not so much after his disappearing act against Miami.

Listen, as I've said numerous times, I do not want to dump Tobias, but I just don't see him as a good fitting piece to what is being built here. I hope like hell he has a hot start and Morey can get solid value for him at the deadline.

[HardenGoat]

Tobias is apparently an important locker room presence. His commitment and leadership is something that doesn’t show up on stat sheets. The thing he also has is an ability to get his own bucket. That’s important in the playoffs when teams have game planned away your playbook. If he’s traded we definitely need it to be important pieces that bolsters depth. One of which would have to be a player that can get their own bucket. Iam on the fence, but if a team starts a rebuild that scenario could open up.

[76ciology]

I dont see Tobias as a long term piece, unless he can slide at SF and be a better defender and spot up shooter. My long term 4 to play with Embiid is Reed or someone who plays like Reed but with better basketball IQ.

You trade Tobias and you lose two things,
1 is an efficient 17ppg scorer
2 is a wing who can defend 3-4s on single coverage

Tobias can be a weapon, you just have to create an environment where he can be one. Such as when he played that role in the playoffs.

You trade Tobias for Eric Gordon, and you take a step back size and on defense. EG is also not playable when you have to have both Maxey and Harden on the court

You trade Tobias for Crowder and you’ll miss a 17ppg scorer. You won’t feel that hole until Embiid has to sit out games or is having a bad game.

What we should do is hold unto him and hope he can build unto his playoff performance. If not, his expiring contract becoming a positive asset by this deadline or next offseason is our hedge.

[LeonJordanJr24]

I'll take Crowder tho

[HardenToSixers]

The Tobias Harris problem is very simple. Did he play amazing and completely flip the script going from being a lost cause next to Harden to a fairly productive player playing as well as he possibly could have? Yes and that was amazing.

However him playing at his highest potential was still not THAT positive of an impact. If we had gambled on another player who played to the max of their upside, or if somebody like Maxey went on a playoff run and played at his highest ceiling, the team would've been in such good shape and poised to make a finals run. Instead, max ceiling Tobias was basically just a fairly good roleplayer who still was not an efficient go to option in crunch time and debatably still a worse contributing player to the team than if we had just replaced him with a good 3&D wing like an in-form Jae Crowder.

Sell high while we can if the offer is there because I am not going to count on him playing at that ceiling again.

[mjkvol]

The Tobias Harris problem is very simple. Did he play amazing and completely flip the script going from being a lost cause next to Harden to a fairly productive player playing as well as he possibly could have? Yes and that was amazing.

However him playing at his highest potential was still not THAT positive of an impact. If we had gambled on another player who played to the max of their upside, or if somebody like Maxey went on a playoff run and played at his highest ceiling, the team would've been in such good shape and poised to make a finals run. Instead, max ceiling Tobias was basically just a fairly good roleplayer who still was not an efficient go to option in crunch time and debatably still a worse contributing player to the team than if we had just replaced him with a good 3&D wing like an in-form Jae Crowder.

Sell high while we can if the offer is there because I am not going to count on him playing at that ceiling again.

This is my view as well. Tobias is ... okay ... as long as he's willing to be a square peg in a round hole again and fill that role, but he's making noises about wanting a bigger role in the offense, which is 180 degrees removed from what Morey is building here. The fact that Glenn loves him is also an issue.

As you said, a player who might not be as 'complete' as Tobias but can better fill that role as a solid 3&D wing, like a Crowder, is going to be much more valuable when the money is on the table. Tobias is good to have as that go-to scorer in regular season games that Embiid and/or Harden are sitting, but at this point it's about the playoffs, and only the playoffs.

[Sixerscan]

I don't really see the issue with Harris' fit, if he's willing to settle into more of a catch and shoot role the way he did at the end of last year, other than he makes too much money, which Harden solved for at least this year. In terms of him complaining, I mean what was the really some random report that never went anywhere? If he shows up at camp saying that stuff then I'll be concerned.

I get that people want to make another move, and he's the big salary guy that people are the least attached to so he's obviously the easiest guy to include in that deal, but frankly the most realistic way for that to happen is to wait for his contract to get shorter.

It should go without saying that Morey would flip him in a second if there was a move available that would improve the team and the fact that he hasn't should tell you something. It's not like Morey has any loyalty to Harris like he didn't bring him in.

Jae Crowder averaged 9 PPG and shot 30% from 3 last playoffs fwiw.

[mjkvol]

I get that people want to make another move, and he's the big salary guy that people are the least attached to so he's obviously the easiest guy to include in that deal, but frankly the most realistic way for that to happen is to wait for his contract to get shorter.

Everyone keeps assuming that it's the salary that is the issue. The only difference between Tobias making what he is and Tobias making half of that is that he'd be a hell of a lot easier to move, and likely would already have been moved.

It's the fact that he isn't a fit for what this Sixers team needs, and he has to alter what he is as a player in order to fit that role. If he was a perfect fit on this roster and he could be counted on as a solid playoff performer in that role, the contract wouldn't matter and we wouldn't be discussing this ad nauseum.

[Sixerscan]

I get that people want to make another move, and he's the big salary guy that people are the least attached to so he's obviously the easiest guy to include in that deal, but frankly the most realistic way for that to happen is to wait for his contract to get shorter.

Everyone keeps assuming that it's the salary that is the issue. The only difference between Tobias making what he is and Tobias making half of that is that he'd be a hell of a lot easier to move, and likely would already have been moved.

It's the fact that he isn't a fit for what this Sixers team needs, and he has to alter what he is as a player in order to fit that role. If he was a perfect fit on this roster and he could be counted on as a solid playoff performer in that role, the contract wouldn't matter and we wouldn't be discussing this ad nauseum.

The salary is absolutely the issue. By "alter his game" you mean not handle the ball as much, which he can do, and Crowder can't. He's also a better shooter than Crowder, and showed great progress on catch and shoot when Harden showed up and it became clear that was his role. Somehow people turn Tobias being a well rounded player into a negative lol.

Disappear in the playoffs? He averaged 16.9 PPG on good efficiency this year, in addition to the numbers I posted above Crowder has averaged 10.3 PPG in the playoffs since 2017. Somehow Harris is the one that disappears. Pretty clear it's about the money. It's fine to say he's overpaid because he is but people are going nuts with this stuff, he's a talented player.

[ProcessDoctor]

I don't mind keeping him around, but it'd be nice to add another forward and have his minutes reduced. For example, if we somehow acquire Crowder, we could run the 3/4 as such:

Crowder(28)/House(16)/Tucker(4)
Harris(28)/Tucker(20)

In other words, just because he's getting paid $37 mil doesn't mean we ought to play him like he's actually worth that.

[LeTimmAy]

Harris is better than crowder, so why play him less? He should play his 32min. Only thing is: he should be bombing 3s.

[the_process]

I get that people want to make another move, and he's the big salary guy that people are the least attached to so he's obviously the easiest guy to include in that deal, but frankly the most realistic way for that to happen is to wait for his contract to get shorter.

Everyone keeps assuming that it's the salary that is the issue. The only difference between Tobias making what he is and Tobias making half of that is that he'd be a hell of a lot easier to move, and likely would already have been moved.

It's the fact that he isn't a fit for what this Sixers team needs, and he has to alter what he is as a player in order to fit that role. If he was a perfect fit on this roster and he could be counted on as a solid playoff performer in that role, the contract wouldn't matter and we wouldn't be discussing this ad nauseum.

The salary is absolutely the issue. By "alter his game" you mean not handle the ball as much, which he can do, and Crowder can't. He's also a better shooter than Crowder, and showed great progress on catch and shoot when Harden showed up and it became clear that was his role. Somehow people turn Tobias being a well rounded player into a negative lol.

Disappear in the playoffs? He averaged 16.9 PPG on good efficiency this year, in addition to the numbers I posted above Crowder has averaged 10.3 PPG in the playoffs since 2017. Somehow Harris is the one that disappears. Pretty clear it's about the money. It's fine to say he's overpaid because he is but people are going nuts with this stuff, he's a talented player.

Looking at the playoffs as a whole is disingenuous. It's great that he was good against Toronto in the first round, but that was the first round. He sucked against Miami in the second round, and that's more important.

And of course they really need to re-allocate his salary to multiple other needs. A stretch 4, and that's all he is on this team (and all he ever should be, but that's another story), cannot take up almost 25% of your cap.

[mjkvol]

I don't mind keeping him around, but it'd be nice to add another forward and have his minutes reduced. For example, if we somehow acquire Crowder, we could run the 3/4 as such:

Crowder(28)/House(16)/Tucker(4)
Harris(28)/Tucker(20)

In other words, just because he's getting paid $37 mil doesn't mean we ought to play him like he's actually worth that.

Glenn loves him. As long as Tobias is here he will be treated as a 'core' player and will be in the game in crunch time spots. The only way to change that is to move him.