Eurobasket 2022 (daily OP updates), day 11, all quarter finals teams known, Italy shocks Europe, eliminates Serbia

[AussieBuck]

Come on man. I know you’re defending your boy, but he clearly didn’t have the same impact in the FIBA WC in 2019 as he did in the NBA.

He was constantly in foul trouble, struggled to score and get assists. He only averaged 14.8 points and 2.6 assists per game in 25 mins.

He had a 24/10 game against NZ, but other than that, was pretty lacklustre for his standards.

I mean I've mentioned he didn't have the ball/it wasn't his role and you've chosen to ignore that. If he was out there shooting 25% with 8 turnovers I guess you'd have a point?

Ok. So that’s the arbitrary cut off for you to say he performed poorly (to his standard).

On one hand you say he played fine, on the other hand you say he played bad because of his coach/role.

He was not up to his back to back MVP standards. It’s ok to say your fav player didn’t play great. I think we all think Giannis is a beast, but if you think he played well averaging 14/8/2 then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

You've built a very stupid strawman here. I've said no such thing.

You've tried to paint him as struggling based on points/assists ignoring what I tried to help you with in regard to his role and other context. If you wanted him averaging 30 points given his usage/minutes/team possessions he would have had to have had a TS% of 200 or something.

[Hellcrooner]

Doncic barring injury WILL no doubt end up being the best fiba player ever.

but for the time being he still has a lot of silverware to win to earn that over the belovs, dalipalgics, petrovics, sabonises and Pau Gasols of the world ( and that is disregarding americans who played some fiba)

[Pachinko_]

Giannis would absolutely steamroll the competition if he was playing for a team like Spain or pretty much any Yugo team because they can shoot and create some space for him. But Greece cannot-shoot-no-matter-what.

However, with the right coach they can at least move ball and bodies and run something for Giannis, and they have the right coach now. No excuses, IMO he has to be a top 2-3 scorer this time and take this team to the semis.

[AussieBuck]

Giannis would absolutely steamroll the competition if he was playing for a team like Spain or pretty much any Yugo team because they can shoot and create some space for him. But Greece cannot-shoot-no-matter-what.

However, with the right coach they can at least move ball and bodies and run something for Giannis, and they have the right coach now. No excuses, IMO he has to be a top 2-3 scorer this time and take this team to the semis.

Still have that time you pricks arsed a win against us in the Olympics with a heap of end of game threes burned into my memory. Was back in the Andrew Gaze era. Now Greece has less shooters than the average D grade team at Frankston stadium.

[Pachinko_]

Giannis would absolutely steamroll the competition if he was playing for a team like Spain or pretty much any Yugo team because they can shoot and create some space for him. But Greece cannot-shoot-no-matter-what.

However, with the right coach they can at least move ball and bodies and run something for Giannis, and they have the right coach now. No excuses, IMO he has to be a top 2-3 scorer this time and take this team to the semis.

Still have that time you pricks arsed a win against us in the Olympics with a heap of end of game threes burned into my memory. Was back in the Andrew Gaze era. Now Greece has less shooters than the average D grade team at Frankston stadium.

We just don't like you, you are too blond and tall and athletic

Thats why we feed you fake-healthy souvlaki with lettuce and lamb, and we keep the good pork belly souvlaki to ourselves

[AussieBuck]

Giannis would absolutely steamroll the competition if he was playing for a team like Spain or pretty much any Yugo team because they can shoot and create some space for him. But Greece cannot-shoot-no-matter-what.

However, with the right coach they can at least move ball and bodies and run something for Giannis, and they have the right coach now. No excuses, IMO he has to be a top 2-3 scorer this time and take this team to the semis.

Still have that time you pricks arsed a win against us in the Olympics with a heap of end of game threes burned into my memory. Was back in the Andrew Gaze era. Now Greece has less shooters than the average D grade team at Frankston stadium.

We just don't like you, you are too blond and tall and athletic

Thats why we feed you fake-healthy souvlaki with lettuce and lamb, and we keep the good pork belly souvlaki to ourselves

I love both kinds just like I love Aussie Chinese food and the actual stuff. Old school Aussie/English food we had when Australia was less multicultural is so **** that basically everything else since is amazing by comparison.

Back on topic we need a loan system where we hand over Patty Mills and the rest of our legion of role player shooters to Greece for the Euros and you give us Giannis for the Olympics as we know you guys mostly just care about beating each other.

[G R E Y]

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[CharityStripe34]

Giannis would absolutely steamroll the competition if he was playing for a team like Spain or pretty much any Yugo team because they can shoot and create some space for him. But Greece cannot-shoot-no-matter-what.

However, with the right coach they can at least move ball and bodies and run something for Giannis, and they have the right coach now. No excuses, IMO he has to be a top 2-3 scorer this time and take this team to the semis.

The jump from Skourtopoulos to Itoudis is massive. I'm sure Itoudis is going to run actual professional hoops offense and maximize whatever spacing they can for Gianni. I can see Greece making the final four. I'm also sure they're going to try and push the pace a lot in transition.

[UcanUwill]

Giannis would absolutely steamroll the competition if he was playing for a team like Spain or pretty much any Yugo team because they can shoot and create some space for him. But Greece cannot-shoot-no-matter-what.

However, with the right coach they can at least move ball and bodies and run something for Giannis, and they have the right coach now. No excuses, IMO he has to be a top 2-3 scorer this time and take this team to the semis.

The jump from Skourtopoulos to Itoudis is massive. I'm sure Itoudis is going to run actual professional hoops offense and maximize whatever spacing they can for Gianni. I can see Greece making the final four. I'm also sure they're going to try and push the pace a lot in transition.

Also, one of Bucks' assistants will be on Itoudis squad

[lambchop]

Tyler Dorsey is on the Greek national team. I didnt know his mom was Greek and he actually already played on the Greek youth national team in 2015.

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[Pachinko_]

Giannis would absolutely steamroll the competition if he was playing for a team like Spain or pretty much any Yugo team because they can shoot and create some space for him. But Greece cannot-shoot-no-matter-what.

However, with the right coach they can at least move ball and bodies and run something for Giannis, and they have the right coach now. No excuses, IMO he has to be a top 2-3 scorer this time and take this team to the semis.

The jump from Skourtopoulos to Itoudis is massive. I'm sure Itoudis is going to run actual professional hoops offense and maximize whatever spacing they can for Gianni. I can see Greece making the final four. I'm also sure they're going to try and push the pace a lot in transition.

Also, one of Bucks' assistants will be on Itoudis squad

Really? I can see a couple of familiar faces in Bucks gear in the Greek NT training sessions, but I thought they were Gianni's shooting coach and personal trainer from the Bucks... I don't think they are officially in the NT coaching staff

[CharityStripe34]

Oppenheimer is with Gianni in Greece to work with him in individuals I imagine.

[Pachinko_]

Giannis would absolutely steamroll the competition if he was playing for a team like Spain or pretty much any Yugo team because they can shoot and create some space for him. But Greece cannot-shoot-no-matter-what.

However, with the right coach they can at least move ball and bodies and run something for Giannis, and they have the right coach now. No excuses, IMO he has to be a top 2-3 scorer this time and take this team to the semis.

The jump from Skourtopoulos to Itoudis is massive. I'm sure Itoudis is going to run actual professional hoops offense and maximize whatever spacing they can for Gianni. I can see Greece making the final four. I'm also sure they're going to try and push the pace a lot in transition.

First reports is the guy works pretty much 20 hours a day at the moment, trying to find every angle he can get. 2 a days with the team and then lots of film with his staff.

I think one addition that will help compared to previous teams is Tyler Dorsey. Dorsey is not a huge talent or anything but he is the first SG we've had in a while who actually shoots, he's a 38.5% 3pt shooter in FIBA (with good volume). Much better than trying to make space with Calathes's bricks, Sloukas's 2.7 attempts per game and our non-shooting bigs.

[CharityStripe34]

Agreed about Dorsey, he will look good as the starting SG. I wonder if they put Gianni at the 5 at certain points. Calathes should be coming off the bench. A fun lineup would be with Gianni at the 5 and Papanikoloaou at the 4.

[Pachinko_]

Agreed about Dorsey, he will look good as the starting SG. I wonder if they put Gianni at the 5 at certain points. Calathes should be coming off the bench. A fun lineup would be with Gianni at the 5 and Papanikoloaou at the 4.

depends on the opponent, Giannis at the 5 will definitely happen but when you're playing teams that are strong inside you have the option of completely shutting down the paint with Giannis and Papa and that's actually really tempting (although it doesnt work well in the offense)

[LuDux1]

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What are your thoughts after seeing Lithuanian team for the first time?

My just one game hot take. Keep Žemaitis, cut Jokubaitis? Just kidding, but man, that Žemaitis kid is good, Jokubaitis looked like trash. Maybe its the gogles, but he still has that Lithuanian handle, he basically does a jab when he dribbles the ball.
Grigonis is still a star, I dont know which old pagan god did he please to become such a good offensive guard coming from LIthuania, I though those were extinct by now.
I know this was Estonia, but Martynas Echodas looked insane, he was amazing. Holly crap. Man, Žalgiris got that stiff Birutis who is slower than a tree and basically a Boban without talent. What will he do in EUroleague, Euroleague is good now, every guard will play that man of the court. Meanwhile Echodas doing his Tim Duncan impressions on National team.

I thought that with Grigonis' playmaking Dimsa and Zemaitis may not necessarily which could open up spot for 3rd center assuming Sabonis will be used as more or less as pure PF

[Bob8]

Doncic barring injury WILL no doubt end up being the best fiba player ever.

but for the time being he still has a lot of silverware to win to earn that over the belovs, dalipalgics, petrovics, sabonises and Pau Gasols of the world ( and that is disregarding americans who played some fiba)

It's a little more difficult to win all that playing for Slovenia with only 2 mio population.

[lambchop]

Giannis would absolutely steamroll the competition if he was playing for a team like Spain or pretty much any Yugo team because they can shoot and create some space for him. But Greece cannot-shoot-no-matter-what.

However, with the right coach they can at least move ball and bodies and run something for Giannis, and they have the right coach now. No excuses, IMO he has to be a top 2-3 scorer this time and take this team to the semis.

Still have that time you pricks arsed a win against us in the Olympics with a heap of end of game threes burned into my memory. Was back in the Andrew Gaze era. Now Greece has less shooters than the average D grade team at Frankston stadium.

Spain, Greece and Argentina had absolutely amazing squads for a long time. Spain actually isn't that much of a shooting team at the moment, but they're U20, U18 guys etc. seem to be lights out and could fix that issue in a couple of years.

I'm not sure if Argentina will be a top 4 basketball nation again within the next 10 years.

[lambchop]

Doncic barring injury WILL no doubt end up being the best fiba player ever.

but for the time being he still has a lot of silverware to win to earn that over the belovs, dalipalgics, petrovics, sabonises and Pau Gasols of the world ( and that is disregarding americans who played some fiba)

Yea Doncic has a great shot at doing that especially with Jokic not participating, who in theory would have the best squad around him to win medals consistently.

It's a pity Dirk had incredibly weak supporting casts on those national teams. Even beat Spain in 2005 and won MVP despite losing in the final.

[Pachinko_]

Doncic barring injury WILL no doubt end up being the best fiba player ever.

but for the time being he still has a lot of silverware to win to earn that over the belovs, dalipalgics, petrovics, sabonises and Pau Gasols of the world ( and that is disregarding americans who played some fiba)

It's a little more difficult to win all that playing for Slovenia with only 2 mio population.

I was just reading somewhere that the US have 2 mio people in jail LOL
Crazy perspective of how small Slovenia really is