Poll: would you trade JB for KD?

[playa-hater]

Absolutely not, go to the nets board and see how hungry they are for brown. They have a toxic situation now let’s let them deal with that mess lol

But Durant is getting old, the c’s dominated him in the playoffs. This would screw up the amazing squad of players we have and the timeline. This would be looked at as a “greedy” move from management, thinking it’d the next leg up to a championship but sometimes you need to sit with what you build.

I’d also rather have Brown for 2 years then Durant for 4.

did I just read this correctly??

[moonie_mcgee]

The low ball theory makes sense as that is the first position in the process. If the Celts wouldn't go further than their initial offer and the Nets wouldn't move from their ask - then it dead. Testing the waters no

[Darthlukey]

Absolutely not, go to the nets board and see how hungry they are for brown. They have a toxic situation now let’s let them deal with that mess lol

But Durant is getting old, the c’s dominated him in the playoffs. This would screw up the amazing squad of players we have and the timeline. This would be looked at as a “greedy” move from management, thinking it’d the next leg up to a championship but sometimes you need to sit with what you build.

I’d also rather have Brown for 2 years then Durant for 4.

I see no problem with this

[bucknersrevenge]

Absolutely not, go to the nets board and see how hungry they are for brown. They have a toxic situation now let’s let them deal with that mess lol

But Durant is getting old, the c’s dominated him in the playoffs. This would screw up the amazing squad of players we have and the timeline. This would be looked at as a “greedy” move from management, thinking it’d the next leg up to a championship but sometimes you need to sit with what you build.

I’d also rather have Brown for 2 years then Durant for 4.

Looked at by who? Based on what evidence? One could argue just as easily, sometimes you need to rec ognize your shot and take it when it's right in front of you. This is a very semantic, emotional argument. Nothing wrong with that. I made an emotional argument myself for keeping the team as is. There's risk sure, but let's not pretend that there aren't obvious risks in not doing a deal. And we don't even know what the actual deal would be.

[MrDollarBills]

I think when a team is fielding 25 offers, it’s pretty standard to put in an offer to see what market is. I’m sure when Nets replied they wanted Smart, Williams, 3 picks and 2 swaps Brad did discuss with brain trust and they all moved on. If they really wanted KD, the initial offer would have been different. We’ll see ….

If what you're saying is that we offered Brown, Whote, and a draft pick as a little bit of a low ball and they came back with an unreasonable ask that we wouldn't go through with and if neither team budges from their current offers then obviously nothing gets done, then I agree.

I think it would be fireable offense if Celtics brass did not explore framework of a deal and then think about it. It’s either Horford and picks or JB + white or smart……that’s the only way to match salary. Celtics only offered 1 pick when the price was 3 + 2 swaps and then walked away. The Nets then tanked any chance of future negotiations by releasing details to Shams….which means it was dead in the water already. What is so complicated here?

The Nets' media mouthpiece is Woj, not Shams. Shams is more plugged in to Kyrie's camp.

It seems like KD's camp has made peace with the Tsai Family over the last week or so, so who knows where KD's mind is at now. I would still do the trade for the Brad's initial offer with at least 3 picks involved (2 1sts, 1 swap, Boston can protect the picks to the top 8) and Grant Williams, so I'm hoping that negotiations aren't dead. Pairing up Brown and Simmons with our assortment of shooters would be an ideal course correction.

[Bleedsgreen]

Since I Been hearing the loud mouths on 98.5 on F&m repeatably sprouting untruths and don't feel like waiting on hold maybe one of you will.

Brown is only eligible for super-max with the Celtics

Very few players qualify for a supermax contract. First, only a player that has (or will have) completed eight years of NBA service by the end of his current contract is eligible to sign a supermax deal, which can only be offered by the team that drafted him or traded for his rookie contract.

source

SO no getting away from Tatum doesn't let him get a super max easier.

[MagicBagley18]

If what you're saying is that we offered Brown, Whote, and a draft pick as a little bit of a low ball and they came back with an unreasonable ask that we wouldn't go through with and if neither team budges from their current offers then obviously nothing gets done, then I agree.

I think it would be fireable offense if Celtics brass did not explore framework of a deal and then think about it. It’s either Horford and picks or JB + white or smart……that’s the only way to match salary. Celtics only offered 1 pick when the price was 3 + 2 swaps and then walked away. The Nets then tanked any chance of future negotiations by releasing details to Shams….which means it was dead in the water already. What is so complicated here?

The Nets' media mouthpiece is Woj, not Shams. Shams is more plugged in to Kyrie's camp.

It seems like KD's camp has made peace with the Tsai Family over the last week or so, so who knows where KD's mind is at now. I would still do the trade for the Brad's initial offer with at least 3 picks involved (2 1sts, 1 swap, Boston can protect the picks to the top 8) and Grant Williams, so I'm hoping that negotiations aren't dead. Pairing up Brown and Simmons with our assortment of shooters would be an ideal course correction.

Nothing is going to happen unless Durant demands a trade with much more force and seriousness - which I doubt happens. The nets don’t want to trade him imo and only would if 1) he made it very ugly or 2) they got such an over the top ridiculous deal that they couldn’t say no to which doesn’t seem likely.


I’d say unless things get messy Durant is a net next year. I just don’t think you guys wanna seriously move him and tbh he may have realized if he’s traded he’s going to Boston or Toronto and may have no interest in that which is why maybe things can be figured out in Brooklyn as he sees that as better than Boston or somewhere else that isn’t Phoenix or Miami.

I have zero doubt Imo the Celtics offered brown and the nets countered it but until things get messy I doubt he’s traded at all

[Feed Your Head]

This may shock everyone…………….but I would do it.

[MrDollarBills]

I think it would be fireable offense if Celtics brass did not explore framework of a deal and then think about it. It’s either Horford and picks or JB + white or smart……that’s the only way to match salary. Celtics only offered 1 pick when the price was 3 + 2 swaps and then walked away. The Nets then tanked any chance of future negotiations by releasing details to Shams….which means it was dead in the water already. What is so complicated here?

The Nets' media mouthpiece is Woj, not Shams. Shams is more plugged in to Kyrie's camp.

It seems like KD's camp has made peace with the Tsai Family over the last week or so, so who knows where KD's mind is at now. I would still do the trade for the Brad's initial offer with at least 3 picks involved (2 1sts, 1 swap, Boston can protect the picks to the top 8) and Grant Williams, so I'm hoping that negotiations aren't dead. Pairing up Brown and Simmons with our assortment of shooters would be an ideal course correction.

Nothing is going to happen unless Durant demands a trade with much more force and seriousness - which I doubt happens. The nets don’t want to trade him imo and only would if 1) he made it very ugly or 2) they got such an over the top ridiculous deal that they couldn’t say no to which doesn’t seem likely.


I’d say unless things get messy Durant is a net next year. I just don’t think you guys wanna seriously move him and tbh he may have realized if he’s traded he’s going to Boston or Toronto and may have no interest in that which is why maybe things can be figured out in Brooklyn as he sees that as better than Boston or somewhere else that isn’t Phoenix or Miami.

I have zero doubt Imo the Celtics offered brown and the nets countered it but until things get messy I doubt he’s traded at all

Yeah honestly I don't think they wanted to trade him at all, which is why the price tag became so high.

I would have still taken your initial offer with some slight tweaks, but I'm an angry fan who is sick of both Durant and Irving's horsesh*t and I want off this ride because its been absolutely miserable from day 1...but the Nets can't think that way.

Oh well. I guess we'll see what happens. Either way, should be an interesting season in a loaded Atlantic Division.

[sam_I_am]

The Nets' media mouthpiece is Woj, not Shams. Shams is more plugged in to Kyrie's camp.

It seems like KD's camp has made peace with the Tsai Family over the last week or so, so who knows where KD's mind is at now. I would still do the trade for the Brad's initial offer with at least 3 picks involved (2 1sts, 1 swap, Boston can protect the picks to the top 8) and Grant Williams, so I'm hoping that negotiations aren't dead. Pairing up Brown and Simmons with our assortment of shooters would be an ideal course correction.

Nothing is going to happen unless Durant demands a trade with much more force and seriousness - which I doubt happens. The nets don’t want to trade him imo and only would if 1) he made it very ugly or 2) they got such an over the top ridiculous deal that they couldn’t say no to which doesn’t seem likely.


I’d say unless things get messy Durant is a net next year. I just don’t think you guys wanna seriously move him and tbh he may have realized if he’s traded he’s going to Boston or Toronto and may have no interest in that which is why maybe things can be figured out in Brooklyn as he sees that as better than Boston or somewhere else that isn’t Phoenix or Miami.

I have zero doubt Imo the Celtics offered brown and the nets countered it but until things get messy I doubt he’s traded at all

Yeah honestly I don't think they wanted to trade him at all, which is why the price tag became so high.

I would have still taken your initial offer with some slight tweaks, but I'm an angry fan who is sick of both Durant and Irving's horsesh*t and I want off this ride because its been absolutely miserable from day 1...but the Nets can't think that way.

Oh well. I guess we'll see what happens. Either way, should be an interesting season in a loaded Atlantic Division.

Nets can’t afford to trade Durant for anything less than The Godfather deals they are seeking. As much as they might want to end this headache, Durant + Kyrie is still good ratings and is better for business than being a gritty but boring treadmill team. If Simmons bounces back and if Kyrie and Durant recommit and stay healthy….they might be the big story in the NBA this year.

[celtxman]

Since I Been hearing the loud mouths on 98.5 on F&m repeatably sprouting untruths and don't feel like waiting on hold maybe one of you will.

Brown is only eligible for super-max with the Celtics

Very few players qualify for a supermax contract. First, only a player that has (or will have) completed eight years of NBA service by the end of his current contract is eligible to sign a supermax deal, which can only be offered by the team that drafted him or traded for his rookie contract.

source

SO no getting away from Tatum doesn't let him get a super max easier.

Great post....I was watching yesterday and those guys had me thinking they were right. This often happens there....hasty, lazy effort and they make a topic out of it

[165bows]

Since I Been hearing the loud mouths on 98.5 on F&m repeatably sprouting untruths and don't feel like waiting on hold maybe one of you will.

Brown is only eligible for super-max with the Celtics

Very few players qualify for a supermax contract. First, only a player that has (or will have) completed eight years of NBA service by the end of his current contract is eligible to sign a supermax deal, which can only be offered by the team that drafted him or traded for his rookie contract.

source

SO no getting away from Tatum doesn't let him get a super max easier.

Great post....I was watching yesterday and those guys had me thinking they were right. This often happens there....hasty, lazy effort and they make a topic out of it

Bringing your time spent with those (and similar) chuckle heads towards near zero will greatly enhance your life.

[ThePigeon]

I would like the league and owners to limit somehow the trade requests of players.
Something like if a player requests a trade - his contract is immediately shortened to 1 year, his cap hold stays for the year, but his actual salary is league minimum.

I am fed up of "start" players ruining teams left and right. They are entitled spoiled brats.
Just play the game!
You don't like your team? Tough luck. Play your contract or get a hit.
You can't let them eat the cake, keep it whole and ruin a different team.

And I would not trade for Durant.

[ballup]

One for one would be much more straightforward, but that's never the case. Jaylen + White + picks is the only package worth considering. Any other combination hurts the depth necessary for a championship run. It's kind of ridiculous to think that Smart or Grant would hold up a KD trade, but I'm more aligned with some of the national podcasters on this topic. The amount that KD improves this team isn't worth the cost since it's already a contender. White, Brogdon, and Rob are all injury risks. Losing one or both Smart and Grant can be costly.

[sam_I_am]

One for one would be much more straightforward, but that's never the case. Jaylen + White + picks is the only package worth considering. Any other combination hurts the depth necessary for a championship run. It's kind of ridiculous to think that Smart or Grant would hold up a KD trade, but I'm more aligned with some of the national podcasters on this topic. The amount that KD improves this team isn't worth the cost since it's already a contender. White, Brogdon, and Rob are all injury risks. Losing one or both Smart and Grant can be costly.

I personally am against the trade, not out of emotional attachment to JB, but because I think Durant is slipping and mentally too fragile now.

With that in mind, one thing has to be clear. JB is younger and cheaper than Durant. The idea of giving up 7-8 assets to make this trade is nuts. With this logic we should be asking to trade JB to Cleveland for Garland and 3 picks plus 2 swaps.

The false idea that JB will leave in 2 years is a pathetic attempt to lower his value. JB likely makes all NBA team and gets max extension thus increasing his value greatly. If you want to trade him - fine - but get good value back.

IT was a loyal star and Ainge traded him for a nut job and looked what happened. We lost Kyrie for nothing and got nothing from him. Had we kept IT (his career was over) we would have also kept Crowder and a lottery pick that was Sexton but likely would have been Shai if Celtics picked. Giving up a bunch of assets for the leagues biggest crybaby and headcase will probably backfire - just like Kyrie trade - and ruin a really great thing. At least Kyrie was 25 at the time.

[Stan34]

Nothing is going to happen unless Durant demands a trade with much more force and seriousness - which I doubt happens. The nets don’t want to trade him imo and only would if 1) he made it very ugly or 2) they got such an over the top ridiculous deal that they couldn’t say no to which doesn’t seem likely.


I’d say unless things get messy Durant is a net next year. I just don’t think you guys wanna seriously move him and tbh he may have realized if he’s traded he’s going to Boston or Toronto and may have no interest in that which is why maybe things can be figured out in Brooklyn as he sees that as better than Boston or somewhere else that isn’t Phoenix or Miami.

I have zero doubt Imo the Celtics offered brown and the nets countered it but until things get messy I doubt he’s traded at all

Yeah honestly I don't think they wanted to trade him at all, which is why the price tag became so high.

I would have still taken your initial offer with some slight tweaks, but I'm an angry fan who is sick of both Durant and Irving's horsesh*t and I want off this ride because its been absolutely miserable from day 1...but the Nets can't think that way.

Oh well. I guess we'll see what happens. Either way, should be an interesting season in a loaded Atlantic Division.

Nets can’t afford to trade Durant for anything less than The Godfather deals they are seeking. As much as they might want to end this headache, Durant + Kyrie is still good ratings and is better for business than being a gritty but boring treadmill team. If Simmons bounces back and if Kyrie and Durant recommit and stay healthy….they might be the big story in the NBA this year.

Tell something about team goals: what did Kyrie after he left LeBron.

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[cl2117]

I'm out on KD.

Age/injury concern, literally just firebombed a team that did everything he asked of them and it also means invariably killing some of the mojo we had going on last year with this core group. Don't get me wrong, if the trade goes down I'll be all steam ahead on the KD train, but as it stands now I'm happy to pass if it were up to me.

Plus I'd just much rather wing a ring with a Tatum/Brown duo. All championships aren't created equally. I think winning one with two homegrown talents that are super young would be sweeter than one with KD as a mercenary. Gives us the potential for one of these 5-10 year windows that are often talked about but rarely ever come to fruition.

We were the best team in the NBA for the 2nd half of the regular season and 2nd best team in the playoffs behind the Warriors. We've had one of the best offseasons of any NBA team by losing no one of true importance while adding a starting calibre guard and a bench big both of whom address our key weaknesses. I think we can hang a banner without KD, I'm willing to roll those dice.

[Red2]

I am SO tired of talking or even thinking about Kevin Durant. F him. Lets move on

[BK_2020]

With that in mind, one thing has to be clear. JB is younger and cheaper than Durant. The idea of giving up 7-8 assets to make this trade is nuts. With this logic we should be asking to trade JB to Cleveland for Garland and 3 picks plus 2 swaps.

Cleveland won't trade Garland for Jaylen straight up.

[sam_I_am]

With that in mind, one thing has to be clear. JB is younger and cheaper than Durant. The idea of giving up 7-8 assets to make this trade is nuts. With this logic we should be asking to trade JB to Cleveland for Garland and 3 picks plus 2 swaps.

Cleveland won't trade Garland for Jaylen straight up.

My point exactly