DEJOUNTE MURRAY & JOCK LANDALE TRADED TO ATLANTA HAWKS

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Re: DEJOUNTE MURRAY & JOCK LANDALE TRADED TO ATLANTA HAWKS 

Post#41 » by G R E Y » Fri Jul 22, 2022 9:23 pm

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Phreak50 wrote:Just shows he was never a 'Spurs guy'.

I hope Keldon doesn't follow the same path.


Johnson doesn't seem to have as much of an entitled attitude as Murray. He also seems very appreciative and humbled by his Olympic team experience with Pop so we'll see.

Hopefully the Klutch asshats aren't in his head too much. His contract was actually pretty fair for both sides.

Yeah great deal!
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Sounds like someone got a little jealous...
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Re: DEJOUNTE MURRAY & JOCK LANDALE TRADED TO ATLANTA HAWKS 

Post#42 » by G R E Y » Fri Jul 22, 2022 10:01 pm

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The way that system is set up, you're going to be losing for the next 15 years! The problem is bigger than basketbal


Murray at it again on social media.

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*sigh*

REALLY hoped nothing would turn into 'something' on social media yet here we are. That's not at all a slight against you, Phreak, but on DJ for the post you quoted. And prior to this he posted and characteristically deleted this:

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Like he was **** held back having been given the keys and was able to showcase his game? Perhaps he thought we didn't try hard enough to keep him? Were we all too accommodating with his "I want to win" "I work to hard..." (again, as opposed to whom?)?

I think the writing was on the wall back when we drafted Primo - and DJ tweeted a disagreeing emoji, something like shrug or eyeroll or something conveying puzzled displeasure. But from our side, Primo and all the subsequent guards we've drafted were a clear indication of looking a few years into the future. With DJ not wanting to re-sign (no disagreement there given the CBA allowed only 120% above his current contract), us not getting any clear commitment he would stay in UFA, and not having a great team improvement with him as the best player we had the signs and signals and responded.

If we had Giannis or Jokic or Steph or KD would we have won only one more game than the previous season on ten more tries, all other circumstances being the same? If the answer is yes, then DJ isn't the guy to build around, and certainly therefore not the guy to pay an average of $42M/yr to. So while he thought he was all fluffing his feathers about being in a better position because he works too hard to keep losing (ironic, right? He doesn't actually think he's on that top tier level does he? He's not even the best player on the Hawks now) we acknowledged his situation and ours.

Putting high priced players around him would only keep up nipping at the heels of the top six, vying for the play-in, for the foreseeable future. The Jazz have been even more successful in the mid tier and have decided to blow it up as well.

The goal is contending and to do that we need to top tier talent. Forty one of the last 43 championship teams have had a top tier talent leading them. Is it our 'fault' we correctly identified that DJ isn't it? Is it our fault we made the deal having no assurances DJ would even stay? So like WTF does he want? To trade him but feel bad about it? Thanks but we learned from the past when someone didn't want to be here and were proactive about it.

So after the 'free' text he posted what Phreak did:
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The context for this is his goodbye to SA on IG. There are literally hundreds of supportive posts. He scoured through them with a fine toothed comb to find the couple of baiting posts to respond to and he didn't just talk to the poster but disparaged his team mates (again!), and the Spurs organization.

**** right off you ungrateful insecure immature jerk.

Then he followed it up with:
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Just digging deeper.

Some on social media were supporting him saying it is an emotional time and fans shouldn't bait (true) and it's absurd to think that DJ was traded because of how he posts online. Well it's not THE reason, but he's going on 27 soon so seven years in, we're probably tired of it and weighed the pros and cons of a trade accordingly; maybe not "the" reason, but perhaps one of them:

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KD was brought up as a comparison as if there aren't great differences between them that make KD's tweets tolerable on the whole. If DJ ever wins two finals MVPs and is the best player on a championship team then we can make such comparisons lol

Of course some took what DJ said to heart and guessed that there's some schism between Brian Wright and Pop as if Pop didn't approve the DJ trade, as if decisions aren't made in open communication. DJ wishes there would be some discord. If anything, we're aligned on the clear direction we chose.

DJ's just sore that we moved on rather swiftly from him, we've been setting up for this scenario for a while now (or others depending on which direction we chose), and is continuing to **** on his teammates ("I work too hard to lose" "I only want to win"... Spurs won't win for another 15 years - which **** on both PATFO and the players) this on the very day the Spurs officially announced Keldon's extension.

And has DJ congratulated Keldon on IG? Nope. Others including Lonnie have, so for KJ to be making more money just after we shipped out DJ had to sting. (And I don't recall too many Spurs commenting on his trade to ATL with congratulations either, so...).

The building around KJ post really hit a nerve but truth hurts. DJ's not the tier of talent to build around. The trade not only got us lots of good picks but also higher chance at a top pick in the next draft.

But it's so telling that he couldn't leave it at staying classy and chose to imply there's a problem in the FO and with his team mates not being good enough. Well he ignores the fact that we thought he wasn't good enough to build around, thank you very much for the good haul in return.

He couldn't just leave it at good for both sides and had to **** on the organization he claimed 'saved his life'. Like just GTFO already. SO glad we never have to deal with the emo passive aggressive BS any more.

The whole 'I want to win but we need better players' coupled with 'I want to win trade me' but 'you don't miss me enough' and 'you planned to move on in retrospect' so 'you'll suck for the next 15 years' is as immature as it is unfortunately still par for the course.

Well we've corrected ours and now we move forward with guys who want to be here, are here for the grind, here to get better, here to play for the name on the front of the jersey.
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Re: DEJOUNTE MURRAY & JOCK LANDALE TRADED TO ATLANTA HAWKS 

Post#43 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Aug 9, 2022 4:51 am

Hawks fan here, coming in peace with a legit question.

Seeing all the (unnecessary) trash talking and disrespect of opponents DjM has been up to in various summer play, has he always been this brash and obnoxious?

Or is this a new development?

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Re: DEJOUNTE MURRAY & JOCK LANDALE TRADED TO ATLANTA HAWKS 

Post#44 » by imagump1313 » Tue Aug 9, 2022 7:21 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Hawks fan here, coming in peace with a legit question.

Seeing all the (unnecessary) trash talking and disrespect of opponents DjM has been up to in various summer play, has he always been this brash and obnoxious?

Or is this a new development?

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He was always a bit self-entitled here. What he's doing now is off the charts though. He would have not gotten away with that behavior here I don't think.

For someone who hasn't won or earned anything in this league yet he certainly thinks everyone should be bowing to him for some reason. Good luck with that :D

There are plenty of players in this league that can humble him in a hurry pretty easily so we'll see.
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Re: DEJOUNTE MURRAY & JOCK LANDALE TRADED TO ATLANTA HAWKS 

Post#45 » by G R E Y » Tue Aug 9, 2022 9:35 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Hawks fan here, coming in peace with a legit question.

Seeing all the (unnecessary) trash talking and disrespect of opponents DjM has been up to in various summer play, has he always been this brash and obnoxious?

Or is this a new development?

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A couple of things:

First, the post in the tweet you posted originates from a fake Hoops Hype account which photoshopped that quote. DJ's weirdo posts and behaviour have been bad enough without social media scheming for clicks.

Next, in the post above yours, I address DJ's frustrating posts and behaviour.

I agree fully with gump's post above.

Seems like he was largely kept in line here and now that he's 'free' he's sort of exploding. He's always posted with the weird capitalized first letter of every word. He balanced out the underdog/victim/revenge posts with inspirational quotes and gratitude to God. He would sometimes go mano-a-mano versus opponents, and I only recall him shoving Harden previously. I've never seen him this weirdly acting out versus rec players, getting so triggered by a rookie who's played 0 NBA minutes.

That whole thing seems like an overreaction to Paolo's showing his feathers as the #1 pick. Maybe he said or did some things that a 19-year-old, fluffled up by the NBA Draft experience, who is in over his head has to learn how to handle.

There were some issues of DJ I guess feeling disrespected. But the guy who always talks about staying humble was humiliating others and embarrassing himself all over the place. He also recently posted something like he'll stay humble until he unleashes another side to him.

It may have had something to do with who the best guy coming out of Seattle is, as well as who the best guy with #5 is. No kidding. Go back and listen to the comments DJ was making coming to the bench. And while that one diss play by DJ towards Paolo made the social media rounds, Paolo actually played very well, including going at and getting by DJ so that the latter was calling for double and triple teams of Paolo. Nothing says you got bested when...

DJ has talked about his very tough upbringing. He grew up with a largely absent father and a sometime-incarcerated mother all the while spending time in juvenile detention himself. He grew up in a rough part of Seattle and kids at age 11 were already in gangs. Someone with his profile doesn't often get out of that situation. He keeps in touch with several friends still in jail and has commented on how lucky he is to have made it out. He also hinted at some past trauma he's never discussed (likely not dealt with properly from the looks of things).

Still, we're responsible for our behaviour, unfair as pasts are. I do wonder about something. Let's say we roughly fall into one of four quadrants: nice past, nice person; nice past, jerk; bad past, nice person; bad past, jerk. In other words, a person may be showing ill effects of a bad past. But sometimes even independent of whichever past, a person is just a jerk.

I don't know which quadrant DJ came from (bad past, nice; bad past, jerk), but he's certainly in the 'jerk' of the present one. We shouldn't assume all jerk behaviour is simply from trauma not dealt with. After all, DJ didn't exhibit this level of immature a-holeness and downright active demeaning of others while on the Spurs. Sure he was emo, and at least once unfollowed the Spurs and deleted all the pics up until then of him and Pop when Pop made Derrick the starter again for EIGHT games as DJ's return from injury with the starting line-up was hurting the team. Yeah, a tad over the top. STILL, that he didn't show this level of showing others up means he CAN choose his behaviour given the environment. It was curtailed to the extent that the team culture and Pop would never tolerate that here.

If his 'free' comment means he can now do whatever he wants and this is what he chooses, well then he'll be focusing on 'settling scores', on one-upmanship, on unleashing the beast or whatever. For your sakes the hope is that he gets it out of his system in these meaningless games. But he can be a player who others can get under the skin of and it's one extra thing to look out for in addition to fitting in with Trae, new team system, new team mates, etc.

Hope this helps.
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Post#46 » by atlantabbq99 » Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:06 am

I thought Spurs are tanking for Wemba...... oh well...

Great 3 games so far.
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Re: DEJOUNTE MURRAY & JOCK LANDALE TRADED TO ATLANTA HAWKS 

Post#47 » by imagump1313 » Sun Oct 23, 2022 4:23 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:I thought Spurs are tanking for Wemba...... oh well...

Great 3 games so far.


Tell me about it. This is f-ing BS.

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