Giannis being Giannis with FIBA rules

SUPERVILLAIN · Post #1 » by **SUPERVILLAIN** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 8:42 pm

I remember Giannis had a very forgettable run in the 2019 FIBA World Cup event. He was the NBA MVP that year but he was an average player in FIBA. People said his skills and traits are only valuable in the NBA. Giannis himself confessed he feels like a prisoner while playing with FIBA rules.

But I guess things have changed now. Giannis was unstoppable today against one of the best national team in the world. Beast stats.

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Karate Diop · Post #2 » by **Karate Diop** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 8:44 pm

Lol... We all know Giannis isn't about the FIBA life when things get tough.

JayMKE · Post #3 » by **JayMKE** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 9:10 pm

People who parroted this nonsense narrative before trying to lower Giannis should feel stupid

UcanUwill · Post #4 » by **UcanUwill** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 9:19 pm

He was great, but I would not call this Spanish team one of the best NTs in the world.

Lockdown504090 · Post #5 » by **Lockdown504090** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 9:23 pm

spain not that good, and giannis has improved at playing in tight spaces.

AussieBuck · Post #6 » by **AussieBuck** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 9:29 pm

Are we having a standalone thread now for people to utterly bull **** about what happened in 2019? Oh good.

Ron Swanson · Post #7 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 11:13 pm

It was always a completely stupid narrative peddled by a small minority of insecure Euro fans who believe FIBA ball is the epitome of basketball purity. "Hurr durr he can't shoot and won't get away with TraVelllzzz in Euro cUp". This doesn't really change anything because it was just as stupid in 2019 as it is now.

Funcrusher · Post #8 » by **Funcrusher** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 11:22 pm

Karate Diop wrote:Lol... We all know Giannis isn't about the FIBA life when things get tough.

What you really wanted to say:
"we all know YAWNNIS isn't about the 'IBA LIFE when things get tough."

Funcrusher · Post #9 » by **Funcrusher** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 11:34 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:spain not that good, and giannis has improved at playing in tight spaces.

I mean, he can shoot a little better than he did in say, 2019, but I don't really think this is true. Think his recent success in the playoffs is more a result of playing less of an primary initiator role in 5/4 out iso offenses and being used more as a screener/roller/cutter like a traditional big, just a really devastating one that has nice ancillary perimeter skills. He's also just grown a lot as a passer as well, even if i still feel he's sort of robotic in that respect. But yeah, my greater point is i think Bud has done a better/more creative job of making Giannis an offensive centerpiece than Giannis suddenly just figuring out how to be a smoother/twitchier athlete or something, never should've been any doubt a guy with his talent would have success in the playoffs

Lockdown504090 · Post #10 » by **Lockdown504090** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 11:39 pm

Funcrusher wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:spain not that good, and giannis has improved at playing in tight spaces.

I mean, he can shoot a little better than he did in say, 2019, but I don't really think this is true. Think his recent success in the playoffs is more a result of playing less of an primary initiator role in 5/4 out iso offenses being used more as a screener/roller/cutter like a traditional big, just a really devastating one that has nice ancillary perimeter skills. He's also just grown a lot as a passer as well, even if i still feel he's sort of robotic in that respect. But yeah, my greater point is i think Bud has done a better/more creative job of making Giannis an offensive centerpiece than Giannis suddenly just figuring out how to be a smoother/twitchier athlete or something, never should've been any doubt a guy with his talent would have success in the playoffs

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the footwork with a dead dribble, the drop step, the interior passing, not travelling, keeping his balance are what I was referring too. I think its kinda wild that a guy with two mvps is still finding ways to improve. 10000000% tru on bud using him better. greeece put him in a similar role in this game. kinda like what blake was doing in the short roll with deandre jordan on the clippers

Pachinko_ · Post #11 » by **Pachinko_** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 11:43 pm

Greece got a proper coach is what happened.

People moving ball and bodies and letting it fly when open = Giannis gets a bit of space to move.

Let's see how they go against better teams, this version of Spain is not good yet.

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Mickey8 · Post #12 » by **Mickey8** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 11:52 pm

Its a preparation game, calm down. We will see how well NBA stars performs in the games that matters.

Funcrusher · Post #13 » by **Funcrusher** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 11:52 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
Funcrusher wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:spain not that good, and giannis has improved at playing in tight spaces.

I mean, he can shoot a little better than he did in say, 2019, but I don't really think this is true. Think his recent success in the playoffs is more a result of playing less of an primary initiator role in 5/4 out iso offenses being used more as a screener/roller/cutter like a traditional big, just a really devastating one that has nice ancillary perimeter skills. He's also just grown a lot as a passer as well, even if i still feel he's sort of robotic in that respect. But yeah, my greater point is i think Bud has done a better/more creative job of making Giannis an offensive centerpiece than Giannis suddenly just figuring out how to be a smoother/twitchier athlete or something, never should've been any doubt a guy with his talent would have success in the playoffs

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the footwork with a dead dribble, the drop step, the interior passing, not travelling, keeping his balance are what I was referring too. I think its kinda wild that a guy with two mvps is still finding ways to improve. 10000000% tru on bud using him better. greeece put him in a similar role in this game. kinda like what blake was doing in the short roll with deandre jordan on the clippers

yeah, that's accurate, i mean, in my initial post i probably sold him a bit short in so far as his handle/post feetwork, which has definitely improved over the years. Still I think, like you said, Bud has put him in a better position to succeed as an offensive fulcrum post-2020, and has sorta laid the blueprint for what his ideal roll is if you want to maximize his skillset, which is kinda showing in FIBA now (though regardless Giannis would have always eventually dominated in FIBA over a larger sample size)

Funcrusher · Post #14 » by **Funcrusher** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 11:54 pm

Mickey8 wrote:Its a preparation game, calm down. We will see how well NBA stars performs in the games that matters.

you mean actual nba games?

Mickey8 · Post #15 » by **Mickey8** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 11:55 pm

World cup qualifiers and Eurobasket, obviously.

Funcrusher · Post #16 » by **Funcrusher** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 11:55 pm

Mickey8 wrote:World cup qualifiers and Eurobasket, obviously.

eh

Optms · Post #17 » by **Optms** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:16 am

Okay. Cool. Lets see him do it for more than just one game.

bbalnation · Post #18 » by **bbalnation** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:46 am

Lockdown504090 wrote:
Funcrusher wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:spain not that good, and giannis has improved at playing in tight spaces.

I mean, he can shoot a little better than he did in say, 2019, but I don't really think this is true. Think his recent success in the playoffs is more a result of playing less of an primary initiator role in 5/4 out iso offenses being used more as a screener/roller/cutter like a traditional big, just a really devastating one that has nice ancillary perimeter skills. He's also just grown a lot as a passer as well, even if i still feel he's sort of robotic in that respect. But yeah, my greater point is i think Bud has done a better/more creative job of making Giannis an offensive centerpiece than Giannis suddenly just figuring out how to be a smoother/twitchier athlete or something, never should've been any doubt a guy with his talent would have success in the playoffs

Watch on YouTube

the footwork with a dead dribble, the drop step, the interior passing, not travelling, keeping his balance are what I was referring too. I think its kinda wild that a guy with two mvps is still finding ways to improve. 10000000% tru on bud using him better. greeece put him in a similar role in this game. kinda like what blake was doing in the short roll with deandre jordan on the clippers

Its like he's playing on an 8 foot net, and everyone else is playing at the 10 foot height.

**** isn't fair.

Happy for Giannis.

art_tatum · Post #19 » by **art_tatum** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:00 am

Lol a warm up game. Giannis gonna get clamped up once again when the real games start. Love the guy but he will only do a little better than last time and Greece won't get anywhere.

Post #20 » by **og15** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:50 am

SUPERVILLAIN wrote:I remember Giannis had a very forgettable run in the 2019 FIBA World Cup event. He was the NBA MVP that year but he was an average player in FIBA. People said his skills and traits are only valuable in the NBA. Giannis himself confessed he feels like a prisoner while playing with FIBA rules.

But I guess things have changed now. Giannis was unstoppable today against one of the best national team in the world. Beast stats.

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What's the average FIBA player so I can understand the comparison better. I thought he was still good, just not great, but maybe not.