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hugepatsfan · Post #161 » by **hugepatsfan** » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:03 pm

The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:I know that you don't necessarily want to mess with the starting lineup that went to the finals but Brogdan is one of the few 20-5-5 players. He should 100% should be starting and Smart should be the 6th man.

Disagree about starting. But agree with closing. If we're closing a game with 2 bigs, then it should be Brogdon as the PG over Smart.

A couple reasons why Smart should start, IMO:

1) We should always have two of Tatum/Brown/Brogdon on the floor. When one of Tatum/Brown sits, Brogdon needs to be on there so you have a second 20 ppg capability scorer.

2) Derrick White and Marcus Smart should play together as little as possible. It's by far the least complimentary pairing of our perimeter players. They're too duplicative of each other, with the same general strengths/weaknesses.

If you start Brogdon, it become more difficult to line your rotations up to accomplish both of those things. But down the stretch, Brogdon should absolutely be the guy in the game over Smart if it's an either-or scenario where we're going with 2 bigs.

Post #162 » by **165bows** » Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:09 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:I know that you don't necessarily want to mess with the starting lineup that went to the finals but Brogdan is one of the few 20-5-5 players. He should 100% should be starting and Smart should be the 6th man.

Disagree about starting. But agree with closing. If we're closing a game with 2 bigs, then it should be Brogdon as the PG over Smart.

A couple reasons why Smart should start, IMO:

1) We should always have two of Tatum/Brown/Brogdon on the floor. When one of Tatum/Brown sits, Brogdon needs to be on there so you have a second 20 ppg capability scorer.

2) Derrick White and Marcus Smart should play together as little as possible. It's by far the least complimentary pairing of our perimeter players. They're too duplicative of each other, with the same general strengths/weaknesses.

If you start Brogdon, it become more difficult to line your rotations up to accomplish both of those things. But down the stretch, Brogdon should absolutely be the guy in the game over Smart if it's an either-or scenario where we're going with 2 bigs.

I generally agree with this but it's probably more fair to say this is for high leverage situations. The starting lineup generally killed teams, Smart's not a huge issue finishing. It was the bench overall couldn't hold it together.

Seems like the one lineup I see that stunk pretty bad was when all of Smart/White/Grant were on the floor together at the same time. Probably other not good combos but that one sticks out as having pretty poor results - I think because then there is really only one high level offensive guy on the floor (since Horford and Rob aren't big scorers/creators). But I think they can get away with that group better with Gallinari plus one of the top three guys you mentioned, better than any similar option it had last year.

Smart/White/Grant still not a great trio but last year I just don't think they had an option to make it work. Might have been a huge issue for the bench now that I think of it - ie, the bench guys didn't play well (fit well) together.

Long story short, they are way deeper and more versatile this year, it should help a lot of guys that are good players hide their flaws better than last year.

zoyathedestroya · Post #163 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:47 pm

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Bill Lumbergh · Post #164 » by **Bill Lumbergh** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:23 pm

Good breakdown of what Brogdon will bring to the Celtics on offense by Adam Spinella.

He did use a couple of terms that I'm unfamiliar with, ie " Hostage dribble, snaking the screen". Guessing hostage dribble means when you get your defender caught on your backside in the lane, but that's just a guess. Snaking the screen, don't know.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/7/31/23276306/celticsblog-film-room-malcolm-brogdon-boston-celtics-marcus-smart-derrick-white

sam_I_am · Post #165 » by **sam_I_am** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:11 pm

NuckyPowell wrote:Good breakdown of what Brogdon will bring to the Celtics on offense by Adam Spinella.

He did use a couple of terms that I'm unfamiliar with, ie " Hostage dribble, snaking the screen". Guessing hostage dribble means when you get your defender caught on your backside in the lane, but that's just a guess. Snaking the screen, don't know.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/7/31/23276306/celticsblog-film-room-malcolm-brogdon-boston-celtics-marcus-smart-derrick-white

I think Brown will be a beneficiary of Brogdan’s game. Having a point guard who can drive and dish - especially when Tatum is sitting - should mean a lot less dribbling by Brown and less turnovers.

Post #166 » by **165bows** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 4:53 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
NuckyPowell wrote:Good breakdown of what Brogdon will bring to the Celtics on offense by Adam Spinella.

He did use a couple of terms that I'm unfamiliar with, ie " Hostage dribble, snaking the screen". Guessing hostage dribble means when you get your defender caught on your backside in the lane, but that's just a guess. Snaking the screen, don't know.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/7/31/23276306/celticsblog-film-room-malcolm-brogdon-boston-celtics-marcus-smart-derrick-white

I think Brown will be a beneficiary of Brogdan’s game. Having a point guard who can drive and dish - especially when Tatum is sitting - should mean a lot less dribbling by Brown and less turnovers.

They were a whole different team when Smart was getting in the lane and scoring with his floater game. Brogdon will help this team a ton. Just too many one dimensional guys on offense last year outside the top 2.

Hal14 · Post #167 » by **Hal14** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 11:09 pm

NuckyPowell wrote:Good breakdown of what Brogdon will bring to the Celtics on offense by Adam Spinella.

He did use a couple of terms that I'm unfamiliar with, ie " Hostage dribble, snaking the screen". Guessing hostage dribble means when you get your defender caught on your backside in the lane, but that's just a guess. Snaking the screen, don't know.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/7/31/23276306/celticsblog-film-room-malcolm-brogdon-boston-celtics-marcus-smart-derrick-white

yeah, basically. It could be anywhere on the court (but typically it's when the guard is driving into the lane) but when the ball handler has the defender right behind him and keeps him there in order to maintain the advantage with the nifty hostage dribble move.

If you have the defender right behind you, you obviously don't want to shoot it because there's a good chance you could get blocked from behind. You could just accelerate your dribble drive as you get into the lane, but then the defense will probably collapse. The hostage dribble keeps the defender out of position, while giving the impression to the other 4 defenders that the on ball defender is close enough to the ball handler that they don't need to help. So you just maintain that advantage, keep slowly driving in until you're ready to either shoot or pass it. You're basically playing a game of cat and mouse with the defense.

Snaking the screen is basically the same thing as hostage dribble drive, except rather than the ball handler driving in solo, they are accompanied by a big man teammate who sets a screen up top. The guard comes off the screen and instead of passing it, shooting it or driving in full speed, they do a hostage dribble move, and as they slowly drive in, the big man goes in towards the hoop with them - so now both the ball handler and screener are slowly going in towards the hoop - they're both playing the game of cat and mouse together. Depending on how the defense reacts, the screener can either pop pop out for a 3 or roll to the rim for a dunk - but either way, as the guard starts driving in, him and the screener make a snake-like shape - with the guard being the head and the screener being the tail of the snake. Hence, the name.

Chris Paul and Kyrie are 2 of the guys who are most known for being really good at snaking the screen when running PnR. I guess Brogdon is too, so it could really add another dimension to what we can do offensively.

Post #168 » by **165bows** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 11:42 pm

Brogdon: will score greater than 14 ppg this season. True or false?

Bill Lumbergh · Post #169 » by **Bill Lumbergh** » Tue Aug 2, 2022 12:38 am

Hal14 wrote:
NuckyPowell wrote:Good breakdown of what Brogdon will bring to the Celtics on offense by Adam Spinella.

He did use a couple of terms that I'm unfamiliar with, ie " Hostage dribble, snaking the screen". Guessing hostage dribble means when you get your defender caught on your backside in the lane, but that's just a guess. Snaking the screen, don't know.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/7/31/23276306/celticsblog-film-room-malcolm-brogdon-boston-celtics-marcus-smart-derrick-white

yeah, basically. It could be anywhere on the court (but typically it's when the guard is driving into the lane) but when the ball handler has the defender right behind him and keeps him there in order to maintain the advantage with the nifty hostage dribble move.

If you have the defender right behind you, you obviously don't want to shoot it because there's a good chance you could get blocked from behind. You could just accelerate your dribble drive as you get into the lane, but then the defense will probably collapse. The hostage dribble keeps the defender out of position, while giving the impression to the other 4 defenders that the on ball defender is close enough to the ball handler that they don't need to help. So you just maintain that advantage, keep slowly driving in until you're ready to either shoot or pass it. You're basically playing a game of cat and mouse with the defense.

Snaking the screen is basically the same thing as hostage dribble drive, except rather than the ball handler driving in solo, they are accompanied by a big man teammate who sets a screen up top. The guard comes off the screen and instead of passing it, shooting it or driving in full speed, they do a hostage dribble move, and as they slowly drive in, the big man goes in towards the hoop with them - so now both the ball handler and screener are slowly going in towards the hoop - they're both playing the game of cat and mouse together. Depending on how the defense reacts, the screener can either pop pop out for a 3 or roll to the rim for a dunk - but either way, as the guard starts driving in, him and the screener make a snake-like shape - with the guard being the head and the screener being the tail of the snake. Hence, the name.

Chris Paul and Kyrie are 2 of the guys who are most known for being really good at snaking the screen when running PnR. I guess Brogdon is too, so it could really add another dimension to what we can do offensively.

Thanks. Marcus was using that hostage dribble a lot last year. He was pretty effective at it.

zoyathedestroya · Post #170 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Tue Aug 2, 2022 12:44 am

165bows wrote:Brogdon: will score greater than 14 ppg this season. True or false?

I'll take the (slightly) under.

zoyathedestroya · Post #171 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:53 pm

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31to6 · Post #172 » by **31to6** » Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:39 pm

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SO HOT
Can’t wait to see him in green
Would’ve thought Jaylen’s TO % on this was upper 90s amirite

Hal14 · Post #173 » by **Hal14** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:34 pm

Watching this is getting me pumped to see this guy play for us:

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Dude is gonna fit like a glove.

Asian Celtic · Post #174 » by **Asian Celtic** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:41 am

What's anyone's stat projection fir Brogdon this year? 13 3 3?

exculpatory · Post #175 » by **exculpatory** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:42 am

This guy is a 4 year graduate? of one of the best universities in the USA (as is my youngest daughter & our own SamIAm - even though Sam hurt my feelings by not skiing with me at Park City just before Covid in 1/2020), thoughtful, smarter than a **** & actually speaks grammatical English, a great humanitarian ((his work in Africa is more than laudatory). AND a GREAT BALLER. Love him.