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Re: Article: Best Pistons team not the win a Title 

Post#21 » by Uncle Mxy » Tue Aug 9, 2022 9:13 pm

What gets me are the people who think we would've won it all in 1987 even if we made it past the ECF.
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Post#22 » by flow » Tue Aug 9, 2022 9:58 pm

Uncle Mxy wrote:What gets me are the people who think we would've won it all in 1987 even if we made it past the ECF.


It would have been a much closer series than it was with Boston. But I agree that the Lakers were in top form.
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Post#23 » by JerseyJungle » Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:18 am

88 Pistons. Because they DID win it, its just that one ref forgot you really need to assault someone to get a foul called in the last minute.
Then Rasheed not closing out on Horry's three pointer. It still gives me nightmares.
As someone mentioned, 5 titles were so close. And possibly 6 without the Bird steal, though granted that's more of a stretch.
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Post#24 » by Laimbeer » Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:57 pm

By SRS, fwiw

2008
2006
1989*
1988
1997
1990*
2004*
1974
1999
2007

*won title
Comments to rationalize bad contracts -
1) It's less than the MLE
2) He can be traded later
3) It's only __% of the cap
4) The cap is going up
5) It's only __ years
6) He's a good mentor/locker room guy
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Post#25 » by flow » Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:48 pm

Laimbeer wrote:By SRS, fwiw

2008
2006
1989*
1988
1997
1990*
2004*
1974
1999
2007

*won title


What's SRS?
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Post#26 » by Laimbeer » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:27 pm

flow wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:By SRS, fwiw

2008
2006
1989*
1988
1997
1990*
2004*
1974
1999
2007

*won title


SRS - Simple Rating System; a rating that takes into account average point differential and strength of schedule. The rating is denominated in points above/below average, where zero is average.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/

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Post#27 » by flow » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:52 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
flow wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:By SRS, fwiw

2008
2006
1989*
1988
1997
1990*
2004*
1974
1999
2007

*won title


SRS - Simple Rating System; a rating that takes into account average point differential and strength of schedule. The rating is denominated in points above/below average, where zero is average.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/

What's SRS?


(Looks at link)

Is it the same garbage system that concludes Andre Drummond to be the 7th best Piston of all-time?
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Post#28 » by whitehops » Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:00 pm

flow wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
flow wrote:
SRS - Simple Rating System; a rating that takes into account average point differential and strength of schedule. The rating is denominated in points above/below average, where zero is average.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/

What's SRS?


(Looks at link)

Is it the same garbage system that concludes Andre Drummond to be the 7th best Piston of all-time?


it's not... it's mainly the team's margin of victory.

* edited my post to take out my rambling about SRS.
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Post#29 » by flow » Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:05 pm

whitehops wrote:
flow wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:


(Looks at link)

Is it the same garbage system that concludes Andre Drummond to be the 7th best Piston of all-time?


it's not... but i really don't like SRS. the formula is literally margin of victory (MOV) + strength of schedule (SOS). the problem with it is that strength of schedule is a z-score while margin of victory isn't, so the strength of schedule barely impacts the MOV in the equation.

i'm not going to pretend i'd know a better way of factoring in the strength of schedule but the SRS ranks are almost identical to simple margin of victory.


Yeah. All I know is that neither '87 nor '05 even made the list. So whatever it calculates, it's not best team. Worthless.
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Post#30 » by whitehops » Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:15 pm

flow wrote:Yeah. All I know is that neither '87 nor '05 even made the list. So whatever it calculates, it's not best team. Worthless.


yeah.. it's also based on the regular season so teams that coast until the playoffs start aren't going to look as dominant as they are. the 2005 pistons had just won a ring and i'm sure saved some energy for the playoffs. in the playoffs they had the best net rating (highly correlates to SRS), most pythagorean wins, etc.

that's kind of backed up by them making it to the finals and pushing the series to 7 games. i'd personally have them as one of the best pistons teams not to win a ring.
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Post#31 » by MrBigShot » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:19 pm

I honestly liked our 07-08 team a lot. We just ran into a really damn good celtics team.
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Post#32 » by Uncle Mxy » Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:13 am

whitehops wrote:
flow wrote:Yeah. All I know is that neither '87 nor '05 even made the list. So whatever it calculates, it's not best team. Worthless.


yeah.. it's also based on the regular season so teams that coast until the playoffs start aren't going to look as dominant as they are. the 2005 pistons had just won a ring and i'm sure saved some energy for the playoffs. in the playoffs they had the best net rating (highly correlates to SRS), most pythagorean wins, etc.

Malice at the Palace was a serious wrinkle through much of the season.

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