Breaking: Kevin Durant has requested a trade; UPDATE: KD wants Sean Marks/Nash fired - Shams

[winforlose]

Look at what Rudy Gobert got.

Look at what Anthony Davis got.

KD is a far better player than both and is on a 4 year deal.

Saying we would just get Ingram is laughable. AD got Ingram, Ball, Hart and a ton of picks.

1. AD wasn’t nearly as injury prone at the time. AD was also 25 or 26 when the trade talks started. KD is 34 has played 90 games in the last 3 years.

2. KD is a flight risk on just about any team that isn’t a contender. This greatly lowers his value. His value is further lowered by his recent demand for the firing of his GM and HC. Any player who does this is a locker room cancer.

3. KD’s contract will likely decline in value relative to cost as he approaches 37.

4. The Nets should not trade KD as it is both bad for them and the league. Brooklyn will never get sufficient value to remain competitive especially if they dump Irving for picks and Westbrook. The league meanwhile will have another example of a big contract player forcing his way out. Nets need to hold the line and the NBA needs to have their backs.

1. Complete lie. AD was very injury prone. KD at 34 is 10x better than AD ever was. And he only had 1 year left where KD has 4.

2. Hes under contract for 4 years. Any player you trade for ever is a flight risk.

3. Even at 37 he can be a high level player like LeBron

4. I agree. But Durant is an idiot and wants out. What can we do?

1. KD’s worst season before the trade demand was 61 games played. He had multiple 70+ seasons and while he may have been dinged up he wasn’t nearly the risk he is now.

2. KD is extra toxic having walked away from an excellent OKC for GSW, then leaving GSW to form a super team in Brooklyn then trying to bully his way out of Brooklyn. No team not on that list can afford to gamble huge assets on a player who has history and stoops to lows of publicly demanding the firing of the GM and HC. The risk is way to high relative to the reward.

3. Not everyone is Lebron or CP3. You hope he ages well, but you don’t know. It is a risk. Everything in a trade discussion comes down to risk/reward and KD has a ton of risk. Moreover, even with Irving and Seth Curry KD could not win a single playoff game against Boston. That is telling. He may be elite, but this isn’t 2k and he isn’t a cheat code.

4. Nets can keep him and use their leverage to make him **** up and play. If he doesn’t like it then he should forfeit his best earning years and the Nets should be treated as heroes by the league who create a new procedure to compensate teams for this situation. Enough is enough.

[Jdiddy701]

Give me the Pelicans deal or I wait out until the deadline.

KD can sit out home.

I want a Ingram, Herb Jones, Devonte, and 4 first rounders plus 3 pick swaps.

Thats fair value. Not the BS deal Boston is offering.

But why would KD want to play there?

Do I give a ****? NO I do not.

New Orleans may be willing to take the gamble. What the snake wants is utterly irrelevent.

Suns fan here. I come in peace. I have been reading the Nets Forum here on RealGM for the last month. It’s pretty crappy to what Durant has done to the Nets organization. It’s crazy that I’m still hoping the Suns find a way to get a deal done for him, even though as of late I have had some doubts of him ruining a good thing we have going in Phoenix.

I do find it interesting that most Nets fan think Durant has that much trade value. I get his contract has another 4 more years but not sure the Nets will come even close to an offer like the suggested Pelicans deal above. If you’re making a deal with the Pels, probably will be Ingram straight up for KD (will need to add another player to make salaries match), but that’s pretty much it. I would think KD’s age and medical history has to be a concern for teams. If he was in his prime, we’d have a whole another story.

Having a player ask out sucks, the Suns went through it with Eric Bledsoe, who is no where near as good as Kevin Durant. Hope all goes well for you guys!


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Look at what Rudy Gobert got.

Look at what Anthony Davis got.

KD is a far better player than both and is on a 4 year deal.

Saying we would just get Ingram is laughable. AD got Ingram, Ball, Hart and a ton of picks.

Those players are/were so much younger than KD when they got traded. They also didn’t go through a serious injury like KD did. KD only played 55 games last year, 35 the year before. No doubt KD is still a top player in the league, but for how many games?


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[Tha King]

question for everyone - thoughts on going for a top 10 pick this year?

Contending with this roster obviously looks highly unlikely. With that considered, do you think adding a top 10 pick to the roster would be a good path forward?
1) This might be the only opportunity you can do so considering the Rockets roster
2) Marks has shown he can draft and he's never had even a top 15 pick
3) A top 10 pick gives you a potential chance at a franchise player to build around or a very valuable trade option next offseason
4) Allows you to wait until at least the trade deadline to see the best possible offers for KD.

[TheNetsFan]

Give me the Pelicans deal or I wait out until the deadline.

KD can sit out home.

I want a Ingram, Herb Jones, Devonte, and 4 first rounders plus 3 pick swaps.

Thats fair value. Not the BS deal Boston is offering.

But why would KD want to play there?

Do I give a ****? NO I do not.

New Orleans may be willing to take the gamble. What the snake wants is utterly irrelevent.

Suns fan here. I come in peace. I have been reading the Nets Forum here on RealGM for the last month. It’s pretty crappy to what Durant has done to the Nets organization. It’s crazy that I’m still hoping the Suns find a way to get a deal done for him, even though as of late I have had some doubts of him ruining a good thing we have going in Phoenix.

I do find it interesting that most Nets fan think Durant has that much trade value. I get his contract has another 4 more years but not sure the Nets will come even close to an offer like the suggested Pelicans deal above. If you’re making a deal with the Pels, probably will be Ingram straight up for KD (will need to add another player to make salaries match), but that’s pretty much it. I would think KD’s age and medical history has to be a concern for teams. If he was in his prime, we’d have a whole another story.

Having a player ask out sucks, the Suns went through it with Eric Bledsoe, who is no where near as good as Kevin Durant. Hope all goes well for you guys!


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Look at what Rudy Gobert got.

Look at what Anthony Davis got.

KD is a far better player than both and is on a 4 year deal.

Saying we would just get Ingram is laughable. AD got Ingram, Ball, Hart and a ton of picks.

KD should fetch more than Gobert did for sure. One would think that if the Nets would have settled for a picks based package, the Wolves would have sent that deal to Brooklyn for KD over Gobert. The fact that the Nets want a a high end young player complicates things, because teams that deal for KD want to win now, which makes it difficult top find that right balance of paying true market value for KD and still having enough to be a Championship favorite. You're looking for teams with a high end second star or blue chip prospect. It's basically the Harden to Philly trade (Simmons (young all-star)+Curry (starting caliber role player)+2 picks) with some extra picks or swaps. Given that, the teams that best meet that template are:

Boston (Brown+ starter/rotation player + picks) - This deal makes Boston a potential Championship favorite.

Toronto (Barnes/Siakam+Trent/OG+picks) - This makes the Raptors better, but I'm not sure if they become title favorites, especially if they deal Siakam instead of Barnes. Personally, I think if you deal for KD I would rather keep the better win now pieces. Dealing Siakam instead of Barnes feels like one foot in & one foot out.

NOLA (Ingram+starter/rotation player + picks) - They're a perfect match from the Nets perspective, but I don't think KD alone makes them a title favorite. If they were willing to go truly high risk/high reward (KD-Zion-Irving core), including a CJ-Irving swap might make KD more willing to land there. It would also get them unprecedented (by NOLA standards) national coverage.

Phoenix (Ayton+Bridges+Cam+picks) - KD makes them a bit better, but I'm not sure it makes the Suns clear favorites or gives the Nets the high end young player they want (depending on your belief in Ayton & whether the Nets would actually pay big money for a big).

[winforlose]

Good one.

Dunno about those relationships being completely shot, though. Evidently Durant is still a fan of Harden, and wouldn't mind playing with him in Philly.

Not funny. 76ers lack picks. Maxey is an included in not a headliner in the deal. Tobias Harris isn’t a positive asset. Thybulle is at best filler at worst a you keep him and give us something else. 76ers have no blue chips outside of Embiid and Harden. Harden isn’t going back to the Nets, which leaves Embiid. Embiid, Maxey, and fill in the blank plus 29 and pick swaps is probably the best bet to get this done. But, Embiid cannot be traded this year.

And what universe do you live in exactly if you imagine the Sixers trading Embiid for KD, even straight-up?

Just because that might be the Sixer's only viable offer doesn't mean there's a chance in hell of them even considering that move. It's preposterous. If anything, the Nets would be the ones needing to throw in picks, which makes no sense for BRK's need to replenish the lost Harden picks.

That is a debate for a poll. I think KD is more valuable than Embiid you think the opposite. I think that is a great question but at the end of the day a KD reunion with Harden and a Simmons and Embiid reunion is a bad idea.

[Jdiddy701]

Suns fan here. I come in peace. I have been reading the Nets Forum here on RealGM for the last month. It’s pretty crappy to what Durant has done to the Nets organization. It’s crazy that I’m still hoping the Suns find a way to get a deal done for him, even though as of late I have had some doubts of him ruining a good thing we have going in Phoenix.

I do find it interesting that most Nets fan think Durant has that much trade value. I get his contract has another 4 more years but not sure the Nets will come even close to an offer like the suggested Pelicans deal above. If you’re making a deal with the Pels, probably will be Ingram straight up for KD (will need to add another player to make salaries match), but that’s pretty much it. I would think KD’s age and medical history has to be a concern for teams. If he was in his prime, we’d have a whole another story.

Having a player ask out sucks, the Suns went through it with Eric Bledsoe, who is no where near as good as Kevin Durant. Hope all goes well for you guys!


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Look at what Rudy Gobert got.

Look at what Anthony Davis got.

KD is a far better player than both and is on a 4 year deal.

Saying we would just get Ingram is laughable. AD got Ingram, Ball, Hart and a ton of picks.

It's crazy how fans of these teams on KD's wishlist all say he doesn't have any value but they're all salivating to add this loser to their teams.

I’m not saying he doesn’t have value but probably not the value that most think, which is why Sean Marks probably hasn’t made a trade.

Of course I’d be extremely happy to add KD to CP3, Booker, and Ayton because if KD were to get hurt, the Suns would somewhat still have a competitive team. Our hope would be to get into the playoffs with KD and CP3 healthy.


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[gigantes]

That is a debate for a poll. I think KD is more valuable than Embiid you think the opposite. I think that is a great question but at the end of the day a KD reunion with Harden and a Simmons and Embiid reunion is a bad idea.

Of course it's not a debate for a poll. Any poll is just going to tell you that Embiid for KD straight-up is a disaster for Philly and a wet dream for BRK. Or, go ahead and run that poll in the NBA forums, and if I'm wrong, I'll eat crow as you like.

Dude-- have you actually thought this through from a Sixers' POV? Embiid's 28yo, in or entering his prime, the absolute centerpiece of his team, and the guy they've been building around for years in order to win a chip, with presumably another ~five years of opportunity in front of them. Not to mention, he's been a good soldier, loyal to the team, and hasn't tried to meddle in team decisions AFAIK.

Tell me why, oh why in the world they'd trade that centerpiece for a significantly older dude constantly bringing drama, dictating significant team decisions, who's now bailed on three straight contenders? Not to mention, a rail-thin tall guy with far greater injury concerns.

Btw, I see you've also doubled-down on Durant and Harden not getting along, which once again doesn't seem to be true. SOURCES:

1) Begley-
https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-kevin-durant-celtics-landing-spot-marcus-smart-trade

2) Clark-

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[winforlose]

That is a debate for a poll. I think KD is more valuable than Embiid you think the opposite. I think that is a great question but at the end of the day a KD reunion with Harden and a Simmons and Embiid reunion is a bad idea.

Of course it's not a debate for a poll. Any poll is just going to tell you that Embiid for KD straight-up is a disaster for Philly and a wet dream for BRK. Or, go ahead and run that poll in the NBA forums, and if I'm wrong, I'll eat crow as you like.

Dude-- have you actually thought this through from a Sixers' POV? Embiid's 28yo, in or entering his prime, the absolute centerpiece of his team, and the guy they've been building around for years in order to win a chip, with presumably another ~five years of opportunity in front of them. Not to mention, he's been a good soldier, loyal to the team, and hasn't tried to meddle in team decisions AFAIK.

Tell me why, oh why in the world they'd trade that centerpiece for a significantly older dude constantly bringing drama, dictating significant team decisions, who's now bailed on three straight contenders? Not to mention, a rail-thin tall guy with far greater injury concerns.

Btw, I see you've also doubled-down on Durant and Harden not getting along, which once again doesn't seem to be true. SOURCES:

1) Begley-
https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-kevin-durant-celtics-landing-spot-marcus-smart-trade

2) Clark-

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Durant wouldn’t pick Harden for the all star game. Maybe they healed that relationship, IHDK. But I am not just speculating without some reasonable basis.

Regarding the age and longevity issue, I worry about Embiid’s knees and legs in general. Big men like him tend to decline younger than smaller more agile bigs. I may create the poll. Not sure yet. You could if you want.

[gigantes]

https://youtu.be/qkKU_h30afw

Durant wouldn’t pick Harden for the all star game. Maybe they healed that relationship, IHDK. But I am not just speculating without some reasonable basis.

Regarding the age and longevity issue, I worry about Embiid’s knees and legs in general. Big men like him tend to decline younger than smaller more agile bigs. I may create the poll. Not sure yet. You could if you want.

Alright, good points.

I do think the all-star snub was perfectly reasonable considering that Harden had b-tched his way off the team only one month earlier. Like when a good buddy disses you, it's pretty normal to give them grief right back without doing something drastic like ending the friendship.

I'll grant you that Joel's injury history and prognosis is definitely a concern, but it's also pretty clear that the Sixers have & are willing to roll with it and stick with him. Another thing I forgot to mention above is that Philly trading Embiid for KD would almost certainly be seen as a type of betrayal of both the player and the fanbase. I can almost guarantee you it would also be seen as a truly WTF, unnecessary panic move by the team, and that's just not Morey's style at all. In short, no way Philly wants any of that grief as part of their reputation.

Not to mention, from what I've read, the analysts and fanbase are feeling distinctly good about this offseason's moves. "If it ain't broke, don't break it." --Charles Oakley

Thanks, but I have no reason to make such a poll, as I'm already confident in the answer. If I felt unsure of things, that would be a different story. As I said tho, I agree to eat crow publicly if proven wrong. I don't have sigs turned on, but assuming they're still an option, I could add something self-embarrassing for example, like for a month.

[wadenation305]

Guys take the Rudy Gobert trade out of your mind. That was a robbery because minny is the equivalent of a blind baby in a cradle, and Ainge is a goon. The rest of the NBA is not a joke like minny.

[winforlose]

https://youtu.be/qkKU_h30afw

Durant wouldn’t pick Harden for the all star game. Maybe they healed that relationship, IHDK. But I am not just speculating without some reasonable basis.

Regarding the age and longevity issue, I worry about Embiid’s knees and legs in general. Big men like him tend to decline younger than smaller more agile bigs. I may create the poll. Not sure yet. You could if you want.

Alright, good points.

I do think the all-star snub was perfectly reasonable considering that Harden had b-tched his way off the team only one month earlier. Like when a good buddy disses you, it's pretty normal to give them grief right back without doing something drastic like ending the friendship.

I'll grant you that Joel's injury history and prognosis is definitely a concern, but it's also pretty clear that the Sixers have & are willing to roll with it and stick with him. Another thing I forgot to mention above is that Philly trading Embiid for KD would almost certainly be seen as a type of betrayal of both the player and the fanbase. I can almost guarantee you it would also be seen as a truly WTF, unnecessary panic move by the team, and that's just not Morey's style at all. In short, no way Philly wants any of that grief as part of their reputation.

Thanks, but I have no reason to make such a poll, as I'm already confident in the answer. If I felt unsure of things, that would be a different story. As I said tho, I agree to eat crow publicly if proven wrong. I don't have sigs turned on, but assuming they're still an option, I could add something self-embarrassing for example, like for a month.

No crow necessary in any event. I thought of a way to phrase it and posted it. Early results have you in front by 1. I can edit this post with a link to it. To be clear I wouldn’t do the trade even if it was possible, I just don’t see the 76ers getting KD for Maxey and junk with pick swaps.

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[MrDollarBills]

That is a debate for a poll. I think KD is more valuable than Embiid you think the opposite. I think that is a great question but at the end of the day a KD reunion with Harden and a Simmons and Embiid reunion is a bad idea.

Of course it's not a debate for a poll. Any poll is just going to tell you that Embiid for KD straight-up is a disaster for Philly and a wet dream for BRK. Or, go ahead and run that poll in the NBA forums, and if I'm wrong, I'll eat crow as you like.

Dude-- have you actually thought this through from a Sixers' POV? Embiid's 28yo, in or entering his prime, the absolute centerpiece of his team, and the guy they've been building around for years in order to win a chip, with presumably another ~five years of opportunity in front of them. Not to mention, he's been a good soldier, loyal to the team, and hasn't tried to meddle in team decisions AFAIK.

Tell me why, oh why in the world they'd trade that centerpiece for a significantly older dude constantly bringing drama, dictating significant team decisions, who's now bailed on three straight contenders? Not to mention, a rail-thin tall guy with far greater injury concerns.

Btw, I see you've also doubled-down on Durant and Harden not getting along, which once again doesn't seem to be true. SOURCES:

1) Begley-
https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-kevin-durant-celtics-landing-spot-marcus-smart-trade

2) Clark-

Read on Twitter

https://youtu.be/qkKU_h30afw

Durant wouldn’t pick Harden for the all star game. Maybe they healed that relationship, IHDK. But I am not just speculating without some reasonable basis.

Regarding the age and longevity issue, I worry about Embiid’s knees and legs in general. Big men like him tend to decline younger than smaller more agile bigs. I may create the poll. Not sure yet. You could if you want.

Harden and Durant are literally traveling through Europe together.

[MrDollarBills]

Guys take the Rudy Gobert trade out of your mind. That was a robbery because minny is the equivalent of a blind baby in a cradle, and Ainge is a goon. The rest of the NBA is not a joke like minny.

That's fine, but the Nets do not have to trade Durant for dog sh*t like fans of other teams want us to do.

The only team that has come at us correct is Boston. That's it. Every one else has offered crap.

[winforlose]

https://youtu.be/qkKU_h30afw

Durant wouldn’t pick Harden for the all star game. Maybe they healed that relationship, IHDK. But I am not just speculating without some reasonable basis.

Regarding the age and longevity issue, I worry about Embiid’s knees and legs in general. Big men like him tend to decline younger than smaller more agile bigs. I may create the poll. Not sure yet. You could if you want.

Alright, good points.

I do think the all-star snub was perfectly reasonable considering that Harden had b-tched his way off the team only one month earlier. Like when a good buddy disses you, it's pretty normal to give them grief right back without doing something drastic like ending the friendship.

I'll grant you that Joel's injury history and prognosis is definitely a concern, but it's also pretty clear that the Sixers have & are willing to roll with it and stick with him. Another thing I forgot to mention above is that Philly trading Embiid for KD would almost certainly be seen as a type of betrayal of both the player and the fanbase. I can almost guarantee you it would also be seen as a truly WTF, unnecessary panic move by the team, and that's just not Morey's style at all. In short, no way Philly wants any of that grief as part of their reputation.

Not to mention, from what I've read, the analysts and fanbase are feeling distinctly good about this offseason's moves. "If it ain't broke, don't break it." --Charles Oakley

Thanks, but I have no reason to make such a poll, as I'm already confident in the answer. If I felt unsure of things, that would be a different story. As I said tho, I agree to eat crow publicly if proven wrong. I don't have sigs turned on, but assuming they're still an option, I could add something self-embarrassing for example, like for a month.

Looks like you were right. Though I wonder how opinions will change with time.

[haosmoove]

question for everyone - thoughts on going for a top 10 pick this year?

Contending with this roster obviously looks highly unlikely. With that considered, do you think adding a top 10 pick to the roster would be a good path forward?
1) This might be the only opportunity you can do so considering the Rockets roster
2) Marks has shown he can draft and he's never had even a top 15 pick
3) A top 10 pick gives you a potential chance at a franchise player to build around or a very valuable trade option next offseason
4) Allows you to wait until at least the trade deadline to see the best possible offers for KD.

Having a top 10 (outside of top 3 due to pick swap making us top 3 extremely unlikely) pick turn into a franchise player is possible, but the chance of that is so low it's not worth talking about.

The reasoning that Marks can turn a top 10 pick into a franchise player at a much better rate than league average is flawed. It would first require multiple GMs to pass at the player. Also, if this hypothesis is true, that would mean the value of a high draft pick is so much more to the Nets (with Marks at GM) than other teams. The correct move would be to trade all assets years ago for as many high picks as possible, then flip the players the following draft for more picks, rinse and repeat. Unlike signing establish stars, this process can be repeated infinitely without the worry of salary cap. Again, if Marks really believes in himself, he would have gotten himself in the lottery instead of staying in the late first / second round area.

[wadenation305]

Guys take the Rudy Gobert trade out of your mind. That was a robbery because minny is the equivalent of a blind baby in a cradle, and Ainge is a goon. The rest of the NBA is not a joke like minny.

That's fine, but the Nets do not have to trade Durant for dog sh*t like fans of other teams want us to do.

The only team that has come at us correct is Boston. That's it. Every one else has offered crap.

And that's ok the Nets or Boston can keep him. I rather the other trade my Heat lined up. Better balance without gutting the team for a 34 year old walking injury diva. Honestly I just want you guys to do something already cause Riley isn't willing to proceed until this comes to conclusion.

[Papi_swav]

Of course it's not a debate for a poll. Any poll is just going to tell you that Embiid for KD straight-up is a disaster for Philly and a wet dream for BRK. Or, go ahead and run that poll in the NBA forums, and if I'm wrong, I'll eat crow as you like.

Dude-- have you actually thought this through from a Sixers' POV? Embiid's 28yo, in or entering his prime, the absolute centerpiece of his team, and the guy they've been building around for years in order to win a chip, with presumably another ~five years of opportunity in front of them. Not to mention, he's been a good soldier, loyal to the team, and hasn't tried to meddle in team decisions AFAIK.

Tell me why, oh why in the world they'd trade that centerpiece for a significantly older dude constantly bringing drama, dictating significant team decisions, who's now bailed on three straight contenders? Not to mention, a rail-thin tall guy with far greater injury concerns.

Btw, I see you've also doubled-down on Durant and Harden not getting along, which once again doesn't seem to be true. SOURCES:

1) Begley-
https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-kevin-durant-celtics-landing-spot-marcus-smart-trade

2) Clark-

Read on Twitter

https://youtu.be/qkKU_h30afw

Durant wouldn’t pick Harden for the all star game. Maybe they healed that relationship, IHDK. But I am not just speculating without some reasonable basis.

Regarding the age and longevity issue, I worry about Embiid’s knees and legs in general. Big men like him tend to decline younger than smaller more agile bigs. I may create the poll. Not sure yet. You could if you want.

Harden and Durant are literally traveling through Europe together.

awww I bet they're holding hands together too and tucking each other in bed at night

[NYSixersFan]

There is less than zero chance the Sixers would trade Embiid for Durant straight up....or trade Embiid at all.

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[MrDollarBills]

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you really think we're trading Durant for your roleplayers?