KD or Embiid hypothetical

[winforlose]

In reality Embiid cannot be moved this year. In this hypothetical he can be. Is Embiid enough to straight trade for KD, does either team need to add picks or young players? If yes which one?

[WillyJakkz]

I know you spent time on this but why in the world make a thread to trade Embiid to the Nets when the guy despised playing with Ben Simmons? This will never happen, it'd probably even get declined on 2k.

[winforlose]

I know you spent time on this but why in the world make a thread to trade Embiid to the Nets when the guy despised playing with Ben Simmons? This will never happen, it'd probably even get declined on 2k.

I don’t like the trade. The poll is a function of a debate on the trade thread where I said there is no KD trade for Maxey, Thybulle, and Harris. I said it would need to start with Embiid and the guy disagreed.

[iggymcfrack]

Embiid's much more valuable than KD at this point in their respective careers. He was significantly better last year and he's 5 years younger. I honestly don't see what the Nets could potentially add to the deal that would make it worthwhile for Philly to trade Embiid.

[winforlose]

Embiid's much more valuable than KD at this point in their respective careers. He was significantly better last year and he's 5 years younger. I honestly don't see what the Nets could potentially add to the deal that would make it worthwhile for Philly to trade Embiid.

Flip side is Embiid has knee/leg issues and big men of his size and skill set tend to decline younger. If you think KD is going to age better than Embiid you see the value.

[Bornstellar]

Current KD is not worth more than current Embiid

[phanman]

A 34yo KD with even more injury woes now than Joel is not worth a 28yo in his prime Embiid that just finished b2b runner up for MVP.

[KingDavid]

Is this satire? 34 y/o KD is not worth PRIME Embiid.

[winforlose]

Is this satire? 34 y/o KD is not worth PRIME Embiid.

I guess you guys have more faith in Embiid staying healthy and functional over the next 3-4 years than I do.

[eyeatoma]

At peak obviously a different discussion. Right now, this is insulting to talk about.

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[gigantes]

Is this satire? 34 y/o KD is not worth PRIME Embiid.

TBF, the reason this thread exists is because I rudely challenged OP to post it up, and he put his money where his mouth was and delivered.

For the record, I personally don't believe current KD is more valuable than current Embiid, and I think Philly doing a deal like that is a straight disaster for them in all kinds of different ways. If I'm Morey, I'd definitely need BRK to throw in an enticing pick package, but that doesn't make any sense for the Nets, as they're trying to replenish the lost picks in the Harden swaps, not send more away.

That said, respect to OP for running the hypothetical whereas I was smug about not doing so.

[BobbyPortisEyes]

There isn't any combination of players on the Nets that the Sixers would trade Embiid for and the Nets also don't have enough picks.

[iggymcfrack]

Embiid's much more valuable than KD at this point in their respective careers. He was significantly better last year and he's 5 years younger. I honestly don't see what the Nets could potentially add to the deal that would make it worthwhile for Philly to trade Embiid.

Flip side is Embiid has knee/leg issues and big men of his size and skill set tend to decline younger. If you think KD is going to age better than Embiid you see the value.

Embiid's played an average of 57 games over the last 3 seasons. Durant played 55, 35, and 0 the last 3 seasons. Durant doesn't even have a durability edge any more. Also shot blocking big men don't really decline young at all. They often peak late into their career. Embiid's still getting better. He just had his best season last year at age 27. Durant is clearly in his decline phase already and will likely be much worse before Embiid even begins to decline at all.

[winforlose]

Embiid's much more valuable than KD at this point in their respective careers. He was significantly better last year and he's 5 years younger. I honestly don't see what the Nets could potentially add to the deal that would make it worthwhile for Philly to trade Embiid.

Flip side is Embiid has knee/leg issues and big men of his size and skill set tend to decline younger. If you think KD is going to age better than Embiid you see the value.

Embiid's played an average of 57 games over the last 3 seasons. Durant played 55, 35, and 0 the last 3 seasons. Durant doesn't even have a durability edge any more. Also shot blocking big men don't really decline young at all. They often peak late into their career. Embiid's still getting better. He just had his best season last year at age 27. Durant is clearly in his decline phase already and will likely be much worse before Embiid even begins to decline at all.

All fair points, many of which I have raised myself elsewhere regarding Durant. Personally I have less faith in a Embiid’s health and longevity, but my opinion does not seem to be shared. If health were not a factor I would agree 100% with your analysis. Time will tell if Embiid’s body can hold up.

[ken6199]

Also keep in mind that Embiid played 31 games in his first three seasons, and zero post seasons during that time. KD came out college as freshman, with significantly more miles on his body.

Embiid just needs to manage his weight to avoid the "bigman" injuries I think he will be solid throughout his contract extension.

[gigantes]

..Durant is clearly in his decline phase already and will likely be much worse before Embiid even begins to decline at all.

Say what you want about Durant's injury concerns or other stuff, but IMO it's neither fair nor accurate to say he's in decline.

On the contrary, he's had two amazing seasons from every measure I know of, coming back from what used to be a career-killing injury. Let's also not forget that his one injury last season was caused by someone barreling in to Bruce Brown, who wound up slamming in to KD's lower legs. Anyone can get injured with shizzle like that.

KD's not immortal of course, and I expect a decline soon enough, but let's be real-- he's still crushing it on the court.

That said, I think whoever picks him up needs to manage his minutes better than he himself did last season. Too many games (and the playoffs), he exhausted himself and became less efficient late-ish in games. For example, he averaged 44mpg a couple months ago against Boston, and it wasn't pretty, shooting-wise. (of course all credit to the Celts for also being an excellent defensive team)

[madmaxmedia]

What if the Nets threw in Ben Simmons?

[hoosierdaddy34]

Embiid lives, breathes and dies Philly. KD is committed to no one. Aside from the fact Embiid is younger. They are pretty close value wise but it would be crazy for the Sixers to move Embiid for KD from a culture perspective.

[iggymcfrack]

..Durant is clearly in his decline phase already and will likely be much worse before Embiid even begins to decline at all.

Say what you want about Durant's injury concerns or other stuff, but IMO it's neither fair nor accurate to say he's in decline.

On the contrary, he's had two amazing seasons from every measure I know of, coming back from what used to be a career-killing injury. Let's also not forget that his one injury last season was caused by someone barreling in to Bruce Brown, who wound up slamming in to KD's lower legs. Anyone can get injured with shizzle like that.

KD's not immortal of course, and I expect a decline soon enough, but let's be real-- he's still crushing it on the court.

That said, I think whoever picks him up needs to manage his minutes better than he himself did last season. Too many games (and the playoffs), he exhausted himself and became less efficient late-ish in games. For example, he averaged 44mpg a couple months ago against Boston, and it wasn't pretty, shooting-wise. (of course all credit to the Celts for also being an excellent defensive team)

Regular season: 2nd worst PER since 2011. Worst WS/48 since 2011. Tied for 2nd-worst BPM since 2012.
Postseason: Worst PER ever, worst WS/48 ever, worst BPM ever.

All of that when he's struggling to stay on the floor ever since a very serious injury? I think it's absolutely fair to say decline. I mean, it's not like he's fallen off a cliff like Harden or something. He's still one of the top 10 players in the league. But is he just as good as he was before the injury? I don't think so. He got straight up embarrassed by Boston. He couldn't even take one dribble without getting stripped.

[Cubbies2120]

..Durant is clearly in his decline phase already and will likely be much worse before Embiid even begins to decline at all.

Say what you want about Durant's injury concerns or other stuff, but IMO it's neither fair nor accurate to say he's in decline.

On the contrary, he's had two amazing seasons from every measure I know of, coming back from what used to be a career-killing injury. Let's also not forget that his one injury last season was caused by someone barreling in to Bruce Brown, who wound up slamming in to KD's lower legs. Anyone can get injured with shizzle like that.

KD's not immortal of course, and I expect a decline soon enough, but let's be real-- he's still crushing it on the court.

That said, I think whoever picks him up needs to manage his minutes better than he himself did last season. Too many games (and the playoffs), he exhausted himself and became less efficient late-ish in games. For example, he averaged 44mpg a couple months ago against Boston, and it wasn't pretty, shooting-wise. (of course all credit to the Celts for also being an excellent defensive team)

Regular season: 2nd worst PER since 2011. Worst WS/48 since 2011. Tied for 2nd-worst BPM since 2012.
Postseason: Worst PER ever, worst WS/48 ever, worst BPM ever.

All of that when he's struggling to stay on the floor ever since a very serious injury? I think it's absolutely fair to say decline. I mean, it's not like he's fallen off a cliff like Harden or something. He's still one of the top 10 players in the league. But is he just as good as he was before the injury? I don't think so. He got straight up embarrassed by Boston. He couldn't even take one dribble without getting stripped.

He's a year removed from one of his best postseasons of his career...which he put up after his injury.

The fact that he played the best defensive team in the NBA may have had something to do with his poor playoff performance.