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Post#121 » by LDNMagic90 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:26 am

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LDNMagic90 wrote:So Gerrard, Lampard, Hasenhuttl, Lage and Rodgers are the managers favourite to lose their jobs.

Gerrard is starting to pull away from the other managers being the favourite to be sacked (totally agree).

I can't see Rodgers being sacked, unless something crazy happens. Maybe he could leave his post but I would not understand why he would?

Everton fans seem to like Lampard so I'm not sure on that front.

Hasenhuttl I could see him leaving to be honest, he was close to last season but stayed on.

Lage possibly I can see him being made a scapegoat if Wolves struggle.


The PL manager merry go round. It's stupid. It seems that these days more than half of the PL managers get sacked each year and more than ever even before christmas.

The reality is that even though the PL teams get a ridiculous amount of money it is still impossible for most of the teams to even dream of finishing higher than 7th and getting the last European place. We have made the PL into a stronghold for the stupid spenders. However the large amount of money that the lower teams gets has increased the pressure on managers (and to a lesser extent players) because they are "earning" salaries that the fans can only dream about.

The five managers you've listed are in charge of clubs that are really unlikely to make Europe ("Big" 6 and West Ham must be clear favourites) but the fans will not be happy with those teams only competing for a top half finish even though that is the reality.

As for the individuals I've always said that managers should have to work there way through the ranks - as assistants and then lower league managers to learn the job. Gerrard and Lampard haven't yet had the chance to do that, so they are still learning on a daily basis, Hassenhuttl is a manager I have a lot of time for. Yes Southampton drop away badly every season but they also have times when they can beat anyone, they're Southampton, not Chelsea. Southampton would be daft to sack him. Brendan, has his problems but he's a decent coach. A lower prem level team is his level, but he annoys the fans (some of them) because the fans have become spoiled over the recent past and because he is apparently on £10m a year. the type of money that fans think should be earned by miracle workers. I've not wanted him sacked, even through the difficult times of last year and eventually we ended up where we deserved 8th and a European Semi-final but our goals have to be at 6th or 7th to make Europe so I understand why he's on the list. Only using 1 sub when your players are tired as he did in the first match of the season was poor management but you have to take the good with the bad. Lage I don't really know well enough but if wolves fans expect better than last year they are going to be disappointed, a top half finish with any coach is the best they should be thinking off. It's also a new league for Lage and takes time to adapt to, though personally I wouldn't have sacked their previous manager.

As for Leicester I'd only want Brendan to go if we had a better younger coach who wanted to coach us. Only Potter really gets me excited as a replacement.


Mate you’ve hit the nail on the head. I think us fans that don’t support a top 6 teams have slight delusions of grandeur when it comes to the premier league. The amount of entitled Villa fans these days I’ve come across is ridiculous. I get backing your team and I’m always going to be bias towards Villa but to get 7th in this league it’s a blood bath. Look how many strong teams that sit between 7th-14th, there’s normally about 8 points between those positions recently but of course to fans if they finished 12th they won’t be happy.

If Gerrard leaves or does get sacked I would want someone with experience and can get us to utilise the squad. We do need replacements yes for upgrading a position, but we need a manager to improve our players that are here already. Which Gerrard hasn’t really done outside of Cash and Ramsey.
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Post#122 » by Baseline81 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:55 pm

LDNMagic90 wrote:Mate you’ve hit the nail on the head. I think us fans that don’t support a top 6 teams have slight delusions of grandeur when it comes to the premier league. The amount of entitled Villa fans these days I’ve come across is ridiculous. I get backing your team and I’m always going to be bias towards Villa but to get 7th in this league it’s a blood bath. Look how many strong teams that sit between 7th-14th, there’s normally about 8 points between those positions recently but of course to fans if they finished 12th they won’t be happy.

If Gerrard leaves or does get sacked I would want someone with experience and can get us to utilise the squad. We do need replacements yes for upgrading a position, but we need a manager to improve our players that are here already. Which Gerrard hasn’t really done outside of Cash and Ramsey.

There's no reason Aston Villa, with the amount the club is capable of spending, cannot battle the likes of West Ham and Leicester City.
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Post#123 » by LDNMagic90 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:45 pm

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LDNMagic90 wrote:Mate you’ve hit the nail on the head. I think us fans that don’t support a top 6 teams have slight delusions of grandeur when it comes to the premier league. The amount of entitled Villa fans these days I’ve come across is ridiculous. I get backing your team and I’m always going to be bias towards Villa but to get 7th in this league it’s a blood bath. Look how many strong teams that sit between 7th-14th, there’s normally about 8 points between those positions recently but of course to fans if they finished 12th they won’t be happy.

If Gerrard leaves or does get sacked I would want someone with experience and can get us to utilise the squad. We do need replacements yes for upgrading a position, but we need a manager to improve our players that are here already. Which Gerrard hasn’t really done outside of Cash and Ramsey.

There's no reason Aston Villa, with the amount the club is capable of spending, cannot battle the likes of West Ham and Leicester City.


Very true, we have all the resources for a manager to suceed and that's what is holding us back in my opinion. I think if we had a better manager we would look a lot better.
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Post#124 » by HIF » Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:33 pm

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LDNMagic90 wrote:Mate you’ve hit the nail on the head. I think us fans that don’t support a top 6 teams have slight delusions of grandeur when it comes to the premier league. The amount of entitled Villa fans these days I’ve come across is ridiculous. I get backing your team and I’m always going to be bias towards Villa but to get 7th in this league it’s a blood bath. Look how many strong teams that sit between 7th-14th, there’s normally about 8 points between those positions recently but of course to fans if they finished 12th they won’t be happy.

If Gerrard leaves or does get sacked I would want someone with experience and can get us to utilise the squad. We do need replacements yes for upgrading a position, but we need a manager to improve our players that are here already. Which Gerrard hasn’t really done outside of Cash and Ramsey.

There's no reason Aston Villa, with the amount the club is capable of spending, cannot battle the likes of West Ham and Leicester City.


You've missed the point. Villa can challenge West Ham and Leicester, but so can Everton, Newcastle, Leeds, Wolves, Palace, Brighton and others. But most likely only 1 or maybe 2 of those have a chance of making it to europe.
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Post#125 » by UcanUwill » Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:37 am

I don't really understand what teams like Villa expect from their team if they so hostile towards their coach, dudes, you are not competing for Europe one way or another. But maybe I am in defense mode for Gerrard.
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Post#126 » by HIF » Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:52 am

UcanUwill wrote:I don't really understand what teams like Villa expect from their team if they so hostile towards their coach, dudes, you are not competing for Europe one way or another. But maybe I am in defense mode for Gerrard.


Villa fans were discussing signing Tielemans this week. Why would he go to Villa? No disrespect but the chances of them playing in Europe in the foreseeable future are small, even smaller than our own chances. All fans have unrealistic expectaions when it comes to their own club.
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Post#127 » by LDNMagic90 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:41 am

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UcanUwill wrote:I don't really understand what teams like Villa expect from their team if they so hostile towards their coach, dudes, you are not competing for Europe one way or another. But maybe I am in defense mode for Gerrard.


Villa fans were discussing signing Tielemans this week. Why would he go to Villa? No disrespect but the chances of them playing in Europe in the foreseeable future are small, even smaller than our own chances. All fans have unrealistic expectaions when it comes to their own club.


I'll reply to both so it's easier.

UcanUwill - With the Conference league every fan of a team that is midtable are going to think they will be able to compete to get there. You also have to remember 2 seasons ago, it was only a covid outbreak that ruined our chances of finishing in the top half and possibly getting a European spot. If you look at the history of the PL 55 points normally gets you into a European spot. Then to add on Christian Purslow (Our CEO) who happens to be Liverpool's ex CEO (or something of that capacity) saying he was disappointed in our previous manager not getting Europe. He gets Gerrard to come in for that purpose and we look like we have faltering, It's hard to argue to keep someone when they have 2 wins in 12 with those 2 wins coming against relegated sides. For most Villa fans we've had a series of sh*t managers so when it gets to this point we kind of get negative and will think it's another wasted appointment. I get why Liverpool fans will get defensive over Gerrard though he's a legend for you guys at the end of the day, but for us as I said before most Villa fans feel slightly disconnected from the club due to losing both highly regarded(amongst Villa fans) fans of the club (Grealish and Dean Smith). To then appointing what seems like Purlsow's mate from his days at Liverpool - Gerrard. Gerrard pretty much has everything at his disposal to do what he wants to implement, I get that it takes a while to get ideas across but we haven't seen anything other than his first 6 games with us to suggest his ideas are clicking. It could be either him or the players who knows.

HIF- I think a lot of Villa fans are delusional for the most part, I mean most fans are but Villa can jar me even as a fan. Yes we have the 4th richest owners in the PL, but because we haven't thrown 70 mil at someone most fans get pissy about everything and it becomes doom and gloom (also goes back to the point of what we see on the pitch). Tielemans is not realistic for us, he has openly said he wants a champions league club and no offense to your team or anything but I know he has a bit of a history of not putting effort in when he wants to leave (I'm sure he did it to get his move to Leicester in the first place). Our owners are a God send, without them we would probably be in League 1 somewhere but they have pumped so much money into our academy, our first team, now our stadium and we have a huge inner city academy that has got its permissions to commence building from this year. Also they have planning permissions to possibly build an additional train station to help, however due to some spoilt teens and some man children because we haven't signed x player we are going down etc etc. It gets draining looking at some Villa fans.

Edit - just to add on to those points before last season, Villa's last 5 years have seen huge jumps which are not usually normal for teams. We went from 14th in the championship to promotion, to surviving on the last day of the PL to finishing 11th in the PL.
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Post#128 » by LDNMagic90 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:39 am

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So two things 1) You guys should follow this account if you have a Twitter account, he's amazing at breaking down tactics from different teams. He used to be a scout but still works in football in some capacity but his insight is amazing.

2) This thread about our game against Bournemouth is basically what I mean with Gerrard's tactics and his approach to games, our midfielders should not be leaving so much space in between lines when we are attacking. It reminds me of school when one of your mates gets on the ball and everyone wants to rush forward. This has been instructed by our coaching staff and I hope they cut this nonsense out.
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Post#129 » by HIF » Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:17 pm

I think you were stupid to sack Dean Smith who had Villa at his heart.
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Post#130 » by LDNMagic90 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:30 pm

HIF wrote:I think you were stupid to sack Dean Smith who had Villa at his heart.


Agreed, it's just a shame he went on that poor run of games. I had the most fun in a while when he was managing us, I don't think i'll get to experience having a Villa fan as a manager and captain ever again.

Let's see how Gerrard gets us to respond tomorrow vs Everton.
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Post#131 » by HIF » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:49 pm

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HIF wrote:I think you were stupid to sack Dean Smith who had Villa at his heart.


Agreed, it's just a shame he went on that poor run of games. I had the most fun in a while when he was managing us, I don't think i'll get to experience having a Villa fan as a manager and captain ever again.

Let's see how Gerrard gets us to respond tomorrow vs Everton.


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Post#132 » by UcanUwill » Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:25 pm

I support Gerrard, go Villa, 1-0 at a half, looking good.
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Post#133 » by Shaazzam » Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:58 pm

C'mon you foxes!

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Post#134 » by Shaazzam » Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:37 pm

Lol looks like I jinxed it
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Post#135 » by Baphomet » Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:03 pm

Shaazzam wrote:C'mon you foxes!

Hate arsenal lol


Checking my phone to see Arsenal and City are already cruising

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Post#136 » by HIF » Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:06 pm

Arsenal are playing the best football I've seen them play in years in the first half. deserve their lead but I must say VAR overturning the penalty is a joke - never would happen for a big 6 team.
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Post#137 » by Shaazzam » Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:08 pm

It wasn't a penalty though.
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Post#138 » by Baphomet » Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:13 pm

Here we go, Leicester have one back.
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Post#139 » by Baphomet » Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:16 pm

Baphomet wrote:Here we go, Leicester have one back.


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Post#140 » by UcanUwill » Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:16 pm

Baphomet wrote:Here we go, Leicester have one back.


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