Eurobasket 2022 (daily OP updates), day 11, all quarter finals teams known, Italy shocks Europe, eliminates Serbia

[Ruma85]

The coaching for greece is night / day compared to what it was.

[remi_222]

France won vs Italy just by 1pt in overtime, not a great game by France, tooooo many TO's ! Gotta find the rythm ! Frank being out, i'd say that the final roster will be :

PG : Heurtel, Maledon, Okobo
SG : Fournier, Cordinier
SF : Luwawu, Howard
PF : Yabusele, M'Baye
C : Gobert, Poirier, Jaiteh

[Jasen777]

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IS that guy who got shot @ 1:29 ok?

[lambchop]

Holy **** what a great game winner by Dragic.
Great comeback from Turkey to force overtime.

Great comeback from the refs, lol. The only reason why the game went to overtime, let's be real. But a great game nonetheless, felt like it was at the EuroBasket and not just a preparation game.

Turkey wanted to win at all costs. Korkmaz played 40 minutes in an exhibition game haha

[AdagioPace]

https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2022/news/fiba-eurobasket-2022-power-rankings-volume-1

The current FIBA power-rankings for Eurobasket, for those who are interested in such. At least it has a short description of each team :p

Gotta love how trashy Great Britain (olympic name instead of UK minus NI?) has always been at basketball

[CharityStripe34]

The coaching for greece is night / day compared to what it was.

Cannot be stressed enough. Itoudis is an excellent coach (a disciple of Obradovic) and Skourtopoulos was like your local YMCA rec league dad coach. Even with limited shooters, Greece's ball movement (both off and on) as well as defensive activity is lightyears ahead of what it was in 2019. With no Gianni, Sloukas or Papagiannis (3 of their 5 best rotation players) they only lost by 7 to Spain.

If only we had Diamantidis or Spanoulis in their primes to coincide with Freak.

[Zespetjest]

The coaching for greece is night / day compared to what it was.

Cannot be stressed enough. Itoudis is an excellent coach (a disciple of Obradovic) and Skourtopoulos was like your local YMCA rec league dad coach. Even with limited shooters, Greece's ball movement (both off and on) as well as defensive activity is lightyears ahead of what it was in 2019. With no Gianni, Sloukas or Papagiannis (3 of their 5 best rotation players) they only lost by 7 to Spain.

If only we had Diamantidis or Spanoulis in their primes to coincide with Freak.

Well, Itoudis was Zmago Sagadins' student 1st, it was back then when he started to make his name up. But yeah, one of the top 3 coaches in Europe for sure.

[Pachinko_]

Europe doesn't only have the best players in the world but also the best coaches. Might take another decade for NBA to get the memo, and then there will be an avalanche. Same thing that happened when teams were frantically looking for the next Dirk (and ended up with Dragan Bender).

[deb]

The coaching for greece is night / day compared to what it was.

Cannot be stressed enough. Itoudis is an excellent coach (a disciple of Obradovic) and Skourtopoulos was like your local YMCA rec league dad coach. Even with limited shooters, Greece's ball movement (both off and on) as well as defensive activity is lightyears ahead of what it was in 2019. With no Gianni, Sloukas or Papagiannis (3 of their 5 best rotation players) they only lost by 7 to Spain.

If only we had Diamantidis or Spanoulis in their primes to coincide with Freak.

Well, Itoudis was Zmago Sagadins' student 1st, it was back then when he started to make his name up. But yeah, one of the top 3 coaches in Europe for sure.

When and where were Itoudis and Sagadin even in contact?

Europe doesn't only have the best players in the world but also the best coaches. Might take another decade for NBA to get the memo, and then there will be an avalanche. Same thing that happened when teams were frantically looking for the next Dirk (and ended up with Dragan Bender).

Well good luck with European coaches successfully managing American stars... It's not all about X's and O's.

[UcanUwill]

Europe is more about coaching, NBA is more about managing. Managing personalities and all that, even tho saying that Euros couldn't manage NBA stars, to me is insulting not to Euro coaches, but NBA players and coaches, because it implies not only that NBA stars are entitled troublemakers, but that NBA coaches are more suckups than anything else. There is truth to that no doubt, but I have faith that NBA players nowadays accept coaching authorities more professionaly than that.

Euros need to coach more, because they dont have players like LeBron, Durant etc. It is no doubt NBA coach has it easier managing offense and defense, simply because they have far better players. But I dont think that proves that NBA coaches are worse, I mean college coaches need to coach far more than anyone in the NBA too, but are they better, I dont know about that.

Europe is coaches league(s), simply because no one player has insane impact, NBA superstar do have insane impact, that is why they are valued more than coaches. Guys like Steph, Luka, Jokic, Durant etc. will always have more impact than coaching. And I am not saying coaching in the NBA has no impact, but contrary to popular belief, most coaches in the NBA are competent, so at the end of the day they become a wash, it all comes down to the talent on the court. It is like F1 drivers, like sure, drivers do all the work, but they are all so good, that most of the time it just comes down to which car is faster.

[lambchop]

Europe doesn't only have the best players in the world but also the best coaches. Might take another decade for NBA to get the memo, and then there will be an avalanche. Same thing that happened when teams were frantically looking for the next Dirk (and ended up with Dragan Bender).

Well good luck with European coaches successfully managing American stars... It's not all about X's and O's.

This. You can't just bench prime LBJ or Morant midway through the 1st quarter for an entire game cause they missed a defensive coverage the same way you can in Europe. You also can't tell your 2nd best player that he's coming off the bench this game cause you feel that offensive spark could really help the team. Nor can you simply scream and shout at players and expect a positive reaction.

That does work in college basketball though.

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[CharityStripe34]

I suppose it would only take one successful Euroleague coach coming over to the NBA to potentially start a trend.

[Zespetjest]

Cannot be stressed enough. Itoudis is an excellent coach (a disciple of Obradovic) and Skourtopoulos was like your local YMCA rec league dad coach. Even with limited shooters, Greece's ball movement (both off and on) as well as defensive activity is lightyears ahead of what it was in 2019. With no Gianni, Sloukas or Papagiannis (3 of their 5 best rotation players) they only lost by 7 to Spain.

If only we had Diamantidis or Spanoulis in their primes to coincide with Freak.

Well, Itoudis was Zmago Sagadins' student 1st, it was back then when he started to make his name up. But yeah, one of the top 3 coaches in Europe for sure.

When and where were Itoudis and Sagadin even in contact?

Europe doesn't only have the best players in the world but also the best coaches. Might take another decade for NBA to get the memo, and then there will be an avalanche. Same thing that happened when teams were frantically looking for the next Dirk (and ended up with Dragan Bender).

Well good luck with European coaches successfully managing American stars... It's not all about X's and O's.

My bad, I stand corrected. I mixed him up with Neven Spahija

[Pachinko_]

Well good luck with European coaches successfully managing American stars... It's not all about X's and O's.

So don't manage American stars.
Let Lebron and KD have their puppet coaches and go to a team where the main guy is someone like Giannis, Jokic, Doncic. The rest of the team will fall in line.

NBA is a copycat league, it only takes one success for everybody else to get jealous

[wco81]

Well good luck with European coaches successfully managing American stars... It's not all about X's and O's.

So don't manage American stars.
Let Lebron and KD have their puppet coaches and go to a team where the main guy is someone like Giannis, Jokic, Doncic. The rest of the team will fall in line.

NBA is a copycat league, it only takes one success for everybody else to get jealous

Wasn't Blatt a very successful coach in Europe?

He inherited Lebron and got to the Finals but lasted under 2 seasons.

There are other Euro coaches, either assistants or some have had head coaching opportunities.

You're not winning in the NBA with scheme, it's talent.

And other than a couple of hiccups, US has won the Olympics whenever it really wanted to.

We'll see if things change, since now 3 of the top 5 or top 10 players are in the NBA now. They all lead very good teams but only one of them has broken through so far. But Giannis developed into the superstar that he is IN the NBA. So did Jokic to a large extent.

Luka was already a top 10 NBA player as a rookie but he's going to have to improve IN the NBA as well if he wants to achieve his goals.

[Wagonband]

Well good luck with European coaches successfully managing American stars... It's not all about X's and O's.

So don't manage American stars.
Let Lebron and KD have their puppet coaches and go to a team where the main guy is someone like Giannis, Jokic, Doncic. The rest of the team will fall in line.

NBA is a copycat league, it only takes one success for everybody else to get jealous

Wasn't Blatt a very successful coach in Europe?

He inherited Lebron and got to the Finals but lasted under 2 seasons.

There are other Euro coaches, either assistants or some have had head coaching opportunities.

You're not winning in the NBA with scheme, it's talent.

And other than a couple of hiccups, US has won the Olympics whenever it really wanted to.

We'll see if things change, since now 3 of the top 5 or top 10 players are in the NBA now. They all lead very good teams but only one of them has broken through so far. But Giannis developed into the superstar that he is IN the NBA. So did Jokic to a large extent.

Luka was already a top 10 NBA player as a rookie but he's going to have to improve IN the NBA as well if he wants to achieve his goals.

Well that's kinda his point. Blatt wasn't allowed to be anywhere near his potential because of the issues with LeBron. He was never truly accepted, and still made the finals. Who knows how his teams would play if they bought in 100% to his system. I'm not too familiar with the situation, but they probably weren't allowed to play as he wanted, with LeBron changing plays etc..

So we don't really have a good sample of how the best European coaches work. Kokoskov was also made to look pretty bad with the Suns, despite winning with Slovenia the Euros where Slovenia played atomic basketball. So who knows. But if the players made the breakthrough, coaches are bound to do so soon as well imho

[Sgt Major]

Serbia beat Montenegro, with reigning NBA and Euroleague MVP's being the best players.

[UcanUwill]

Serbia beat Montenegro, with reigning NBA and Euroleague MVP's being the best players.

Mirotic is EL MVP currently

[Swuul]

Nor can you simply scream and shout at players and expect a positive reaction.

I am not sure shouting at players is an european coaching style these days, in any sport. As far as I have seen, it seems to me shouting is more of a slavic and american style. The best head-coaches in Europe, no matter which sport, seem to have good people skills and able to delegate tasks to specialist coaches in the team. Just look at the time-out situations in basketball, icehockey, football, rugby, volleyball -> it is the assistant coaches talking about the tactics, drawing up the plans, and usually the head-coach just overwatch the situation.

[Sgt Major]

Serbia beat Montenegro, with reigning NBA and Euroleague MVP's being the best players.

Mirotic is EL MVP currently

Yeah, my bad, Vasa is the F4 MVP