There is something missing in the NBA.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Im an avid football fan and one of the biggest things i love about the sport is that the fans have an actual voice in regards to venting their frustration about the team.

Example of this is that there are a wide array of United fans who have created various podcasts and even gone around and interviewed fans after the game. United lost 4-0 today against a team in all honesty have no business losing to. But the Owner and how the team is run is rotten to the core. So you have fans basically outing the team-coaches-and ownership demanding change.

Take the New York Knicks for example...I think everyone is in agreement that Dolan is crap. Now think about die hard fans who's sick and tired of how the team is run taking it upon themselves to interview folks and asking them to voice their grievances with the team. im Might be far fetched and too much work but it'd be great fun in all honesty. And important as well. Might spark some change within the club.

Sorry knick fans i took your team as an example lol.

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Here's an example of a fan postgame.

[Duke4life831]

The NBA more than any other league I think is more star fan base than team fan base. Dont get me wrong I think it was a smart move to go this route when you had Bird vs Magic and then you had MJ. But I do think it leads to some inconsistency issues and I think all of that gets exaggerated in the social media era.

This is why I think the NBA has such a different national media coverage compared to every other league. I mean there is better and more analytical breakdown of weak 1 NFL preseason games on national media than we see for the NBA Finals. And its like that for a reason. ESPN and so on didnt just decide to cover the NBA like this for the hell of it. The more off the court/TMZ drama aspect of the game is what gets more views for the NBA. Its because I think the NBA has for so long pushed the stars over the league in its marketing that it has led to the majority of fans carrying more about the off court drama and stuff.

So ya I dont think we see as much die hard fans of teams in the NBA compared to other sports. So podcasts that are NBA based do better when they focus on off court drama instead of actual hard hitting on court/team centric stuff. Again Im a big time basketball fan (my high post count on here I think backs up that claim), Ive been more into the first week of NFL preseason than I was all of the NBA playoffs. One of the reasons is I do like the game better, but I think there is endless amounts of great high level NFL media to get me through the week.

[Letsgokings]

Yeah there is something missing. It's called a good exciting product. The nba today makes me want to Guage my eyes out and hurt innocent people.

[BK_2020]

I don't think the NBA is in any danger of running out of fans that complain about their teams' ownership and coaches.

[Lockdown504090]

Yeah there is something missing. It's called a good exciting product. The nba today makes me want to Guage my eyes out and hurt innocent people.

i would argue the nfl has the same issues as the nba in terms of the product rn.

receivers are flopping for PI and getting rewarded with all 40, 50 yard gains instead of 3 free throws, defense is neutered, you can only win if you have a handful of qbs or some great luck. the nfl's playstyle has become homogenous at the top. and on top of that, i have to watch guys get carted off on stretchers every quarter, or the players are getting shot up with animal tranquilizer so they can play at a subpar level. game is dumbed down so low iq qbs can prosper and made less physical so unskilled recievers can get catches.

then off the field, nepotism is letting ppl with no business having these jobs become lead coordinators and head coaches. Player conduct is abysmal with little repercussions, or the nfl being complicit in bad behavior. Teams get amazing talents, then fail to build around them and waste their careers. nfl wack in a lot of ways too.

[Tracymcgoaty]

I don't think the NBA is in any danger of running out of fans that complain about their teams' ownership and coaches.

I dont think fans are featured as much as Football though. If you look at fan bases like Arsenal their fan base actually voicing their frustration with the team has helped in putting pressure on the product their putting out on the field. I think teams like the Knicks hell even the Lakers would benefit a lot if fans were featured in voicing frustration with their own team. Post game interviews with fans who have been cheering their teams for decades and tired of how inept their owner is would probably help in putting pressure on the franchise they root for.

Might just be that the mentality of the NBA fans are a lot different than fans of Football. But i dont think it is to be honest. You have die hard fans in every sport who treat their teams like their religion fed up with how things are run.

[BostonCouchGM]

The NBA more than any other league I think is more star fan base than team fan base. Dont get me wrong I think it was a smart move to go this route when you had Bird vs Magic and then you had MJ. But I do think it leads to some inconsistency issues and I think all of that gets exaggerated in the social media era.

This is why I think the NBA has such a different national media coverage compared to every other league. I mean there is better and more analytical breakdown of weak 1 NFL preseason games on national media than we see for the NBA Finals. And its like that for a reason. ESPN and so on didnt just decide to cover the NBA like this for the hell of it. The more off the court/TMZ drama aspect of the game is what gets more views for the NBA. Its because I think the NBA has for so long pushed the stars over the league in its marketing that it has led to the majority of fans carrying more about the off court drama and stuff.

So ya I dont think we see as much die hard fans of teams in the NBA compared to other sports. So podcasts that are NBA based do better when they focus on off court drama instead of actual hard hitting on court/team centric stuff. Again Im a big time basketball fan (my high post count on here I think backs up that claim), Ive been more into the first week of NFL preseason than I was all of the NBA playoffs. One of the reasons is I do like the game better, but I think there is endless amounts of great high level NFL media to get me through the week.

this is why the NBA is declining though. Because they think social media clicks is more important than actual fans in the seats and ratings on television. They along with a huge portion of our society think social media is real life instead of the echo-chamber bubbles that they are. TV money keeps going up out of desperation not because it's a successful and compelling product. They HAVE to get this content because they've lost so many customers to streaming services.

[whatisacenter]

Yeah there is something missing. It's called a good exciting product. The nba today makes me want to Guage my eyes out and hurt innocent people.

Maybe watch fewer kings games?

[iLLmatic860]

Take the New York Knicks for example...I think everyone is in agreement that Dolan is crap. Now think about die hard fans who's sick and tired of how the team is run taking it upon themselves to interview folks and asking them to voice their grievances with the team. im Might be far fetched and too much work but it'd be great fun in all honesty. And important as well. Might spark some change within the club.

Sorry knick fans i took your team as an example lol.

I feel like your way off. The reason why Knicks fans have been able to become successful content creators is because of how the national media covers the team. They don't even give real analysis. They just use the Knicks as clicks and the fan base is tired of that, we will rather go to someone who covers the team fairly.

[UcanUwill]

You just can't compare US sports to British Football. These teams been around for 100+ years, you do not become a fan, you inherit it, being a fan is a part of your family and tradition in British football, in US, sports is just entertainment. Sure, people are
passionate about their NBA team, but its just not the same.

[UcanUwill]

Yeah there is something missing. It's called a good exciting product. The nba today makes me want to Guage my eyes out and hurt innocent people.

Maybe watch fewer kings games?

Out of all basketball I watch, NBA is by far the worst, it is something I endure and not enjoy, stoppage time has reach dystopian levels, monetization is absurd, Americans have no clue how bad their sports are.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Take the New York Knicks for example...I think everyone is in agreement that Dolan is crap. Now think about die hard fans who's sick and tired of how the team is run taking it upon themselves to interview folks and asking them to voice their grievances with the team. im Might be far fetched and too much work but it'd be great fun in all honesty. And important as well. Might spark some change within the club.

Sorry knick fans i took your team as an example lol.

I feel like your way off. The reason why Knicks fans have been able to become successful content creators is because of how the national media covers the team. They don't even give real analysis. They just use the Knicks as clicks and the fan base is tired of that, we will rather go to someone who covers the team fairly.

I dont really know what im off about it was more about the idea of having actual die hard fans going out to other fans and letting them air their grievances. Now if there are dishonest fans who just want the clicks thats another thing. My point is still that having that kind of dialogue could be important in changing the culture of a team. At least put pressure. Besides you'd get clicks regardless. Arsenal TV who has around 1.5M followers on youtube consist of a guy going around interviewing Arsenal fans after game. It blew up. I guess it's the podcasting part that gives air to dishonest creators. But it's not really about analysis though. It's not like interviewers go down to fans and then the fans start breaking the game down like a basketball genius. Problem usually starts at the top. Whether it be intentional tanking or just a crap owner in general.

https://www.youtube.com/c/AFTVmedia/about

Fans in the NBA doing the same thing would be immensely popular. You're getting real opinions while the emotions are still high.

[Tracymcgoaty]

You just can't compare US sports to British Football. These teams been around for 100+ years, you do not become a fan, you inherit it, being a fan is a part of your family and tradition in British football, in US, sports is just entertainment. Sure, people are
passionate about their NBA team, but its just not the same.

The city of New York looked like it was celebrating winning the Chip when they won against the Hawks lol. Sure it's not comparable but im sure the city of new york has plenty of die hard fans who's day goes to **** when they see their teams lose. American sports culture might not be comparable to Europe in terms of history but die hard fans exist regardless. My day goes to **** when Lakers lose. And im from Europe..Im sure fans living in LA have that same feeling.

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[MemphisX]

The NBA is the best it has ever been since I have been watching (since the 80s). Never in a time has there been a season where EVERY fanbase has some reason for optimism. There are literally no totally lost teams in the league with nothing to root for for the fans. Talent level is at an all time high also.

Difference is there are plenty of outlets for random people to complain and nitpick. There are 1000s of podcasts and YouTube channels with fans voicing their opinions. Heck, there are fans that have media credentials to have even more access.

Bro, we really watched one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history pull themselves out of the muck of injuries and win a title with one of the greatest players in NBA history going ham. I was on the wrong end of it as a fan and I still enjoyed it.

If you want to find stuff to complain about, there will always be something but for me, I am enjoying the NBA more than ever.

[RoyceDa59]

What’s missing in the nba is a meaningful regular season.

[hippesthippo]

I don't think the NBA is in any danger of running out of fans that complain about their teams' ownership and coaches.

I dont think fans are featured as much as Football though. If you look at fan bases like Arsenal their fan base actually voicing their frustration with the team has helped in putting pressure on the product their putting out on the field. I think teams like the Knicks hell even the Lakers would benefit a lot if fans were featured in voicing frustration with their own team. Post game interviews with fans who have been cheering their teams for decades and tired of how inept their owner is would probably help in putting pressure on the franchise they root for.

Might just be that the mentality of the NBA fans are a lot different than fans of Football. But i dont think it is to be honest. You have die hard fans in every sport who treat their teams like their religion fed up with how things are run.

It is definitely different. In Detroit, with our NFL Franchise the Lions we had the "Millen Man March," to oust former worst GM of all time Matt Millen. Constantly rip on the Ford family and beg them to sell it, etc., etc.

In the NBA, the team just completely fell apart after Chauncey left and remained an unwatchable joke for a decade. The fan's just shrugged.

Can't say I understand why.

[lambchop]

I don't think the NBA is in any danger of running out of fans that complain about their teams' ownership and coaches.

I dont think fans are featured as much as Football though. If you look at fan bases like Arsenal their fan base actually voicing their frustration with the team has helped in putting pressure on the product their putting out on the field. I think teams like the Knicks hell even the Lakers would benefit a lot if fans were featured in voicing frustration with their own team. Post game interviews with fans who have been cheering their teams for decades and tired of how inept their owner is would probably help in putting pressure on the franchise they root for.

Might just be that the mentality of the NBA fans are a lot different than fans of Football. But i dont think it is to be honest. You have die hard fans in every sport who treat their teams like their religion fed up with how things are run.

But at the same time basketball fans are also more connected to NBA players than ever before and more connected than any sports fans. Nowadays you can go to a random streetball court in a big city and play pick up ball with an NBA player. Some of these guys will even answer DMs on Instagram.

Add to that all the podcasts and general player based content floating around and you have an incredible player - fan connection.

But I agree that real team fans are somewhat irrelevant in terms of making themselves heard.

[Pachinko_]

Well look at people on this forum, everybody here calls basketball a "product". Like a toothpaste.
What do you do when you don't like a toothpaste in the supermarket? Do you start a podcast to complain to Colgate-Palmolive?
Nah, you just leave it on the shelf and buy the next product. Same with NBA fans, they go and watch something else.

Europeans don't think of football like just another product. It's different, it's something between sport and religion for a lot of people. Especially poorer people, it's always been one of their main sources of entertainment and excitement. NBA pretty much excludes poorer people anyway, it's too expensive.

[Letsgokings]

Yeah there is something missing. It's called a good exciting product. The nba today makes me want to Guage my eyes out and hurt innocent people.

i would argue the nfl has the same issues as the nba in terms of the product rn.

receivers are flopping for PI and getting rewarded with all 40, 50 yard gains instead of 3 free throws, defense is neutered, you can only win if you have a handful of qbs or some great luck. the nfl's playstyle has become homogenous at the top. and on top of that, i have to watch guys get carted off on stretchers every quarter, or the players are getting shot up with animal tranquilizer so they can play at a subpar level. game is dumbed down so low iq qbs can prosper and made less physical so unskilled recievers can get catches.

then off the field, nepotism is letting ppl with no business having these jobs become lead coordinators and head coaches. Player conduct is abysmal with little repercussions, or the nfl being complicit in bad behavior. Teams get amazing talents, then fail to build around them and waste their careers. nfl wack in a lot of ways too.

Naw nfl is actually half decent. It's not perfect but it kicks the living **** out of the nba

[gomavsgo]

Yeah there is something missing. It's called a good exciting product. The nba today makes me want to Guage my eyes out and hurt innocent people.

Maybe watch fewer kings games?

Out of all basketball I watch, NBA is by far the worst, it is something I endure and not enjoy, stoppage time has reach dystopian levels, monetization is absurd, Americans have no clue how bad their sports are.

Its probably different for Basketball, but soccerfootball has gotten way worse in terms of dystopian-ness because of the sportswashing completely warping the finances involved and the ethical implications of it.

Personally, I think aussies run their leagues pretty well but AFL and NRL fans constantly complain about how corrupt and incompetent their boards are. Both codes of Rugby are facing an existential crisis due to concussion concerns also.

Cricket is warping around franchise leagues.

Combat sports seem to wax and wane depending on the star power currently active.

Really, the closet thing to european club culture is the university system as alumni of even tiny d3 schools show up to support their school and classmates.

I have seen a lot of sports, administration seems to be a race of who's the least incompetent and all systems have their drawbacks.