Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3

[Reeko]

I like Franz a lot but thinking he’s in the same tier as Mobley, Scottie and Cade is insane.

I can’t believe what I’m reading.

You have to factor in upside.

I don't think he has the same upside as the rest, but if we're talking strictly rookie season, he was right there with the best of them.

[HumbleRen]

My definition of a superstar is kind of irrelevant. Here is the list of people who have averaged 50/40/90 for a season:

Larry Bird
Mark Price
Steve Nash
Kyrie Irving
Steph Curry
Reggie Miller
Dirk Nowitzki
Malcolm Brogdon

When you say he's going to be a "walking 50/40/90 guy" I take it that you mean he is going to average this in multiple seasons. Here is the list of players who have done it for more than one season:

Larry Bird (2x)
Steven Nash (4x)

That's it.

I feel like this is semantics no ? To me, KD is a 50/40/90 guy despite never averaging it.

Apologies, KD is also in the club. I missed his name when reading the list.

As for it being semantics... kind of. But how many guys even average 48/38/88 splits consistently? Those are elite numbers.

I'm just pointing this stuff out because I think it sets the bar way too high for Wagner. I totally agree with you that he should be in the same tier as Scottie, Mobley, Green, and Cade. 15/5/3 on 47/35/86 splits as a rookie is nothing to sneeze at.

I don't think it's out of reach for him. Kris Middleton is basically that once he came into his own and Franz is a significantly more talented prospect than him. (IMO) I see him playing that Middleton role for a playoff team. A strong #2 on a good team.

[WuTang_CMB]

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-raptors-show-with-will-lou/id1588453456?i=1000575707784

Thorp on again. Agrees with what i said. Still has a push shot.

[HangTime]

I'm kind of surprised the Raptors don't have their workout facility in LA. A lot of guys spend their summers there anyway.

You could have the same layout of the OVO Centre, and any of the guys can show up.

and if any new guys are joining the team in the offseason, it could give them a feeling of their new home, before actually going to OVO centre.

What would they do with that facility the rest of the year? It would be weird for MLSE to invest in an LA facility that only gets used in the offseason just because some players like to workout in LA.

They can rent it out to locals, businesses, have tournaments. Have Raptors stuff everywhere. And who knows, you might gain a, LA-born, Raptors fanbase.

Rent it out to the NCAA teams that are Visiting local schools. They can hold practices. NBA prospects that pass by there, and then come to Toronto for a workout, they might get that comfortable feel.

[will]

Scottish!

[C3SIUM]

Watch on YouTube

This was solid. Great break down, love the ending - talking about Scottie holding guys accountable in pick up games in August...

[billy_hoyle]

I feel like this is semantics no ? To me, KD is a 50/40/90 guy despite never averaging it.

Apologies, KD is also in the club. I missed his name when reading the list.

As for it being semantics... kind of. But how many guys even average 48/38/88 splits consistently? Those are elite numbers.

I'm just pointing this stuff out because I think it sets the bar way too high for Wagner. I totally agree with you that he should be in the same tier as Scottie, Mobley, Green, and Cade. 15/5/3 on 47/35/86 splits as a rookie is nothing to sneeze at.

I don't think it's out of reach for him. Kris Middleton is basically that once he came into his own and Franz is a significantly more talented prospect than him. (IMO) I see him playing that Middleton role for a playoff team. A strong #2 on a good team.

Franz was good enough in his rookie year that it shouldn't surprise anyone that he ends up best in class.

He had a fantastic rookie year. A handful of rookies played well and displayed truly elite skillsets. Who knows how things play out.

I remember VC vs Paul Pierce vs White Chocolate 25 yrs ago. Even though 2 of those 3 will be in the HOF, we know that none of those three ended up best in class. Not even all that close.

[Brettfinch]

This new looking form reminds me so much of Norm

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[Madhouse]

All of these top guys are very talented but objectively Scottie Barnes was probably the worst of all of them in college, so for him to jump everyone or at least even in his first pro year tells me about his potential and that it's going to be tough for anyone to match his work ethic and potential.

[Madhouse]

This new looking form reminds me so much of Norm

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It looks improved but there is a lot work to be done. He won't be another Giannis type shooter but at the same time there is no magic pill to become this elite shooter. I'm pretty happy if he knocks down his open 3s at a better rate and those are my expectations for year 2. I do hope the mid range becomes elite soon though.

[HiJiNX]

This new looking form reminds me so much of Norm

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He definitely has more of a one motion shot now. There are some things I don’t like, however. When he jumps his hips turn slightly to the left as he’s coming down. Little mechanical inefficiencies like that usually don’t have an impact while practicing but in game conditions, under pressure and fatigue, is when that slight hip turn might be hard to replicate, making the shot itself inconsistent. I also don’t like the wide base. Maybe that’s more comfortable for him, but I think it contributes to the hip turn. I’m a big believer in having the right leg (for righties) lined up with the rim. Some folks like to point their toes at the rim and some shoot with their feet slightly turned on an angle (like Lowry) but the leg corresponding to the shooting shoulder should be on the same vertical axis as this contributes to having a shot that always flies straight. Even in this video, about one third of his makes aren’t falling down the centre of the rim, they’re rattling in on the sides. While practicing, you want your makes to be swishes down the middle. He’ll get there though. He’s clearly in the early-intermediate stage of rebuilding his shot. You can see the emphasis on shooting the same way every time. He’ll figure it out.

Last thing, the release is much improved. His shooting hand doesn’t flare out to the right like it used to (except on that bad miss to the right in the vid).

[brownbobcat]

Scottie is going to be an elite scorer.

We're obviously all infatuated with his potential right now and I do think he can get there ... BUT it's definitely not a lock. Scottie's scoring almost exclusively right now on feel, touch, effort and physicality. Hard to imagine he can consistently score 25+ on only those things. Skill-wise, he has much work to do - but it's the kind of development that's very very doable. He's not exactly a fluid athlete, but I love that he leans into that on the timing of some of his push shots, really throws defenders off.

[Raps in 4]

This new looking form reminds me so much of Norm

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2023 3-point contest champion

[OhCanada1091]

This new looking form reminds me so much of Norm

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I mean Norm gets much more elevation and has an inverted stance. The pocket is similar though. Im not an expert but just a fan that used to play so what do I know.

[EFF3KT]

Scottie is Live on Twitch right now watching Rico Hines Runs replays

https://www.twitch.tv/yaboyscottie

[HiJiNX]

Scottie is going to be an elite scorer.

We're obviously all infatuated with his potential right now and I do think he can get there ... BUT it's definitely not a lock. Scottie's scoring almost exclusively right now on feel, touch, effort and physicality. Hard to imagine he can consistently score 25+ on only those things. Skill-wise, he has much work to do - but it's the kind of development that's very very doable. He's not exactly a fluid athlete, but I love that he leans into that on the timing of some of his push shots, really throws defenders off.

Haha what’s interesting is that what you listed are the reasons why I think he will have elite scoring ability (mind you, I don’t think he’s gonna have elite scoring volume but he will be able to takeover stretches of games when needed). He is scoring off his intelligence and physicality right now—imagine when he adds skill behind that in a few years. He’s gonna be unstoppable.

There are a lot of guys in the NBA who can dribble and shoot. Most of them aren’t elite scorers. That’s because they either lack the feel and/or the athleticism. The guys who are elite have both feel and athleticism to go with skills. Scottie being the worker that he is has a high probability of ending up there imo.

[OhCanada1091]

Scottie is Live on Twitch right now watching Rico Hines Runs replays

https://www.twitch.tv/yaboyscottie

Who did he say was his 3rd fav UFC fighter I missed it. Poirier, O'Malley and who?

[EFF3KT]

Scottie is Live on Twitch right now watching Rico Hines Runs replays

https://www.twitch.tv/yaboyscottie

Who did he say was his 3rd fav UFC fighter I missed it. Poirier, O'Malley and who?

Izzy and Nunes (Top 4)

[OhCanada1091]

Scottie is Live on Twitch right now watching Rico Hines Runs replays

https://www.twitch.tv/yaboyscottie

Who did he say was his 3rd fav UFC fighter I missed it. Poirier, O'Malley and who?

Izzy and Nunes (Top 4)

Casual.

[brownbobcat]

Scottie is going to be an elite scorer.

We're obviously all infatuated with his potential right now and I do think he can get there ... BUT it's definitely not a lock. Scottie's scoring almost exclusively right now on feel, touch, effort and physicality. Hard to imagine he can consistently score 25+ on only those things. Skill-wise, he has much work to do - but it's the kind of development that's very very doable. He's not exactly a fluid athlete, but I love that he leans into that on the timing of some of his push shots, really throws defenders off.

Haha what’s interesting is that what you listed are the reasons why I think he will have elite scoring ability (mind you, I don’t think he’s gonna have elite scoring volume but he will be able to takeover stretches of games when needed). He is scoring off his intelligence and physicality right now—imagine when he adds skill behind that in a few years. He’s gonna be unstoppable.

There are a lot of guys in the NBA who can dribble and shoot. Most of them aren’t elite scorers. That’s because they either lack the feel and/or the athleticism. The guys who are elite have both feel and athleticism to go with skills. Scottie being the worker that he is has a high probability of ending up there imo.

Kawhi has shown one path to being an elite volume scorer without a million moves in your bag. The big difference is that he has an elite jumper - it's a tall order to get there, even with a lot of work.