Welcome to Virtual Boston, Juhann Begarin!

[sam_I_am]

I hope the Celtics are handling Begarin very carefully. He has far more value than the Vonlehs and Caboclos of the world. If they don't give Juhann a roster spot, they need to find him a home in Europe where he will truly grow as a player. If possible, end him to a team with a coach like Obradović.

I would want him in Boston learning how to get better from Brown, Brogdon, Smart and White. I understand wanting to maximize his rookie window by waiting but I prefer he come to Boston and Maine now.

So learning from Brown, Brogdon, Smart and White while riding the bench the entire season at age 19, scoring 0 PPG on 0 MPG is better for his development than playing in a top European pro league where he can score double digits PPG in 20+ MPG?

I assume he’d be practicing with that elite talent nearly every day unless he was playing games in G league. So yeah….that would be better. Is there anybody he would face in Europe as talented on either side of the ball as Tatum and Brown? You get better by playing against the best. I point to Rozier, PP, Brown, RW as examples of talent that got better sitting on the Boston bench. I have yet to see a Boston draft stash have same result.

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I would want him in Boston learning how to get better from Brown, Brogdon, Smart and White. I understand wanting to maximize his rookie window by waiting but I prefer he come to Boston and Maine now.

So learning from Brown, Brogdon, Smart and White while riding the bench the entire season at age 19, scoring 0 PPG on 0 MPG is better for his development than playing in a top European pro league where he can score double digits PPG in 20+ MPG?

I assume he’d be practicing with that elite talent nearly every day unless he was playing games in G league. So yeah….that would be better. Is there anybody he would face in Europe as talented on either side of the ball as Tatum and Brown? You get better by playing against the best. I point to Rozier, PP, Brown, RW as examples of talent that got better sitting on the Boston bench. I have yet to see a Boston draft stash have same result.

During the course of the season, I don't think they do a ton of intense 5v5 scrimmaging like you seem to be implying. It's not like he's gonna have all these long, grueling practices going against tatum and brown. In-season practices I think focus more on preparing for whatever opponent is coming up next, breaking down film, keeping skills sharp with drills and practicing specific situations/plays that might come up vs the next opponent.

Not to mention that when they do scrimmage 5v5, it's typically your top 10 players who are the ones out there most of the time. That would not be Begarin. He'd be watching from the sidelines while Udoka and his staff focus on getting their top 10 guys into those scrimmages.

You learn by doing. Brown, Rozier, Rob, Grant, Pritchard. All those guys got better by playing in games, not sitting on the bench. Also, none of them were international players who come with the flexibility of being able to stash them overseas until they're ready to contribute. Those guys were also 1st round picks who are expected to come in and contribute right away, within their first year or 2 in the league and if they're not quite ready then the coaching staff is going to make developing them a top priority since it is more of an investment made in a 1st round pick - compared to someone drafted halfway through the 2nd round.

You've yet to see a Boston draft and stash have the same result? Why are you comparing someone (Begarin) who went 45th in the draft to a guy (jaylen brown) who was the no. 3 pick? Draft and stash guys are mid to late 2nd rounders, obviously the success rate is going to be lower than guys who are picked 3rd, 16th and 27th. Not to mention we've made way more 1st round picks in the past 10 years than we have picked draft and stash guys so obviously it's gonna seem like the draft and stash guys don't work out as often - because there's less of them...and they get draft way later. And 2 of them (Begarin, Madar) it's too soon to know whether they will work out or not..

[sam_I_am]

So learning from Brown, Brogdon, Smart and White while riding the bench the entire season at age 19, scoring 0 PPG on 0 MPG is better for his development than playing in a top European pro league where he can score double digits PPG in 20+ MPG?

I assume he’d be practicing with that elite talent nearly every day unless he was playing games in G league. So yeah….that would be better. Is there anybody he would face in Europe as talented on either side of the ball as Tatum and Brown? You get better by playing against the best. I point to Rozier, PP, Brown, RW as examples of talent that got better sitting on the Boston bench. I have yet to see a Boston draft stash have same result.

During the course of the season, I don't think they do a ton of intense 5v5 scrimmaging like you seem to be implying. It's not like he's gonna have all these long, grueling practices going against tatum and brown. In-season practices I think focus more on preparing for whatever opponent is coming up next, breaking down film, keeping skills sharp with drills and practicing specific situations/plays that might come up vs the next opponent.

Not to mention that when they do scrimmage 5v5, it's typically your top 10 players who are the ones out there most of the time. That would not be Begarin. He'd be watching from the sidelines while Udoka and his staff focus on getting their top 10 guys into those scrimmages.

You learn by doing. Brown, Rozier, Rob, Grant, Pritchard. All those guys got better by playing in games, not sitting on the bench. Also, none of them were international players who come with the flexibility of being able to stash them overseas until they're ready to contribute. Those guys were also 1st round picks who are expected to come in and contribute right away, within their first year or 2 in the league and if they're not quite ready then the coaching staff is going to make developing them a top priority since it is more of an investment made in a 1st round pick - compared to someone drafted halfway through the 2nd round.

You've yet to see a Boston draft and stash have the same result? Why are you comparing someone (Begarin) who went 45th in the draft to a guy (jaylen brown) who was the no. 3 pick? Draft and stash guys are mid to late 2nd rounders, obviously the success rate is going to be lower than guys who are picked 3rd, 16th and 27th. Not to mention we've made way more 1st round picks in the past 10 years than we have picked draft and stash guys so obviously it's gonna seem like the draft and stash guys don't work out as often - because there's less of them...and they get draft way later. And 2 of them (Begarin, Madar) it's too soon to know whether they will work out or not..

I think Begarin will get stashed so team can set clock back a year and then use MLE to sign him for 4 years. I think G league is no worse than overseas talent wise but is better prep for physicality of NBA. You ask me to compare some vague nameless Euro team I wouldn’t know anything about to a Celtics organization that has been doing a stellar job of preparing talented players for NBA? Okay. Celtics are better. JB likely makes more strides forward than Begarin if Begarin stays in Europe.

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I find it a bit strange that Begarin's name has not come up in all the recent discussion regarding the competition for the final roster spots. Nor has there been any discussion about the Celtics' view of his future. Has he returned to Europe? Will he remain with Paris, or are other signing options being explored? After his Summer League play I would have expected a little more enthusiasm from management, but they seem to be low keying it. Although I would love to see him get a roster part, I do realize it would be preferable to have him play another year in Europe, whether with Paris, or (hopefully) a better team. In the meantime, here is a nice, in depth article about Juhann...

https://www.clnsmedia.com/did-juhann-begarin-prove-ready-to-join-celtics-at-summer-league/

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I find it a bit strange that Begarin's name has not come up in all the recent discussion regarding the competition for the final roster spots. Nor has there been any discussion about the Celtics' view of his future. Has he returned to Europe? Will he remain with Paris, or are other signing options being explored? After his Summer League play I would have expected a little more enthusiasm from management, but they seem to be low keying it. Although I would love to see him get a roster part, I do realize it would be preferable to have him play another year in Europe, whether with Paris, or (hopefully) a better team. In the meantime, here is a nice, in depth article about Juhann...

https://www.clnsmedia.com/did-juhann-begarin-prove-ready-to-join-celtics-at-summer-league/

Brad has done a good job of not leaking anything out. Juhann should go back to Europe at a higher level league

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No surprise here. If we were a rebuilding team, he'd be on the roster and competing for rotation mins.

But c'mon now. We're 10 deep. If he was on the roster he'd be at best the 11th man, but more likely the 13th man (behind the older and better shooting Hauser and 3rd string big).

Makes more sense to keep him overseas where he can get WAY more mins, more shot attempts, more reps. He literally just turned 20. There's no rush bring him over now.

Maybe next year, depending on how his shot is coming along and how the rest of the roster is looking at that point.

Also, it looks like Paris Basketball just got a new head coach, Will Weaver was just hired last month. Looks like a solid resume:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Weaver_(basketball)

Paris Basketball has had a player get drafted by an NBA team 2 yrs in a row now. Begarin 2021 and center Ismael Kamagete in 2022. Begarin and Kamagate have been playing together for a few yrs now, have good chemistry.

It appears as though Kamagate is gonna be stashed by the team that drafted him (Nuggets) so he will likely return to Paris this season - so that'll be good for Begarin that he can play another year with Kamagate - since they have good chemistry, it'll mean Paris will have a more competitive team, it means begarin will get good experience playing alongside another NBA caliber player and playing with Kamagate for another year will help prepare him for the celtics since Kamagate plays fairly similar to Robert Williams.

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No surprise here. If we were a rebuilding team, he'd be on the roster and competing for rotation mins.

But c'mon now. We're 10 deep. If he was on the roster he'd be at best the 11th man, but more likely the 13th man (behind the older and better shooting Hauser and 3rd string big).

Makes more sense to keep him overseas where he can get WAY more mins, more shot attempts, more reps. He literally just turned 20. There's no rush bring him over now.

Maybe next year, depending on how his shot is coming along and how the rest of the roster is looking at that point.

Also, it looks like Paris Basketball just got a new head coach, Will Weaver was just hired last month. Looks like a solid resume:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Weaver_(basketball)

Paris Basketball has had a player get drafted by an NBA team 2 yrs in a row now. Begarin 2021 and center Ismael Kamagete in 2022. Begarin and Kamagate have been playing together for a few yrs now, have good chemistry.

It appears as though Kamagate is gonna be stashed by the team that drafted him (Nuggets) so he will likely return to Paris this season - so that'll be good for Begarin that he can play another year with Kamagate - since they have good chemistry, it'll mean Paris will have a more competitive team, it means begarin will get good experience playing alongside another NBA caliber player and playing with Kamagate for another year will help prepare him for the celtics since Kamagate splays fairly similar to Robert Williams.

The Only thing for Begarin is that, he probably wants to be released from the Celtics claims.
He likely will want to be free to pursue other Ventures; even other NBA Teams.

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No surprise here. If we were a rebuilding team, he'd be on the roster and competing for rotation mins.

But c'mon now. We're 10 deep. If he was on the roster he'd be at best the 11th man, but more likely the 13th man (behind the older and better shooting Hauser and 3rd string big).

Makes more sense to keep him overseas where he can get WAY more mins, more shot attempts, more reps. He literally just turned 20. There's no rush bring him over now.

Maybe next year, depending on how his shot is coming along and how the rest of the roster is looking at that point.

Also, it looks like Paris Basketball just got a new head coach, Will Weaver was just hired last month. Looks like a solid resume:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Weaver_(basketball)

Paris Basketball has had a player get drafted by an NBA team 2 yrs in a row now. Begarin 2021 and center Ismael Kamagete in 2022. Begarin and Kamagate have been playing together for a few yrs now, have good chemistry.

It appears as though Kamagate is gonna be stashed by the team that drafted him (Nuggets) so he will likely return to Paris this season - so that'll be good for Begarin that he can play another year with Kamagate - since they have good chemistry, it'll mean Paris will have a more competitive team, it means begarin will get good experience playing alongside another NBA caliber player and playing with Kamagate for another year will help prepare him for the celtics since Kamagate splays fairly similar to Robert Williams.

The Only thing for Begarin is that, he probably wants to be released from the Celtics claims.
He likely will want to be free to pursue other Ventures; even other NBA Teams.

What makes you think that?

Begarin literally just turned 20. He has plenty of time to come over to the NBA. There's no rush.

He was only a 2nd round pick - not a 1st rounder.

2 years ago he was in France's B division. Last year was only his first season in the A division. And he only shot like 30% from 3 last year. So he's likely not ready for the NBA yet anyways.

I mean, I can see if he was like 24 or 25 and was absolutely crushing it over there (and was playing in the EuroLeague). But even then, Vasilije Micic is 28, is arguably the best player in the EuroLeague and has being stashed overseas by the Thunder..

Unless rules changes are made, the players who are stashed overseas don't really have a leg to stand on - they're at the mercy of the NBA team who owns their rights..

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No surprise here. If we were a rebuilding team, he'd be on the roster and competing for rotation mins.

But c'mon now. We're 10 deep. If he was on the roster he'd be at best the 11th man, but more likely the 13th man (behind the older and better shooting Hauser and 3rd string big).

Makes more sense to keep him overseas where he can get WAY more mins, more shot attempts, more reps. He literally just turned 20. There's no rush bring him over now.

Maybe next year, depending on how his shot is coming along and how the rest of the roster is looking at that point.

Also, it looks like Paris Basketball just got a new head coach, Will Weaver was just hired last month. Looks like a solid resume:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Weaver_(basketball)

Paris Basketball has had a player get drafted by an NBA team 2 yrs in a row now. Begarin 2021 and center Ismael Kamagete in 2022. Begarin and Kamagate have been playing together for a few yrs now, have good chemistry.

It appears as though Kamagate is gonna be stashed by the team that drafted him (Nuggets) so he will likely return to Paris this season - so that'll be good for Begarin that he can play another year with Kamagate - since they have good chemistry, it'll mean Paris will have a more competitive team, it means begarin will get good experience playing alongside another NBA caliber player and playing with Kamagate for another year will help prepare him for the celtics since Kamagate splays fairly similar to Robert Williams.

The Only thing for Begarin is that, he probably wants to be released from the Celtics claims.
He likely will want to be free to pursue other Ventures; even other NBA Teams.

What makes you think that?

Begarin literally just turned 20. He has plenty of time to come over to the NBA. There's no rush.

He was only a 2nd round pick - not a 1st rounder.

2 years ago he was in France's B division. Last year was only his first season in the A division. And he only shot like 30% from 3 last year. So he's likely not ready for the NBA yet anyways.

I mean, I can see if he was like 24 or 25 and was absolutely crushing it over there (and was playing in the EuroLeague). But even then, Vasilije Micic is 28, is arguably the best player in the EuroLeague and has being stashed overseas by the Thunder..

Unless rules changes are made, the players who are stashed overseas don't really have a leg to stand on - they're at the mercy of the NBA team who owns their rights..

Brad: Hey Juhann, we really like you and think you have a bright future with the Celtics. I really mean that! Like, the way you came over the past two summers to play in the summer league instead of staying in Paris? That was awesome! You showed a lot of people -- me included! -- that you have a bright future in the league. And I mean that!

Here's the thing though: we are in the process of trying to win this thing called an NBA Championship? It's really important to our team right now. And -- don't get me wrong -- you'd be a very nice addition this year, but we're just super super focused on getting that ring. And heck, maybe after we get one or two we can think about bringing you over, you, know, when we're in rebuilding. You know, like Notre-Dame?

Juhann: Va te faire foutre!

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No surprise here. If we were a rebuilding team, he'd be on the roster and competing for rotation mins.

But c'mon now. We're 10 deep. If he was on the roster he'd be at best the 11th man, but more likely the 13th man (behind the older and better shooting Hauser and 3rd string big).

Makes more sense to keep him overseas where he can get WAY more mins, more shot attempts, more reps. He literally just turned 20. There's no rush bring him over now.

Maybe next year, depending on how his shot is coming along and how the rest of the roster is looking at that point.

Also, it looks like Paris Basketball just got a new head coach, Will Weaver was just hired last month. Looks like a solid resume:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Weaver_(basketball)

Paris Basketball has had a player get drafted by an NBA team 2 yrs in a row now. Begarin 2021 and center Ismael Kamagete in 2022. Begarin and Kamagate have been playing together for a few yrs now, have good chemistry.

It appears as though Kamagate is gonna be stashed by the team that drafted him (Nuggets) so he will likely return to Paris this season - so that'll be good for Begarin that he can play another year with Kamagate - since they have good chemistry, it'll mean Paris will have a more competitive team, it means begarin will get good experience playing alongside another NBA caliber player and playing with Kamagate for another year will help prepare him for the celtics since Kamagate splays fairly similar to Robert Williams.

The Only thing for Begarin is that, he probably wants to be released from the Celtics claims.
He likely will want to be free to pursue other Ventures; even other NBA Teams.

Nah man, this is an american point of view that you carry with you, and it's normal of course cuz you see this situation as an american (if you are, and sorry if you aren't, so i will be wrong in my statement).
The thing is that european prospects JUST want to go to NBA, so better having 1 foot than 0, better being known that being flashy in Europe and nobody notices you in the US (cf : Sylvain Francisco)
Now, we know that an average career in the NBA last 4yrs (!!!!!!), so trust me, those french prospect from now on will take the time, and wont make mistakes like other french players who came in the NBA before and didnt perform AT ALL (Doumbouya, Ajinca, Inglis, Mokoka, Beaubois or Yabusele). They just need to play basketball man ! then the rest will come !
And becoming older, they realize also that not playing in the NBA isnt the end of the world, and they still get to make a GREAT living in Europe playing the best team sport in the world, and they're happy and they don't care abt expectations of others on them because they are happy and they dont read realgm forums anymore trashing them

On top of that, he's signed under Comsport, the biggest foreign agency in the NBA, giving him advices, and most important, the communication btw Begarin and the Celtics during the season is constantly opened, so absolutely NO reason for Begarin to be released of that contract, he's in a PERFECT position with the C's

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it's official. Kamagate is returning to Paris Basketball. The Begarin and Kamagete pairing is back!

It will help both of them continue to develop as players since they can keep building on their chemistry. and they are at a similar place in their development too, both recent NBA draft picks going through this process together.

I'm Sure remi 222 is happy that Kamagate got picked by the nuggets

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No surprise here. If we were a rebuilding team, he'd be on the roster and competing for rotation mins.

But c'mon now. We're 10 deep. If he was on the roster he'd be at best the 11th man, but more likely the 13th man (behind the older and better shooting Hauser and 3rd string big).

Makes more sense to keep him overseas where he can get WAY more mins, more shot attempts, more reps. He literally just turned 20. There's no rush bring him over now.

Maybe next year, depending on how his shot is coming along and how the rest of the roster is looking at that point.

Also, it looks like Paris Basketball just got a new head coach, Will Weaver was just hired last month. Looks like a solid resume:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Weaver_(basketball)

Paris Basketball has had a player get drafted by an NBA team 2 yrs in a row now. Begarin 2021 and center Ismael Kamagete in 2022. Begarin and Kamagate have been playing together for a few yrs now, have good chemistry.

It appears as though Kamagate is gonna be stashed by the team that drafted him (Nuggets) so he will likely return to Paris this season - so that'll be good for Begarin that he can play another year with Kamagate - since they have good chemistry, it'll mean Paris will have a more competitive team, it means begarin will get good experience playing alongside another NBA caliber player and playing with Kamagate for another year will help prepare him for the celtics since Kamagate splays fairly similar to Robert Williams.

The Only thing for Begarin is that, he probably wants to be released from the Celtics claims.
He likely will want to be free to pursue other Ventures; even other NBA Teams.

Nah man, this is an american point of view that you carry with you, and it's normal of course cuz you see this situation as an american (if you are, and sorry if you aren't, so i will be wrong in my statement).
The thing is that european prospects JUST want to go to NBA, so better having 1 foot than 0, better being known that being flashy in Europe and nobody notices you in the US (cf : Sylvain Francisco)
Now, we know that an average career in the NBA last 4yrs (!!!!!!), so trust me, those french prospect from now on will take the time, and wont make mistakes like other french players who came in the NBA before and didnt perform AT ALL (Doumbouya, Ajinca, Inglis, Mokoka, Beaubois or Yabusele). They just need to play basketball man ! then the rest will come !
And becoming older, they realize also that not playing in the NBA isnt the end of the world, and they still get to make a GREAT living in Europe playing the best team sport in the world, and they're happy and they don't care abt expectations of others on them because they are happy and they dont read realgm forums anymore trashing them

On top of that, he's signed under Comsport, the biggest foreign agency in the NBA, giving him advices, and most important, the communication btw Begarin and the Celtics during the season is constantly opened, so absolutely NO reason for Begarin to be released of that contract, he's in a PERFECT position with the C's

He seems like he Wants to play. Begarin doesn't appear to desire to Stay off NBA Rosters?
The Celtics could keep him overseas indefinitely. IMO, Time is Ticking. NBA Players have a limited playing career.

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The Only thing for Begarin is that, he probably wants to be released from the Celtics claims.
He likely will want to be free to pursue other Ventures; even other NBA Teams.

Nah man, this is an american point of view that you carry with you, and it's normal of course cuz you see this situation as an american (if you are, and sorry if you aren't, so i will be wrong in my statement).
The thing is that european prospects JUST want to go to NBA, so better having 1 foot than 0, better being known that being flashy in Europe and nobody notices you in the US (cf : Sylvain Francisco)
Now, we know that an average career in the NBA last 4yrs (!!!!!!), so trust me, those french prospect from now on will take the time, and wont make mistakes like other french players who came in the NBA before and didnt perform AT ALL (Doumbouya, Ajinca, Inglis, Mokoka, Beaubois or Yabusele). They just need to play basketball man ! then the rest will come !
And becoming older, they realize also that not playing in the NBA isnt the end of the world, and they still get to make a GREAT living in Europe playing the best team sport in the world, and they're happy and they don't care abt expectations of others on them because they are happy and they dont read realgm forums anymore trashing them

On top of that, he's signed under Comsport, the biggest foreign agency in the NBA, giving him advices, and most important, the communication btw Begarin and the Celtics during the season is constantly opened, so absolutely NO reason for Begarin to be released of that contract, he's in a PERFECT position with the C's

He seems like he Wants to play. Begarin doesn't appear to desire to Stay off NBA Rosters?
The Celtics could keep him overseas indefinitely. IMO, Time is Ticking. NBA Players have a limited playing career.

Indefinitely? C'mon now, it's only been a year since he was drafted. I don't think he's in a big rush to get onto an NBA roster - he literally just turned 20. He has plenty of time.

And in the meantime, he still gets to play professionally overseas and make good money - possibly more $ than he'd make as an end of the bench NBA player:

https://basketnews.com/news-176287-do-euroleague-stars-earn-more-than-nba-benchwarmers.html

There's roughly 10-12 players currently being stashed overseas by NBA teams. Begarin is one of the youngest ones.

Rokas Jokubaitis (like Begarin) was a 2nd round pick in 2021. Rokas played last season in a better league than Begarin, Rokas is older than Begarin. Yet the Knicks don't have any minutes for him so he is being stashed overseas for another year. Is there any talk about Rokas wanting to be released by the Knicks (only a year after being drafted by them) ? Of course not.

We're a contender and will be a contender for the next 5+ years. Most contender NBA teams are made up of veterans and might occasionally have a younger player who's like 22 or 23 coming off the bench (like Herro, Cam Johnson, Poole, etc.) but very rare for a contender NBA team to have a player younger than 22 in the rotation.

Begarin just turned 20. There's no rush.

Lastly, remi 22 named a bunch of international players who came over to the NBA before the were ready and as a result, they failed. Players typically only get 1 shot to make it in the NBA. If they fail, that's it - they won't likely get another shot. So it's better for Begarin to wait until:

a) he's ready. His game is where it needs to be, his body is where it needs to be, he's mature enough, etc (NOT when he's coming off a season where his stats dropped across the board compared to the year before, including 3 pt % that went from 36% to only 31%)
b) the team that owns his draft nights is in a position where they can actually give him some rotation mins - or at least give him a legit opportunity to compete for rotation mins

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Nah man, this is an american point of view that you carry with you, and it's normal of course cuz you see this situation as an american (if you are, and sorry if you aren't, so i will be wrong in my statement).
The thing is that european prospects JUST want to go to NBA, so better having 1 foot than 0, better being known that being flashy in Europe and nobody notices you in the US (cf : Sylvain Francisco)
Now, we know that an average career in the NBA last 4yrs (!!!!!!), so trust me, those french prospect from now on will take the time, and wont make mistakes like other french players who came in the NBA before and didnt perform AT ALL (Doumbouya, Ajinca, Inglis, Mokoka, Beaubois or Yabusele). They just need to play basketball man ! then the rest will come !
And becoming older, they realize also that not playing in the NBA isnt the end of the world, and they still get to make a GREAT living in Europe playing the best team sport in the world, and they're happy and they don't care abt expectations of others on them because they are happy and they dont read realgm forums anymore trashing them

On top of that, he's signed under Comsport, the biggest foreign agency in the NBA, giving him advices, and most important, the communication btw Begarin and the Celtics during the season is constantly opened, so absolutely NO reason for Begarin to be released of that contract, he's in a PERFECT position with the C's

He seems like he Wants to play. Begarin doesn't appear to desire to Stay off NBA Rosters?
The Celtics could keep him overseas indefinitely. IMO, Time is Ticking. NBA Players have a limited playing career.

Indefinitely? C'mon now, it's only been a year since he was drafted. I don't think he's in a big rush to get onto an NBA roster - he literally just turned 20. He has plenty of time.

And in the meantime, he still gets to play professionally overseas and make good money - possibly more $ than he'd make as an end of the bench NBA player:

https://basketnews.com/news-176287-do-euroleague-stars-earn-more-than-nba-benchwarmers.html

There's roughly 10-12 players currently being stashed overseas by NBA teams. Begarin is one of the youngest ones.

Rokas Jokubaitis (like Begarin) was a 2nd round pick in 2021. Rokas played last season in a better league than Begarin, Rokas is older than Begarin. Yet the Knicks don't have any minutes for him so he is being stashed overseas for another year. Is there any talk about Rokas wanting to be released by the Knicks (only a year after being drafted by them) ? Of course not.

We're a contender and will be a contender for the next 5+ years. Most contender NBA teams are made up of veterans and might occasionally have a younger player who's like 22 or 23 coming off the bench (like Herro, Cam Johnson, Poole, etc.) but very rare for a contender NBA team to have a player younger than 22 in the rotation.

Begarin just turned 20. There's no rush.

Lastly, remi 22 named a bunch of international players who came over to the NBA before the were ready and as a result, they failed. Players typically only get 1 shot to make it in the NBA. If they fail, that's it - they won't likely get another shot. So it's better for Begarin to wait until:

a) he's ready. His game is where it needs to be, his body is where it needs to be, he's mature enough, etc (NOT when he's coming off a season where his stats dropped across the board compared to the year before, including 3 pt % that went from 36% to only 31%)
b) the team that owns his draft nights is in a position where they can actually give him some rotation mins - or at least give him a legit opportunity to compete for rotation mins

You're missing the point.
Begarin can come over on another (non-playoff) NBA team, and be in a much better playing position.

It doesn't matter how old he is. We all know that he wants to be in the NBA, now. Per his request last year.
It's not in his best interest to keep delaying his NBA Start. If he wanted to do that, then why did he Enter the Draft?

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He seems like he Wants to play. Begarin doesn't appear to desire to Stay off NBA Rosters?
The Celtics could keep him overseas indefinitely. IMO, Time is Ticking. NBA Players have a limited playing career.

Indefinitely? C'mon now, it's only been a year since he was drafted. I don't think he's in a big rush to get onto an NBA roster - he literally just turned 20. He has plenty of time.

And in the meantime, he still gets to play professionally overseas and make good money - possibly more $ than he'd make as an end of the bench NBA player:

https://basketnews.com/news-176287-do-euroleague-stars-earn-more-than-nba-benchwarmers.html

There's roughly 10-12 players currently being stashed overseas by NBA teams. Begarin is one of the youngest ones.

Rokas Jokubaitis (like Begarin) was a 2nd round pick in 2021. Rokas played last season in a better league than Begarin, Rokas is older than Begarin. Yet the Knicks don't have any minutes for him so he is being stashed overseas for another year. Is there any talk about Rokas wanting to be released by the Knicks (only a year after being drafted by them) ? Of course not.

We're a contender and will be a contender for the next 5+ years. Most contender NBA teams are made up of veterans and might occasionally have a younger player who's like 22 or 23 coming off the bench (like Herro, Cam Johnson, Poole, etc.) but very rare for a contender NBA team to have a player younger than 22 in the rotation.

Begarin just turned 20. There's no rush.

Lastly, remi 22 named a bunch of international players who came over to the NBA before the were ready and as a result, they failed. Players typically only get 1 shot to make it in the NBA. If they fail, that's it - they won't likely get another shot. So it's better for Begarin to wait until:

a) he's ready. His game is where it needs to be, his body is where it needs to be, he's mature enough, etc (NOT when he's coming off a season where his stats dropped across the board compared to the year before, including 3 pt % that went from 36% to only 31%)
b) the team that owns his draft nights is in a position where they can actually give him some rotation mins - or at least give him a legit opportunity to compete for rotation mins

You're missing the point.
Begarin can come over on another (non-playoff) NBA team, and be in a much better playing position.

It doesn't matter how old he is. We all know that he wants to be in the NBA, now. Per his request last year.
It's not in his best interest to keep delaying his NBA Start. If he wanted to do that, then why did he Enter the Draft?

it doesn't matter what he wants. the Celtics own his draft rights. He joins the team when the celtics want him to.

Over the years there's been tons of draft and stash players. NBA teams never relinquish the rights to any of them. It just doesn't work that way.

They either trade their rights (like what happened a couple yrs ago with Vasilije Micic when his rights were traded from PHI to OKC in the Horford deal) or the NBA team signs the player and lets them try to earn some rotation mins - from there, the player either makes it in the league (like Jokic did, like Ginobili did, etc.) or if they can't make it then they go back overseas and play there (like Yabusele, like Georgios Papagiannis and many others).

Begarin's request last year, was to be able to play in summer league. That's it. We granted that request. He played in summer league. He was good but nothing special. And we had J-Rich, Nesmith and Langford so no mins for a 19 yr old 2nd round pick.

So Begarin went back overseas for the 2021-2022 season and his numbers dropped across the board, despite playing more mins. Most notably was the drop in 3 pt%, from 36% to 31% which is not going to cut it for an NBA wing player (especially with the longer away 3 pt line in NBA...that poor 3 pt % he had this season was the closer 3 pt line in europe).

Begarin came back to summer league this summer. He played very well. But shot just 33% from 3 during summer league, so still not very good. And this year is different - the celtics are the favorites to win the title (compared to last yr when we were a 7 seed that got bounced in the 1st round) so now even tougher for a 20 yr old rookie to get mins.

Maybe next year for Begarin. In the meantime, I'll be following his progress and rooting for him to play well overseas!

I don't know if it's ever happened where an NBA team relinquished the rights to one of their draft and stash players. If it's happened, it's vert rare and would only happen if they player turns out to be god-awful, so the NBA team sees no point in continuing to hang on to their draft rights if there's clearly no possibility of them ever playing in the NBA.

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Begarin is better at 20 y/o than Jaylen was at 20 y/o. I'd be pissed if I was him. It sucks for Begarin that he's clearly more talented than a hundred guys currently in the league but because he was drafted by a competitive team he has to accept being stashed. At some point Begarin has to have some leverage no? Teams can't control these players in perpetuity right? I can't find the rules surrounding draft and stashes so if anybody knows them please educate me.

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Nice game today for Juhann. 16 pts and 15 rebounds. Must be preseason or a scrimmage or something..

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Nice game today for Juhann. 16 pts and 15 rebounds. Must be preseason or a scrimmage or something..

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Yes it's their second preseason game. Cholet is a team from the top french division like Gravelines and Blois the two other opponents Paris will face so it's decent opposition. They'll also play Alba Berlin and Maccabi Tel Aviv back to back during the week-end of the 10th/11th.

Their first game was against Santa Clara at the end of August with an easy win 122-88 (76-37 in the first half). Good reminder of the difference between pro ball and college. Begarin was pretty dominant apparently for what it's worth (not much considering the blow out).

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Nice game today for Juhann. 16 pts and 15 rebounds. Must be preseason or a scrimmage or something..

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Yes it's their second preseason game. Cholet is a team from the top french division like Gravelines and Blois the two other opponents Paris will face so it's decent opposition. They'll also play Alba Berlin and Maccabi Tel Aviv back to back during the week-end of the 10th/11th.

Their first game was against Santa Clara at the end of August with an easy win 122-88 (76-37 in the first half). Good reminder of the difference between pro ball and college. Begarin was pretty dominant apparently for what it's worth (not much considering the blow out).

He could easily be a sophomore or young jr in college right now so if he was dominant at that level (idk if he would be consistently with a college team around him). That would be darn solid for a guy in the second round with his athleticism.