Options to fix the PF hole

Global Game · Post #1281 » by **Global Game** » Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:47 pm

I'd like to see EJ Onu get one of those two way contracts. Shot blocking and 3 point shooting.

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step · Post #1282 » by **step** » Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:58 pm

4 point range. Say what?

BullChit · Post #1283 » by **BullChit** » Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:32 pm

This thread is still a thing aye...

GoBlue72391 · Post #1284 » by **GoBlue72391** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:30 am

BullChit wrote:This thread is still a thing aye...

Well, we still haven't addressed the PF spot. I honestly can't believe we're running it back with the exact same PF rotation that we had last year. Mind boggling.

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BullChit · Post #1285 » by **BullChit** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:02 am

GoBlue72391 wrote:
BullChit wrote:This thread is still a thing aye...
Well, we still haven't addressed the PF spot. I honestly can't believe we're running it back with the exact same PF rotation that we had last year. Mind boggling.

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Seeing as Billy and management don't see it as a hole but part of their strategy when not injured I'd say that this thread is pure fan fiction at this point.

PJSteven22 · Post #1286 » by **PJSteven22** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:22 am

BullChit wrote:
GoBlue72391 wrote:
BullChit wrote:This thread is still a thing aye...
Well, we still haven't addressed the PF spot. I honestly can't believe we're running it back with the exact same PF rotation that we had last year. Mind boggling.

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Seeing as Billy and management don't see it as a hole but part of their strategy when not injured I'd say that this thread is pure fan fiction at this point.

Just because you ignore something. Doesn’t mean it disappears ie the lack of rim protection and shooting.

PrimzyBulls81 · Post #1287 » by **PrimzyBulls81** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:45 am

Global Game wrote:I'd like to see EJ Onu get one of those two way contracts. Shot blocking and 3 point shooting.

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4point range, wth!? :roll:

BullChit · Post #1288 » by **BullChit** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:33 am

PJSteven22 wrote:
BullChit wrote:
GoBlue72391 wrote:Well, we still haven't addressed the PF spot. I honestly can't believe we're running it back with the exact same PF rotation that we had last year. Mind boggling.

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Seeing as Billy and management don't see it as a hole but part of their strategy when not injured I'd say that this thread is pure fan fiction at this point.

Just because you ignore something. Doesn’t mean it disappears ie the lack of rim protection and shooting.

Lol I'm not ignoring anything... I tend to agree..

I think at this point us as a fanbase need to realise that not even Billy and AKME at this point are ignoring anything... In fact I think they pretty clearly right now don't see the PF position as an issue at all.

Will it work out for them probably not but until they decide that it's an issue throwing out trade ideas for traditional pfs and size seems redundant to me.

SfBull · Post #1289 » by **SfBull** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:18 pm

Why can't we start PW for a whole season ?
It seems like this is AK's choice.I think it's fair to give Pat a chance for showing if he can play consistently well.

PJSteven22 · Post #1290 » by **PJSteven22** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:53 pm

BullChit wrote:
PJSteven22 wrote:
BullChit wrote:
Seeing as Billy and management don't see it as a hole but part of their strategy when not injured I'd say that this thread is pure fan fiction at this point.

Just because you ignore something. Doesn’t mean it disappears ie the lack of rim protection and shooting.

Lol I'm not ignoring anything... I tend to agree..

I think at this point us as a fanbase need to realise that not even Billy and AKME at this point are ignoring anything... In fact I think they pretty clearly right now don't see the PF position as an issue at all.

Will it work out for them probably not but until they decide that it's an issue throwing out trade ideas for traditional pfs and size seems redundant to me.

I disagree respectfully disagree. Unless Pat makes a jump. This team has the same issues as last year and yes it that includes the PF position but you can think that champ. We do need bigger versatile forwards. Sounds like ignoring to me. Ultimately I think it comes down to bad ownership.

PJSteven22 · Post #1291 » by **PJSteven22** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:15 pm

SfBull wrote:Why can't we start PW for a whole season ?
It seems like this is AK's choice.I think it's fair to give Pat a chance for showing if he can play consistently well.

Nobody’s saying that but I do think that having a good backup would create some healthy competition.

FriedRise · Post #1292 » by **FriedRise** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:31 pm

Looking at this roster, who is Pat's backup at PF?

DeMar? DJJ? Terry? Javonte?

All of these guys are obviously undersized but can be slotted in the 2-4 positions.

Either way, I really hope it's not Lonzo or Caruso. Those two are such great on-ball defenders that sticking them at the 4 (which is usually off-ball) just neutralizes their impact while you have much worse defenders guarding the primary ball handler. It's a double whammy.

BullChit · Post #1293 » by **BullChit** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:31 pm

PJSteven22 wrote:
BullChit wrote:
PJSteven22 wrote:Just because you ignore something. Doesn’t mean it disappears ie the lack of rim protection and shooting.

Lol I'm not ignoring anything... I tend to agree..

I think at this point us as a fanbase need to realise that not even Billy and AKME at this point are ignoring anything... In fact I think they pretty clearly right now don't see the PF position as an issue at all.

Will it work out for them probably not but until they decide that it's an issue throwing out trade ideas for traditional pfs and size seems redundant to me.

I disagree respectfully disagree. Unless Pat makes a jump. This team has the same issues as last year and yes it that includes the PF position but you can think that champ. We do need bigger versatile forwards. Sounds like ignoring to me. Ultimately I think it comes down to bad ownership.

You are totally missing my point...

And to be fair my point means about as much as this thread does at this point so I'm just going to leave it where it is.

PJSteven22 · Post #1294 » by **PJSteven22** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:47 pm

BullChit wrote:
PJSteven22 wrote:
BullChit wrote:
Lol I'm not ignoring anything... I tend to agree..

I think at this point us as a fanbase need to realise that not even Billy and AKME at this point are ignoring anything... In fact I think they pretty clearly right now don't see the PF position as an issue at all.

Will it work out for them probably not but until they decide that it's an issue throwing out trade ideas for traditional pfs and size seems redundant to me.

I disagree respectfully disagree. Unless Pat makes a jump. This team has the same issues as last year and yes it that includes the PF position but you can think that champ. We do need bigger versatile forwards. Sounds like ignoring to me. Ultimately I think it comes down to bad ownership.

You are totally missing my point...

And to be fair my point means about as much as this thread does at this point so I'm just going to leave it where it is.

No I I’ve got it loud and clear. You think it’s pointless to talk about it because you AKME don’t see it as an issue. I think they see the issue but are constrained by ownership. There’s a reason that they were interested in Gallo. Imo we do versatile forwards traditional PF are largely dinosaurs now. Ultimately I think it stems from a larger issue which is ownership.

sco · Post #1295 » by **sco** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:59 pm

FriedRise wrote:Looking at this roster, who is Pat's backup at PF?

DeMar? DJJ? Terry? Javonte?

All of these guys are obviously undersized but can be slotted in the 2-4 positions.

Either way, I really hope it's not Lonzo or Caruso. Those two are such great on-ball defenders that sticking them at the 4 (which is usually off-ball) just neutralizes their impact while you have much worse defenders guarding the primary ball handler. It's a double whammy.

I would have been happy if we somehow ended up with Gallo, but the FO pivoted pretty well to resign DJJ, who I think is a decent backup PF (and that he was misused by Bill as a backup C too much last season) for a cost much lower than I thought he'd get elsewhere...not to mention adding Dragic and Drummond combining for a little more than Gallo got.

SfBull · Post #1296 » by **SfBull** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:36 pm

PJSteven22 wrote:
SfBull wrote:Why can't we start PW for a whole season ?
It seems like this is AK's choice.I think it's fair to give Pat a chance for showing if he can play consistently well.

Nobody’s saying that but I do think that having a good backup would create some healthy competition.

Sounds like a good plan.

SfBull · Post #1297 » by **SfBull** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:41 pm

GoBlue72391 wrote:
BullChit wrote:This thread is still a thing aye...

Well, we still haven't addressed the PF spot. I honestly can't believe we're running it back with the exact same PF rotation that we had last year. Mind boggling.

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Green isn't a good backup for PF.But we have DJJ ( if he can stay healthy)to give Pat a lot of competition .

sco · Post #1298 » by **sco** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:44 pm

SfBull wrote:
GoBlue72391 wrote:
BullChit wrote:This thread is still a thing aye...
Well, we still haven't addressed the PF spot. I honestly can't believe we're running it back with the exact same PF rotation that we had last year. Mind boggling.

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Green isn't a good backup for PF.But we have DJJ ( if he can stay healthy)to give Pat a lot of competition .

The same rotation that included missing a starter for 80% of the season and a backup that was injured almost half of the season? Same = not the same.

Post #1299 » by **dougthonus** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:57 pm

PJSteven22 wrote:
BullChit wrote:
GoBlue72391 wrote:Well, we still haven't addressed the PF spot. I honestly can't believe we're running it back with the exact same PF rotation that we had last year. Mind boggling.

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Seeing as Billy and management don't see it as a hole but part of their strategy when not injured I'd say that this thread is pure fan fiction at this point.

Just because you ignore something. Doesn’t mean it disappears ie the lack of rim protection and shooting.

You aren't likely to address either of these things with a PF. The Bulls should theoretically have excellent shooting, but the results didn't match the theory because Lonzo and Pat missed most of the season and Vuc/Caruso dropped from 40% three point shooters to 31%/33% respectively.

We definitely don't have any rim protection, and we probably will never have rim protection as long as Vuc is a mainstay here, because it's almost impossible to have good rim protection if your center isn't doing it. Instead we'll hope to defend strong on the perimeter to make it matter less (somewhat effective prior to Lonzo going out), but not ideal even if you were decent at it (which will always be a struggle with Zach/DeMar in the lineup).

SfBull · Post #1300 » by **SfBull** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:48 pm

sco wrote:
SfBull wrote:
GoBlue72391 wrote:
Well, we still haven't addressed the PF spot. I honestly can't believe we're running it back with the exact same PF rotation that we had last year. Mind boggling.

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Green isn't a good backup for PF.But we have DJJ ( if he can stay healthy)to give Pat a lot of competition .

The same rotation that included missing a starter for 80% of the season and a backup that was injured almost half of the season? Same = not the same.

If Pat and DJJ can't stay healthy next season it'd be time to think about replacing them.DJJ was extended and Pat is under his first contract so I understand that we're talking about adding a cheap vet like Dragic was for backing up the point and doing it would unlikely change much our current roster.A much better idea would be trading Vuc for a better and younger center but I know it'll be unlikely as the Bulls are rumored in talks for extending him.Our problem isn't on the PF but in starting a weak defender at center.We'll have to wait if signing Drummond will improve our frontcourt.