Rudy Gobert = HOFer?

durantbird · Post #1 » by **durantbird** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:17 pm

If Gobert retires today, is he hall of fame worthy?

falcolombardi · Post #2 » by **falcolombardi** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:20 pm

Godymas · Post #3 » by **Godymas** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:29 pm

Yes even with today’s accolades 3x DPOY is HoF but he will finish with a few more All Star and All Defense to pad things up

RCM88x · Post #4 » by **RCM88x** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:31 pm

I certainly think he is, you know there will be mobs who will argue to the end of the earth the shouldn't be though.

Post #5 » by **tsherkin** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:33 pm

Pretty easily, I'd think.

Ron Swanson · Post #6 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:10 pm

I don't even see how this is a serious question. Of course he is. 3x DPOTY and 4x All-NBA is a lock, and it has nothing to do with the relatively "weak" standards of the Basketball HoF.

Dutchball97 · Post #7 » by **Dutchball97** » Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:22 pm

Ben Wallace, Dikembe Mutombo and Alonzo Mourning are all in the HoF with similar accolades to Gobert.

JordansBulls · Post #8 » by **JordansBulls** » Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:48 am

Penny Hardaway isn't even in yet nor Shawn Kemp nor Chauncey Billups.

Jaivl · Post #9 » by **Jaivl** » Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:57 am

JordansBulls wrote:Penny Hardaway isn't even in yet nor Shawn Kemp nor Chauncey Billups.

Gobert has had a vastly better career than Penny and Kemp - what's the problem?

euroleague · Post #10 » by **euroleague** » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:29 am

Jaivl wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:Penny Hardaway isn't even in yet nor Shawn Kemp nor Chauncey Billups.

Gobert has had a vastly better career than Penny and Kemp - what's the problem?

Eh, I don't think so. Those were top 5 players in the league. Penny was 3rd in MVP, with multiple all-nba 1sts.

Gobert has had a vastly longer career. Not a vastly better one.

70sFan · Post #11 » by **70sFan** » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:33 am

euroleague wrote:
Jaivl wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:Penny Hardaway isn't even in yet nor Shawn Kemp nor Chauncey Billups.

Gobert has had a vastly better career than Penny and Kemp - what's the problem?

Eh, I don't think so. Those were top 5 players in the league. Penny was 3rd in MVP, with multiple all-nba 1sts.

Gobert has had a vastly longer career. Not a vastly better one.

Kemp was never close to top 5 in the league. I'm not sure he ever reached top 10 to be honest.

Jaivl · Post #12 » by **Jaivl** » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:28 am

70sFan wrote:
euroleague wrote:
Jaivl wrote:Gobert has had a vastly better career than Penny and Kemp - what's the problem?

Eh, I don't think so. Those were top 5 players in the league. Penny was 3rd in MVP, with multiple all-nba 1sts.

Gobert has had a vastly longer career. Not a vastly better one.

Kemp was never close to top 5 in the league. I'm not sure he ever reached top 10 to be honest.

Yeah, Penny sure, he was a superstar until he got injured, but Kemp? Gobert has peaked better by any conceivable measure, even accolade-wise.

Dr Positivity · Post #13 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:02 pm

Yes based on those DPOYs. He has banked more good years than I thought as he was effective from his 2nd year on.

Dooley · Post #14 » by **Dooley** » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:53 pm

Rudy Gobert is world-historically underrated at this point

HeartBreakKid · Post #15 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:02 pm

euroleague wrote:
Jaivl wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:Penny Hardaway isn't even in yet nor Shawn Kemp nor Chauncey Billups.

Gobert has had a vastly better career than Penny and Kemp - what's the problem?

Eh, I don't think so. Those were top 5 players in the league. Penny was 3rd in MVP, with multiple all-nba 1sts.

Gobert has had a vastly longer career. Not a vastly better one.

Kemp is a top 5 player if you remove Michael Jordan, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquile O'Neal, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Alonzo Mourning, Charles Barkley, Grant Hill, Scottie Pippen and Penny Hardaway himself. (can think of a couple more players tbh)

frica · Post #16 » by **frica** » Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:20 pm

euroleague wrote:
Jaivl wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:Penny Hardaway isn't even in yet nor Shawn Kemp nor Chauncey Billups.

Gobert has had a vastly better career than Penny and Kemp - what's the problem?

Eh, I don't think so. Those were top 5 players in the league. Penny was 3rd in MVP, with multiple all-nba 1sts.

Gobert has had a vastly longer career. Not a vastly better one.

Gobert deserved top 3 in 21.

homecourtloss · Post #17 » by **homecourtloss** » Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:24 pm

70sFan wrote:
euroleague wrote:
Jaivl wrote:Gobert has had a vastly better career than Penny and Kemp - what's the problem?

Eh, I don't think so. Those were top 5 players in the league. Penny was 3rd in MVP, with multiple all-nba 1sts.

Gobert has had a vastly longer career. Not a vastly better one.

Kemp was never close to top 5 in the league. I'm not sure he ever reached top 10 to be honest.

Yup, Kemp was borderline top 10 at best and that, too, for just a short time.

euroleague · Post #18 » by **euroleague** » Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:25 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:
euroleague wrote:
Jaivl wrote:Gobert has had a vastly better career than Penny and Kemp - what's the problem?

Eh, I don't think so. Those were top 5 players in the league. Penny was 3rd in MVP, with multiple all-nba 1sts.

Gobert has had a vastly longer career. Not a vastly better one.

Kemp is a top 5 player if you remove Michael Jordan, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquile O'Neal, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Alonzo Mourning, Charles Barkley, Grant Hill, Scottie Pippen and Penny Hardaway himself. (can think of a couple more players tbh)

In 1996? Ewing, Hakeem, Mourning? Barkley? I don't think so. Kemp went h2h vs Hakeem in the playoffs, and outplayed him pretty decisively. Not sure there's a case there. Grant Hill finished lower in all-nba voting, but that's a closer one.

MJ, Malone, DRob, Shaq were indisputably better. The others are not clear-cut, except for those clearly worse than the others (Ewing, Mourning, Barkley, Hill)

70sFan · Post #19 » by **70sFan** » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:02 pm

euroleague wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
euroleague wrote:
Eh, I don't think so. Those were top 5 players in the league. Penny was 3rd in MVP, with multiple all-nba 1sts.

Gobert has had a vastly longer career. Not a vastly better one.

Kemp is a top 5 player if you remove Michael Jordan, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquile O'Neal, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Alonzo Mourning, Charles Barkley, Grant Hill, Scottie Pippen and Penny Hardaway himself. (can think of a couple more players tbh)

In 1996? Ewing, Hakeem, Mourning? Barkley? I don't think so. Kemp went h2h vs Hakeem in the playoffs, and outplayed him pretty decisively. Not sure there's a case there. Grant Hill finished lower in all-nba voting, but that's a closer one.

MJ, Malone, DRob, Shaq were indisputably better. The others are not clear-cut, except for those clearly worse than the others (Ewing, Mourning, Barkley, Hill)

Yeah, Barkley, Ewing and Hakeem were clearly better than Kemp in 1996. Kemp played on extremely stacked team that went to the finals, otherwise you would never say that he was better.

euroleague · Post #20 » by **euroleague** » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:16 pm

70sFan wrote:
euroleague wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:

Kemp is a top 5 player if you remove Michael Jordan, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquile O'Neal, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Alonzo Mourning, Charles Barkley, Grant Hill, Scottie Pippen and Penny Hardaway himself. (can think of a couple more players tbh)

In 1996? Ewing, Hakeem, Mourning? Barkley? I don't think so. Kemp went h2h vs Hakeem in the playoffs, and outplayed him pretty decisively. Not sure there's a case there. Grant Hill finished lower in all-nba voting, but that's a closer one.

MJ, Malone, DRob, Shaq were indisputably better. The others are not clear-cut, except for those clearly worse than the others (Ewing, Mourning, Barkley, Hill)

Yeah, Barkley, Ewing and Hakeem were clearly better than Kemp in 1996. Kemp played on extremely stacked team that went to the finals, otherwise you would never say that he was better.

Hakeem was on a stacked team as well. Defending champions. Just got annihalated by the Sonics.

Knicks/Suns weren't stacked?

These are all super-talented teams.