Summer Runs and Random Player Sightings

[WuTang_CMB]

Flynn was doomed to fail with us, his skill set is something we couldn’t develop properly due to how we play.

Not to say it’s all on the raptors program, Flynn himself is also at blame because his 3 point shot has been miserable.

We drafted him. Has nothing to do with how we play and everything to do with Flynn not making the most of his minutes out there.

I know but his biggest strenght coming out of the College was pick and roll, he was the best player in his draft at it.

Raptors are bottom 5 in attempts of running pick and roll and also didn't have any competent big man during Flynn's tenue with us.

But like I said, he controls his own destiny in terms of his 3 point shot, he's only got himself to blame for that.

I agree. It's on Nurse too. The opportunity Precious got last season vs Flynn is night and day. I thought Nurse managed the team beautifully last season but the only thing I'd say he didnt do well was over playing Fred too much in 2nd half (team should have let him rest more) and not giving Flynn a real shot. IMO he should have gotten a longer leash to start the year. He was passed on early for Banton. I think they give him a real shot this coming season

[HiJiNX]

Flynn was doomed to fail with us, his skill set is something we couldn’t develop properly due to how we play.

Not to say it’s all on the raptors program, Flynn himself is also at blame because his 3 point shot has been miserable.

I agree with this take. I think Flynn needs more freedom to run pnr and play through the poor decisions because he’s quite good when he does the right thing. He’s a guy who needs the ball in his hands on a team where he doesn’t get that chance unless other guys are hurt. He also does need to learn from his many mistakes, not get stuck in no mans land on drives and to take better perimeter shots.

It may not happen with us but I think he’s an NBA player.

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Fun Malachi is back looking like White Chocolate with his And1 moves.

Barnes is a freaking monster.

I would have killed to go see this.

Trade Scottie, build the team around Malachi.

[Asif16]

Nurse needs to actually give Flynn some run. Can't take him out after 3 min of play because he made a defensive mistake. Nurse is stubborn when it comes to having short leashes.

Consistent minutes is the key to confidence.

[mademan]

We drafted him. Has nothing to do with how we play and everything to do with Flynn not making the most of his minutes out there.

I know but his biggest strenght coming out of the College was pick and roll, he was the best player in his draft at it.

Raptors are bottom 5 in attempts of running pick and roll and also didn't have any competent big man during Flynn's tenue with us.

But like I said, he controls his own destiny in terms of his 3 point shot, he's only got himself to blame for that.

I agree. It's on Nurse too. The opportunity Precious got last season vs Flynn is night and day. I thought Nurse managed the team beautifully last season but the only thing I'd say he didnt do well was over playing Fred too much in 2nd half (team should have let him rest more) and not giving Flynn a real shot. IMO he should have gotten a longer leash to start the year. He was passed on early for Banton. I think they give him a real shot this coming season

Precious is 6'9 long and athletic. He has a larger margin for error because his physicality will always make an impact even if he's missing shots or making poor decisions. Flynn doesnt have that luxury. And im tired of people blaming Nurse; it's been 2 seasons now that Flynn hasnt been able to shoot at even an average level. This is on Flynn; time to chit or get off the pot cause the Raps have other guards who Flynn doesnt really outclass (Banton, RHJ, Harris, Champagne)

[DreamTeam09]

You guys making excuses for Flynn makes no sense. Hes got plenty of run, and has done nothing with it. Bantons little run to start the season has been more memorable than Flynn's entire time here.

Wish him the best, hopefully his jumper sticks and he looks to be aggressive in an NBA format

[HiJiNX]

You guys making excuses for Flynn makes no sense. Hes got plenty of run, and has done nothing with it. Bantons little run to start the season has been more memorable than Flynn's entire time here.

Wish him the best, hopefully his jumper sticks and he looks to be aggressive in an NBA format

Different guys need different things to succeed. That’s why we can’t sent GTJ to the bench for instance—because he’s awful when he doesn’t start. Now I’m not suggesting Flynn needs to start but one thing that’s been consistent in Flynn’s career is that he’s awful in small minute windows, tending to turn the ball over and take poor shots, but when he gets extended run because he’s filling in he usually plays much better.

It’s hard for most people in any situation to develop confidence when being micromanaged. I can’t speak for anyone else’s opinion, but I’d at least like to see Flynn get a chance with a longer leash before I write him off. Why? Because he’s flashes have been quite good—good enough to warrant some intrigue.

[aminiaturebuddha]

I think Flynn might get the first crack at the backup PG spot over Dalano at the beginning of the season (when theoretically Nurse might play a deeper rotation), but yeah, it's entirely up to him. He cannot be as inefficient as he's been if he hopes to keep getting minutes.

Also, his on-ball one-on-one defence on the perimeter has actually been pretty good in his career, but his team defence has suffered from lapses in the past. He also needs to work on that, and become more comfortable with switches and rotations.

So basically those two things need to improve - shooting efficiency and team defence. If he does that, he might actually be a useful player off the bench, and solve an additional problem by reducing Fred's minutes. I'm rooting for him.

[DG88]

I think Flynn needs to come in as a scorer off the bench and less of a facilitator. He's got the ball handling be just needs to be aggressive with his offense. We need shooting and if he can knock down shots he'll be in the rotation.

[Ackshun]

Nurse needs to actually give Flynn some run. Can't take him out after 3 min of play because he made a defensive mistake. Nurse is stubborn when it comes to having short leashes.

Consistent minutes is the key to confidence.

Very clever there!

[HumbleRen]

You guys making excuses for Flynn makes no sense. Hes got plenty of run, and has done nothing with it. Bantons little run to start the season has been more memorable than Flynn's entire time here.

Wish him the best, hopefully his jumper sticks and he looks to be aggressive in an NBA format

I don't think anyone is making excuses for him, just stating what the situation is.

There's a reason why 50% of first round players wash out of the league in their first 2-3 years. They simply don't have the luxury of teams catering to their strengths unless they're a top 5.

You either find your niche or get washed out of the league, hopefully Flynn finds his niche that he can excel at.

[Los_29]

We drafted him. Has nothing to do with how we play and everything to do with Flynn not making the most of his minutes out there.

I know but his biggest strenght coming out of the College was pick and roll, he was the best player in his draft at it.

Raptors are bottom 5 in attempts of running pick and roll and also didn't have any competent big man during Flynn's tenue with us.

But like I said, he controls his own destiny in terms of his 3 point shot, he's only got himself to blame for that.

I agree. It's on Nurse too. The opportunity Precious got last season vs Flynn is night and day. I thought Nurse managed the team beautifully last season but the only thing I'd say he didnt do well was over playing Fred too much in 2nd half (team should have let him rest more) and not giving Flynn a real shot. IMO he should have gotten a longer leash to start the year. He was passed on early for Banton. I think they give him a real shot this coming season

I think the difference is Precious was always defending at a high level and he was a reasonable shooter from three which only got better as the season went along. Flynn’s TS% was in the low 40’s for most of the year.

I agree though, I think we’ll see Flynn play a bit more of a role. I’m not giving up on him. I think there is something there. Just needs to gain confidence.

[HumbleRen]

I know but his biggest strenght coming out of the College was pick and roll, he was the best player in his draft at it.

Raptors are bottom 5 in attempts of running pick and roll and also didn't have any competent big man during Flynn's tenue with us.

But like I said, he controls his own destiny in terms of his 3 point shot, he's only got himself to blame for that.

I agree. It's on Nurse too. The opportunity Precious got last season vs Flynn is night and day. I thought Nurse managed the team beautifully last season but the only thing I'd say he didnt do well was over playing Fred too much in 2nd half (team should have let him rest more) and not giving Flynn a real shot. IMO he should have gotten a longer leash to start the year. He was passed on early for Banton. I think they give him a real shot this coming season

I think the difference is Precious was always defending at a high level and he was a reasonable shooter from three which only got better as the season went along. Flynn’s TS% was in the low 40’s for most of the year.

I agree though, I think we’ll see Flynn play a bit more of a role. I’m not giving up on him. I think there is something there. Just needs to gain confidence.

Agreed, it's not really comparable. Precious is already one of the best defenders on the team while Flynn isn't. Nurse doesn't have the luxury to let him play it out if he isn't contributing on either end of the court in his limited minutes if he wants to maximize the team's wins.

It may be a "developmental year" for the front office but Nurse's job is to win basketball games first, development second during a game.

[WuTang_CMB]

I know but his biggest strenght coming out of the College was pick and roll, he was the best player in his draft at it.

Raptors are bottom 5 in attempts of running pick and roll and also didn't have any competent big man during Flynn's tenue with us.

But like I said, he controls his own destiny in terms of his 3 point shot, he's only got himself to blame for that.

I agree. It's on Nurse too. The opportunity Precious got last season vs Flynn is night and day. I thought Nurse managed the team beautifully last season but the only thing I'd say he didnt do well was over playing Fred too much in 2nd half (team should have let him rest more) and not giving Flynn a real shot. IMO he should have gotten a longer leash to start the year. He was passed on early for Banton. I think they give him a real shot this coming season

Precious is 6'9 long and athletic. He has a larger margin for error because his physicality will always make an impact even if he's missing shots or making poor decisions. Flynn doesnt have that luxury. And im tired of people blaming Nurse; it's been 2 seasons now that Flynn hasnt been able to shoot at even an average level. This is on Flynn; time to chit or get off the pot cause the Raps have other guards who Flynn doesnt really outclass (Banton, RHJ, Harris, Champagne)

Flynn never got a real shot last season, and definitely didn't get a leash like Precious did. That's just fact. Precious made his share of mistakes. Flynn didn't get that. There's nothing really to debate there, that's what happened.

Flynn just needs to hit open shots next season and keep it simple. He'll be in the rotation if he consistently does that. And look what happend when Flynn started those few games when FVV was injured, he was great.. unfortunately he got injured. Nurse just needs to work with him to give him a shot - it goes both ways. Precious got 25 min a night last season and had a rough first half. Flynn just needs 10-15 a night. It's his third year now, u gotta give him a chance. If he still cant hit open shots and play our style, then you move on from him but the kid needs a chance.

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[vulture]

Every player in the league looks great in summer runs. Flynn has gotten plenty of opportunities and when he can consistently make open shots he will get more mins. The team desperately needed a backup for Fred and he couldn’t even fulfill that.

Every fanbase gets excited about their players in the summer. Wizards fans think rui achimura can be an all star because they saw his summer workouts lmao.

[mademan]

I agree. It's on Nurse too. The opportunity Precious got last season vs Flynn is night and day. I thought Nurse managed the team beautifully last season but the only thing I'd say he didnt do well was over playing Fred too much in 2nd half (team should have let him rest more) and not giving Flynn a real shot. IMO he should have gotten a longer leash to start the year. He was passed on early for Banton. I think they give him a real shot this coming season

Precious is 6'9 long and athletic. He has a larger margin for error because his physicality will always make an impact even if he's missing shots or making poor decisions. Flynn doesnt have that luxury. And im tired of people blaming Nurse; it's been 2 seasons now that Flynn hasnt been able to shoot at even an average level. This is on Flynn; time to chit or get off the pot cause the Raps have other guards who Flynn doesnt really outclass (Banton, RHJ, Harris, Champagne)

Flynn never got a real shot last season, and definitely didn't get a leash like Precious did. That's just fact. Precious made his share of mistakes. Flynn didn't get that. There's nothing really to debate there, that's what happened.

Flynn just needs to hit open shots next season and keep it simple. He'll be in the rotation if he consistently does that. And look what happend when Flynn started those few games when FVV was injured, he was great.. unfortunately he got injured. Nurse just needs to work with him to give him a shot - it goes both ways. Precious got 25 min a night last season and had a rough first half. Flynn just needs 10-15 a night. It's his third year now, u gotta give him a chance. If he still cant hit open shots and play our style, then you move on from him but the kid needs a chance.

Flynn is a late 1st round pick and, at this point, a fringe NBA player. These guys dont get long leashes. What they are supposed to do is make the most out of any opportunity, and Flynn just hasnt. Like i said, Raps have multiple prospect guards that are also currently fringe NBA players. Flynn doesnt deserve a longer leash than any of them. This is a competitive sport; Flynn isnt gonna get a long look because of guys like Banton/RHJ/Harris/Champagne all wanting to take his minutes. Chit or get off the pot

[filsor]

To me, play Flynn at the 2 is making a lot of sense, minus the height issue. He is a better scorer then pg. If his shooting is on, play him at the 2 with Scottie or Pascall at the 1 off the bench.

[oldncreaky]

You guys making excuses for Flynn makes no sense. Hes got plenty of run, and has done nothing with it. Bantons little run to start the season has been more memorable than Flynn's entire time here.

Wish him the best, hopefully his jumper sticks and he looks to be aggressive in an NBA format

Different guys need different things to succeed. That’s why we can’t sent GTJ to the bench for instance—because he’s awful when he doesn’t start. Now I’m not suggesting Flynn needs to start but one thing that’s been consistent in Flynn’s career is that he’s awful in small minute windows, tending to turn the ball over and take poor shots, but when he gets extended run because he’s filling in he usually plays much better.

It’s hard for most people in any situation to develop confidence when being micromanaged. I can’t speak for anyone else’s opinion, but I’d at least like to see Flynn get a chance with a longer leash before I write him off. Why? Because he’s flashes have been quite good—good enough to warrant some intrigue.

Flynn's career splits show an interesting pattern:
When he starts, he's good: looks good enough to be in the rotation, but not good enough to start on a winning team
When he comes off the bench, he's bad: looks like a marginal GLeaguer who should be cut

I've seen countless point guards (especially small ones) that have the problem of needing regular minutes to play well. Some of them fix it -- but usually after a few years in the league -- but I can never tell which ones will figure it out, and which ones won't.

Critical year for Flynn -- I think this is the last year where Toronto will have room on the roster for him if he doesn't figure out how to contribute in short stints

[gojoorange]

Nurse needs to actually give Flynn some run. Can't take him out after 3 min of play because he made a defensive mistake. Nurse is stubborn when it comes to having short leashes.

Consistent minutes is the key to confidence.

Nurse has repeatedly said it comes down to shot making with Malachi and not the defense. He has shot 32% and 33% from 3 in his two seasons. He gives up so much size he needs to make teams pay with his scoring. Hopefully he turns it around this year.